What's the point getting 4th place?

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

As mentioned in an earlier thread on this, getting 4th means CL revenue which a club could spend on a couple of players to make the difference, but since we would not spend the extra money, then 4th is not something I am so bothered about. Perhaps if we fail to make 4th, the board might realise that they have to speculate to accumulate. If missing on 4th makes them finally fork out for the players we need, then I'd rather we missed out this time round.

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

As mentioned in an earlier thread on this, getting 4th means CL revenue which a club could spend on a couple of players to make the difference, but since we would not spend the extra money, then 4th is not something I am so bothered about. Perhaps if we fail to make 4th, the board might realise that they have to speculate to accumulate. If missing on 4th makes them finally fork out for the players we need, then I'd rather we missed out this time round.

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Why should top players sign for a team that does not compete in the Champions League?

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Originally Posted by Arsenal Royal

Why should top players sign for a team that does not compete in the Champions League?

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Because there are still plenty of players left over. There are more good players than CL teams. We just keep failing to buy them.

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Originally Posted by GB.

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Ooooh!! Kerplunk!!! :woohoo:

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Originally Posted by GB.

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:lol: I did say 'if'.

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Originally Posted by Arsenal Royal

Why should top players sign for a team that does not compete in the Champions League?

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The CL is the only thing we have to attract top players, we won't pay big wages or promise trophies. There are still some players who would love to play for Arsenal FC.

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

Because there are still plenty of players left over. There are more good players than CL teams. We just keep failing to buy them.

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Why do you think we'll succeed in buying "them" in summer? Because my current impression is that not even top-players are leaving the club (cesc, nasri...) but also mediocre like clichy etc. We cannot even manage to keep a legendary player like Henry at our club an he plays in a different league on a different continent!

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Originally Posted by Arsenal Royal

Why do you think we'll succeed in buying "them" in summer? Because my current impression is that not even top-players are leaving the club (cesc, nasri...) but also mediocre like clichy etc. We cannot even manage to keep a legendary player like Henry at our club an he plays in a different league on a different continent!

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Read the sequence again. I said 'if' the board see the light and go for buying players, there are plenty about. If the board see the light, then what you said is irrelevant.

Your face is irrelevant.

I think it's a vicious cycle we've got in to. We're happy to attain top four because of the safety blanket it provides, well, provided but we don't spend the extra money it provides - yet how likely is it for us to get better players without that money? The whole thing sucks.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

The CL is the only thing we have to attract top players, we can't pay big wages or promise trophies. There are still some players who would love to play for Arsenal FC.

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Yup, Messi and Ronaldo cant wait to sign for us.. heard they are ready to take a pay cut for us too!

Dont want Messi

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

I think it's a vicious cycle we've got in to. We're happy to attain top four because of the safety blanket it provides, well, provided but we don't spend the extra money it provides - yet how likely is it for us to get better players without that money? The whole thing sucks.

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True.

Add to that, that players we could attract come here knowing we'll happily settle for fourth, and are not concerned about TRYING to win leagues and cups, shows lack of ambition.

What other club on earth has come out and said, "We'll settle for less than we could possibly get".

I just can't see a way out of it now, aside from having a complete overhaul, and a few years in the wilderness.

A few years in the wilderness beckons. If we finish 4th we'll just get more of the same, so thanks but no thanks.

Last night was just another home truth that clearly showed, while we may qualify for the ECL, we don't belong in it.

might as well turn out the lights and go home really.

we've pretty much always been poor in the cl, so last night was no surprise.

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Originally Posted by GB.

A few years in the wilderness beckons. If we finish 4th we'll just get more of the same, so thanks but no thanks.

Last night was just another home truth that clearly showed, while we may qualify for the ECL, we don't belong in it.

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This is why I said that finishing outside the top 4 may jolt us into action. Humiliations like last night or at OT can be dismissed as one off aberrations in a season where we won our CL group and we're still competing for a top 4 place (I think that says more about Chelsea and Liverpool than us, but astonishingly we are still 4th right now).

