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Well if I wasn't happy in a job I'd leave, why let it ruin your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
There's other jobs out there, plus he's not short of a bob or two, he's happy enough with the situation or he'd not have signed a new contract and would have left.
It's not about planning for 4th, it's settling for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
If you don't invest in quality and make the necessary changes and instead opt to stick with players who haven't performed because better ones would cost money, you're settling.
Plus if you factor in all the comments about 4th place over the years it's clear he values it a lot, it's like a major trophy to him. Maybe someone would create a cardboard cutout trophy for 4th place so we can place it in our trophy cabinet.
Wrong, this year it's about being grateful and relieved to get 4th. Expectations are way down, performances are way up. Maybe we were all a bit spoiled and expected too much. I say let's just be done with this - kill the board members and move on, let bygones be biplanes.Quote:
It's not about planning for 4th, it's settling for it.
Are you that Naive to believe that crap that comes out of the media. Just because he says he is happy with 4th ot does not mean he means it. If he said next week that We will win the league this season what would you say to that, would you say he is ambitious or is off his head?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I do get what your saying tbf, but i think he gets about winning things and wants to but also wants to do things his way. if anything he is more stubborn then not ambitious.
It's not just the media though, it's years of the same thing 4th place....at some point a manager desperate to win decides he needs to change something...Wenger didn't until he was literally forced to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie the Rednose Reindeer
He's just not proactive enough which kinda shows winning isn't the be all and end all for him, now sure you see him rant and rave on the sidelines but 10 minutes later he's back with excuses....doesn't wash for me, in his head he's decided 4th is a great achievement and that whilst winning would be good if we don't that's life.
Like i said he's stubbon thats the problem, though he is learning to put the team 1st. don't see a point in looking backwards, what happend has happend.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Its what he does now that should count.
why would being unhappy about part of your job ruin your life? that's why you weigh up what you do like against what you don't and make your decision. which is just as likely for wenger each time he renews a contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
everything isn't black or white. you can still work at a job where some elements aren't favourable but overall you feel its worth staying on.
I'm a bit pissed off at work because the cold water dispenser near my desk is on the blink. It has been like that for a while even though it has been brought to facilities management's' attention. Everything else about the working environment is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Should I resign?
If you work for a cold water dispenser manufacturer yes, you'll be out of a job soon enough with those faulty dispensers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Of course not! I assume, as with most businesses, you as the employee have full control. You should order your boss to replace the dispenser and probably have a coffee machine put in while you are at it. Then I'd strongly consider sacking him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
He's a football manager, supposedly a top one, success is the marker for top managers and anyone who cares about success will not be happy unless they win. If the board aren't willing to give you the opportunity theyn I think you'd probably leave unless money was your motivation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
People are saying he wants to win, if he wants to so badly why is he happy to stick around and pick up 4th place every season? You can make all the excuses but having a chance of success for a manager at a top club isn't a small part of the job, it should be the aim.
I might just do that because a barista would cost way too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
there is still job satisfaction if you can't achieve your ultimate aim. thats why so many players and managers continue to ply their trade at a lower level, despite never coming close to achieving success, even on a lower league scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
you seem to live in a very do or die type world, which doesn't seem to leave much room for enjoyment of anything else bar complete success.
This thread is proof that Wenger could go to the highest mountain and say "I don't actually have any money to spend" and people would then twist that around to suggest that this is still down to the manager and no one else. QQ
Why would he go to Everest to do that?
They make good windows, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Someone shoot this man... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters to Santa
Your jokes are transparent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters to Santa
You could have framed that better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters to Niall Quinn
He prefers a safe style of comedy rather than a cutting edge one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
You think they were Ryanair windows? :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Far from it, I'm afraid. Wenger is talking about a policy that has been around since he first started here. He introduced the 30 plus contract rule from when we were at Highbury. So, this isn't something that has just been introduced because of the Emirates project. I'd agree with you if things weren't like this before the move away from Highbury but his philopsphy hasn't changed in recent years. Also, what he's talking about doesn't relate to our financial position. These are his thoughts. He believes that player wages shouldn't always be on the increase especially when a players performance drops when they reach a certain age. As said, he came to Arsenal with theses ideas and it's not born out of circumstance.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
What he says makes sense. Why should a player expect a pay increase when his performance on the pitch is likely to drop. But I wish this sort of thinking was applied to some our youth players. Why are they earning so much when they can't even perform at the required standard?
So Wenger saying: "we sold them around the age of 29 and 30. Why? Because we needed the money and for them to not go for free." In PnG mind = "doesn't relate to our financial position. These are his thoughts."Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Yep.
what i think wenger is saying is that they could not afford to lose assets for free, not necessarily because the money was needed to just survive. he mentions 'we survived at the top in selling our good players' which i think means that despite selling we've maintained a healthy position in the league, rather than we survived by selling our best players. which makes a lot of sense given our capacity at highbury etc.
what the bigger picture seems to indicate is that in order to continue to grow, we needed to ensure we got a return from valuable players rather than lose them for nothing. the alternative would've meant we'd survive just fine if we got nothing for them but our rate of growth would've slowed down.
So you think we're a club that's really struggling to pay the bills? Do you really think it's that bad and we're desperate for cash? We could have sold Vieira, Henry and Cesc for way more than what we originally sold them for. Why didn't we? Worth reading what Wenger actually said because their are numerous statements from the club saying the opposite of your suggesting and you still ignore it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist