Profit before transfers. Confirmed.

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Originally Posted by LDG

I agree.

I think it's one thing every Arsenal fan wants. To be told exactly what is going on regarding cash....because if they came out and said, sorry, we're skint, and we can't afford it....we have to make do with what we've got, then most people would be "fair enough"....

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I wouldn't. I'd be furious. There's really no reason for that to be true.

We aren't skint, of course. There's money there. The board just don't want to release it.

Those are the facts, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

I wouldn't. I'd be furious. There's really no reason for that to be true.

We aren't skint, of course. There's money there. The board just don't want to release it.

Those are the facts, unfortunately.

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Yeah, I did mean, tell the truth....and if truth was, they had no money, fair enough. Of course they have shitloads of the stuff.....but we're not being told where that's going either.

so if i have this right, last summer we made 5 million for cesc, and 20 million for nasri. giving us a budget of 25 million once 20 million profit taken out. so using that logic, reason we signed no one was because we blew it all in the summer?

if thats correct, what the fuck are hill wood, kronke and usmanov doing to our club. fucking ****s

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Originally Posted by LDG

I agree.

I think it's one thing every Arsenal fan wants. To be told exactly what is going on regarding cash....because if they came out and said, sorry, we're skint, and we can't afford it....we have to make do with what we've got, then most people would be "fair enough"....

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but what company would do that to paying customers?

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

It could be solely limited to players going out and coming in it's true but then we also know that we post profits in a financial year including everything. We do all the 'clearing' even without ever making a transfer of that magnitude.

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Wasn't it last year that we reported a small interim loss? The lack of significant sales in the previous summer were widely blamed as I recall.

A profit of 15-20M each season is a significant amount for a football club, particularly in light of the fact that most of them don't make profits. Wenger doesn't mention where the profit has to come from, to a lehmann, transfer trading is the most obvious source.

It's the word imperative that makes me wonder. The implies that it's essential to the club to make this lump of profit every season. Profit also implies that our operating costs are already covered. As only majority shareholder I don't think KSE can cream off profits in the way the Glazers do, at least not without everyone knowing. And besides the way Wenger says it suggests that this has been the case for a while.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

so if i have this right, last summer we made 5 million for cesc, and 20 million for nasri. giving us a budget of 25 million once 20 million profit taken out. so using that logic, reason we signed no one was because we blew it all in the summer?

if thats correct, what the fuck are hill wood, kronke and usmanov doing to our club. fucking ****s

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They paid 5 million for Cesc? :unsure:

Barca didnt pay the entire fee upfront but from what I recall reading, it was around the 18 million quid that they paid up front. Add to that the 20 million for the lesbian. Plus the TV deals, CL money and 3 million/home game... Let's not forget the profits we had made earlier from Ade, Toure, Clichy, Hleb etc.

I just do not see how the board can be blamed alone for holding up cash when Arsene is nodding his head in agreement to what they are giving him! Look at SAF.. that guy didnt take any shit and always got the players he wanted. If he didnt, I am sure he wouldve quit Utd and not laze around destroying his legacy like AW. Its very simple, if the board is not giving funds and helping the football club, Arsene should quit... unfortunately he hasnt and has been a mouthpiece for the board. While I can understand boardroom ****s to be greedy and leeching off the club, I cannot for one second tolerate a top level football manager like AW standing for shit like that.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

so if i have this right, last summer we made 5 million for cesc, and 20 million for nasri. giving us a budget of 25 million once 20 million profit taken out. so using that logic, reason we signed no one was because we blew it all in the summer?

if thats correct, what the fuck are hill wood, kronke and usmanov doing to our club. fucking ****s

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Im sure we made more then 5 mill for cesc ?

Didn't we also spend £60m? So how much was left in the pot after we went to market?

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

They paid 5 million for Cesc? :unsure:

Barca didnt pay the entire fee upfront but from what I recall reading, it was around the 18 million quid that they paid up front. Add to that the 20 million for the lesbian. Plus the TV deals, CL money and 3 million/home game... Let's not forget the profits we had made earlier from Ade, Toure, Clichy, Hleb etc.

I just do not see how the board can be blamed alone for holding up cash when Arsene is nodding his head in agreement to what they are giving him! Look at SAF.. that guy didnt take any shit and always got the players he wanted. If he didnt, I am sure he wouldve quit Utd and not laze around destroying his legacy like AW. Its very simple, if the board is not giving funds and helping the football club, Arsene should quit... unfortunately he hasnt and has been a mouthpiece for the board. While I can understand boardroom ****s to be greedy and leeching off the club, I cannot for one second tolerate a top level football manager like AW standing for shit like that.

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And gone where, SAF would never have left UTD if that happend he has too much control there to want to go anywhere else, if he wanted to go why did he not go when they did the green and yellow protests he sure as hell did not agree with them.

Only Wenger can know why he is sticking up for the board annoying as it is, maybe he was thinking if they sack me where do i go etc, so he has just gone along with them. Truth og the matter no one really knows and probs never will.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

And gone where, SAF would never have left UTD if that happend he has too much control there to want to go anywhere else, if he wanted to go why did he not go when they did the green and yellow protests he sure as hell did not agree with them.

Only Wenger can know why he is sticking up for the board annoying as it is, maybe he was thinking if they sack me where do i go etc, so he has just gone along with them. Truth og the matter no one really knows and probs never will.

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SAF wouldve retired... he doesnt have anything to prove to anyone. Arsene will be welcomed at other clubs like RM, PSG and many others.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Im sure we made more then 5 mill for cesc ?

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should have explained it better, meant made 5 million after taking 20 million out for profit. (i think whole transfer was 25 million)

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

No? Aren't the sections in quote marks 'quotes'?

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Where it says "the Frenchman has also revealed he is under pressure to deliver £15m-£20m in profit for the club through transfers each year" - he is not quoted as saying that. He is quoted as saying there should be a profit for the club but he does not specify where that profit should come from.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...=feeds-newsxml

:rolleyes:

Shows where the priorities of this club lie.

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More importantly we will never get Hazard, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, Hazard is out of our league finances wise the way we run the club.

restricted by the board

the amount of messages he's sent out over the past few months:

'if you sell nasri and cesc you cannot persuade people you are a top club'

'it would be stupid for us to drop points because we do not have a left back'

'need to make £20m a year'

add to that the fact we know the board restrict wages.

board needs to go.

cant wait for wengers book in 10 years time.

Wenger is the one who went to the board and told them to sell Cesc for a lower price than what we wanted.

Wenger and the board need to go :good:

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Originally Posted by Ach

Wenger is the one who went to the board and told them to sell Cesc for a lower price than what we wanted.

Wenger and the board need to go :good:

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Pretty much, they are complicit in this, I hate the notion of poor old Wenger having a hard time and being the scapegoat, the pr*ck earns 6 million a year FFS he's just as much part of this as the board.

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Originally Posted by Ach

Wenger is the one who went to the board and told them to sell Cesc for a lower price than what we wanted.

Wenger and the board need to go :good:

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no he never

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Originally Posted by Ach

Wenger is the one who went to the board and told them to sell Cesc for a lower price than what we wanted.

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Where on Earth is the source of that information?????

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

Where on Earth is the source of that information?????

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Another 'fact' pulled out of his arse.

Vinegar is responsible for the maddening on the pitch capitulations, he's had years to address the problem and construct a team who have a grasp of the basic fundamentals. That doesn't take millions because plenty of lesser teams have got the better of us in games over the last few years.

However I think the board are probably the reason why we can't/won't compete in the transfer market for top names.

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Originally Posted by GB.

Another 'fact' pulled out of his arse.

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:gp:

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Pretty much, they are complicit in this, I hate the notion of poor old Wenger having a hard time and being the scapegoat, the pr*ck earns 6 million a year FFS he's just as much part of this as the board.

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No one is saying he is a scapegoat, no one us saying he is not, because no one not even you no matter how much you hate the guy can say what goes on at the club or at board level.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Vinegar is responsible for the maddening on the pitch capitulations, he's had years to address the problem and construct a team who have a grasp of the basic fundamentals. That doesn't take millions because plenty of lesser teams have got the better of us in games over the last few years.

However I think the board are probably the reason why we can't/won't compete in the transfer market for top names.

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Chop his salary in three and you've got another 4 million to spend, if he loves the club so much maybe he should suggest it, it's not exactly hard to survive on 2 million a year.

He'd never do that of course.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

no he never

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Yes he did :good:

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

No one is saying he is a scapegoat, no one us saying he is not, because no one not even you no matter how much you hate the guy can say what goes on at the club or at board level.

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I've had this cr*p for years now, noone knows what going on, he does his talking behind closed doors, Wenger knows.....i'm friggin sick of it now, it's pretty clear what's going on, the board only give a sh*t about money and Wenger only gives a sh*t about delivering a profit so he can pick up his 6 million. If he really cared about results as much as people say we wouldn't be seeing the sh*t we've seen over the last few years, it smell of total incompetence.

This love for the club b*llocks is just that, the way he treats the fans (who basically are the club) is despicable IMO.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Vinegar is responsible for the maddening on the pitch capitulations

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Yes, I thought our failure to come back from 0-2 down against Villa in the cup, or to recover after Blackburn equalised last week showed a distinct lack of desire.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Wenger knows

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:faint:

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

Yes, I thought our failure to come back from 0-2 down against Villa in the cup, or to recover after Blackburn equalised last week showed a distinct lack of desire.

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Pedantic old man.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

no he never

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Originally Posted by Ach

Yes he did :good:

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Oh no he didn't.

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Originally Posted by Ach

Yes he did :good:

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And you have proof of this how, never knew you was in the room when the transfer was being discuessd.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Pedantic old man.

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Pedantist :sulk:

*Hears the sound of the (only) penny dropping on GW."

:coffee:

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

Oh no he didn't.

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He's behind you.

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Originally Posted by GB.

He's behind you.

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So's your face.

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

Where on Earth is the source of that information?????

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...wenger-arsenal

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"Without him I would not be a Barça player now, he convinced the owners of Arsenal, who would not sell under any circumstances, to lower the price," Fábregas said.

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Slightly worrying for GW that my arse knows more about Arsenal than a mod but considering who the mod is, its not surprising.

I accept his apology

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

And you have proof of this how, never knew you was in the room when the transfer was being discuessd.

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I accept your apology as well

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Pretty much, they are complicit in this, I hate the notion of poor old Wenger having a hard time and being the scapegoat, the pr*ck earns 6 million a year FFS he's just as much part of this as the board.

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Stop speaking sense.

Wenger is god. Our beloved mod on here says so

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Originally Posted by Ach

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...wenger-arsenal



Slightly worrying for GW that my arse knows more about Arsenal than a mod but considering who the mod is, its not surprising.

I accept his apology

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Fabregas' statement makes no sense. If you arent going to sell under any circumstances why would you be persuaded sell at a lower price? If I'm trying to persuade someone to do something they don't want, I try to make the proposition more rather than less attractive.

But hey, we all know how giddy you get when you think of Cesc.

:lol:

And the reaching has started

Me and my know it all arse accept your apology nevertheless

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Originally Posted by Ach

Stop speaking sense.

Wenger is god. Our beloved mod on here says so

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This being the mod that wanted him sacked a year before you did a complete 180 in your wummery?