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Originally Posted by LDG
No football expert would only use 5 games. That's just reaching.
Cripps, if you don't think 2 defeats when we put out a reserve side and 1 when we were away at the champions elect don't somewhat skew the figures then fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.
Other than Striker, GK and CB's we lack quality all over - and that's just the first team. Look at the bench and cry at how shit we are.
Exactly. Recent form (last 5) has been mid table pub team stuff. Go back another 5 making it 10 and its the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
We went down this route with the summer dealings. Arteta replacing Fabregas tends to have that effect. Of course the quality's gone down, but the balance is intended to shift from that area. If we didn't have retards on the flanks I am quite sure we'd be really happy about the new found solidity and direct approach. For all Arteta's limitations, I can't see how you can't see he hasn't provided this. Proof is in the pudding since he arrived.
Between Sagna, Jenko, Gibbs, Santos, Diaby, vermaelen and Wilshere we will have 7 new signings in the next couple of months.
How many games would you use then to assess form? Id say 10 is fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
How many times have we heard managers say "lets see where we are 10 games in to the season and take it from there" at the start of a season?
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Originally Posted by Flavs
Wenger :bow:
But with some of them not being in the league, that can't count. Mid-table doesn't apply to CC or CL....do it based on league form :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Why wouldnt they? Arsenal played those games if im not mistaken regardless of what team we put out. Had we won those games with the reserves, you'd be using that as a reason to say we are in good form so whats the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I think pretty much never. But anyway, I do think 10 games is reasonable. As form changes over time it's difficult to say which number to use actually. Arguably fewer is a better indication of current form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Anyway, the point is 2 of those games we lost when our reserves played. I'm not sure that says anything about the form of the first choice players and both times we won the following game when those players returned. Another loss was City away. As you well know City have not dropped a single point at home in 9 league games. Losing there is not an indication of poor form and, again, we won the next game.
Stats need some analysis and interpretation, they don't just stand on their own.
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Originally Posted by Letters
If I did do that then people would be completely reasonable in picking me up on it, as I'm doing with you when you do the reverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
last 10 league games
w6 d2 l2
That's pretty reasonable, give we played the Champions elect away from home and put in a solid performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
I'm not happy about the Fulham one, or the draw against Wolves.
But from the last 10 games (based on what experts would base league form on), I would say that is not too bad. Could do a little better.
Am I right in saying that City have lost two within that period too??
In the last ten games that is....
Because only experts would use the last 10 games as a barometer or course.
in the past 10 games we're the 4th best team in terms of form.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
so like you say, room for improvement of course but the team is in the right place to achieve the minimum target for the season.
Pretty much standard for the level we are at now. We arent a bad team. Not by any means. We arent a top one either and the form and stats suggest that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Il ask you the same question i asked Letters thenQuote:
Originally Posted by LDG
How many games would you use to determine form?
only tottenham (3) and united (5) have won more points in that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
It's the same stats as City in their last 10 league games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
And they beat us during that period...
def not mid table as you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
our form is spot on for where we are in the league and have a steadier ship than chelsea and liverpool atm.
They've drawn two too. So all football experts agree that our league form, based on the internationally recognised standard number of games for assessing form, is the same as City's who are top of the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
In brief: Us :bow:
Flanking retards :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
I don't use games. I just look at how we're playing. And the last few, we've been poor, in need of an injection of something. Hopefully we'll get that after a break, and hopefully with a couple of additions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
I think it's down to tiredness, injuries at fullback and poor form from the bench.
So to go back to the OP. No, our midfield isn't shit. We lack a striker and some fullbacks.
You dont see the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You think we are in awesome form hence we shouldnt "moan" or "critisise" Wenger. Youre more than happy with that form
Ask any City fan if they are happy and they'd say no.
What is shit for them is good for us. Thats how far we have fallen
Oh yes, but if you can play dumb then I can too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Im not the one WUMming....Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Who's playing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
some pretty high level trolling going on here today
world class some might say
You can only judge the level of trolling over the last 10 posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Cripps :rose:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
The pudding is playing shit too, though that was a great pass to RvP vs QPR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
And Walcott - he should have chipped the keeper in the QPR game rather than fluffing the shot. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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Originally Posted by LDG
We have a class midfield.
Arteta hasnt managed to change or even influence any game to any sort of extent we need. A good player, that works hard, even puts in a shift and has some sort of technical ability. But with all due respect there are better CMs who do exactly what he does and more. He hasnt managed to take control and is getting only older, so hes not gona improve tbh. Not bad but i suppose that is what this club has been aiming for in the last couple of years.
Once whilshere is back i would like to see him with arteta and i assume having jack as his partner rather than ramsay will relinquish some pressure on him. I like ramsay but he is hit and miss. This season after injury is only helping him, i think hel need one or two seasons until he can start to mature and peak.
Our midfield, after losing cesc and nasri, was always going to be weaker, but my only hope is jack. Then i believe this team will look so much better, hes that important in my opinion. No pressure or anything on him ...
When the season started the primary role of our midfield (in fact the whole team) was to find something to grab to stop us plunging into a pit full of shit. Arteta has helped. He's not spectacular, he's no play maker, but he's competent, experienced and is prepared to graft for the team. That's just what we needed and he's done the job well. It's interesting you are keen to see him with Wilshere - so am I. Losing Jack for so long has been a massive hit. Losing the whole bloody defence on top has been a nightmare too. The guys that can still walk have done an okay job. It could have been so much worse. In fact at one point it looked like we'd struggle to stay in the top flight, never mind challenge for a CL spot. The latter seemed like fantasy, but everyone has to admit the players and the manager have halted the plunge and have clawed themselves back into contention. credit where it's due.Quote:
Originally Posted by SayNoMore
Also, sack the board. Bunch of cunts.
Are we overhyping Jack a bit?
He didnt score or assist many last season if i remember correctly. Good player no doubt and better than Arteta and Ramsey by some distance but is he really our saviour?