Finishing lower though crosses a line though which may jolt the board/Wenger into action.


Or it may not :(

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

I think it's a vicious cycle we've got in to. We're happy to attain top four because of the safety blanket it provides, well, provided but we don't spend the extra money it provides - yet how likely is it for us to get better players without that money? The whole thing sucks.

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Yeah I agree, I've no idea what our strategy would be if we fall out of the top 4 this year.

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Originally Posted by Letters

This is why I said that finishing outside the top 4 may jolt us into action. Humiliations like last night or at OT can be dismissed as one off aberrations in a season where we won our CL group and we're still competing for a top 4 place (I think that says more about Chelsea and Liverpool than us, but astonishingly we are still 4th right now).

Finishing lower though crosses a line though which may jolt the board/Wenger into action.


Or it may not :(

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Wenger will go if we don't finish top 4, can't see him staying to manage a team in the europa league.

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Originally Posted by Letters

This is why I said that finishing outside the top 4 may jolt us into action. Humiliations like last night or at OT can be dismissed as one off aberrations in a season where we won our CL group and we're still competing for a top 4 place (I think that says more about Chelsea and Liverpool than us, but astonishingly we are still 4th right now).

Finishing lower though crosses a line though which may jolt the board/Wenger into action.


Or it may not :(

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Personally, I just think it'll make the board even more tight fisted.

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I'll give 'em a fiver for Walcott.

Final offer :sulk:

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

The CL is the only thing we have to attract top players, we can't pay big wages or promise trophies. There are still some players who would love to play for Arsenal FC.

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What frigging planet are you on??!! We never even attempt to sign top players - that is not our business model!!

And we pay fucking huge wages - look at our wage bill - we just pay them to the wrong players.

Jeez.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

What frigging planet are you on??!! We never even attempt to sign top players - that is not our business model!!

And we pay fucking huge wages - look at our wage bill - we just pay them to the wrong players.Jeez.

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So we pay 250K a week like city/utd and barca do then ?

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

So we pay 250K a week like city/utd and barca do then ?

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Yes we do. Difference being, we pay 62.5k a week to four shit-kicking bottlers like Bendy and Denilson etc, whereas city pay one David Silva.

If we wanted to do it properly, we could have two or three highly paid players....so long as we stop bungling the wage bill up with crap players earning more than they're worth.

That said, we're gambling on 1 in 4 of those players being sold on for a massive profit...in any case, we're always planning for the future, never the here and now.

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Originally Posted by Letters

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I'll give 'em a fiver for Walcott.

Final offer :sulk:

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If you offer them a fiver, they'll settle for 3 quid.

Arsenal player negotiations :rose:

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Originally Posted by LDG

Yes we do. Difference being, we pay 62.5k a week to four shit-kicking bottlers like Bendy and Denilson etc, whereas city pay one David Silva.

If we wanted to do it properly, we could have two or three highly paid players....so long as we stop bungling the wage bill up with crap players earning more than they're worth.

That said, we're gambling on 1 in 4 of those players being sold on for a massive profit...in any case, we're always planning for the future, never the here and now.

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A future that never happens. 5 years ago I'm not sure we were planning for this.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

So we pay 250K a week like city/utd and barca do then ?

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Yes

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Originally Posted by LDG

Yes we do. Difference being, we pay 62.5k a week to four shit-kicking bottlers like Bendy and Denilson etc, whereas city pay one David Silva.

If we wanted to do it properly, we could have two or three highly paid players....so long as we stop bungling the wage bill up with crap players earning more than they're worth.

That said, we're gambling on 1 in 4 of those players being sold on for a massive profit...in any case, we're always planning for the future, never the here and now.

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What my main point was, to attract a certain we always had the CL as a way of getting them, cant see them wanting to come with us in the Europa league.

I agree we do pay high wages, but not as big as the clubs i mentiond. City have abour 3/4 players on 150K or more we can't do that.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

Yes

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so which one of our players is on that a week then.

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Originally Posted by Letters

This is why I said that finishing outside the top 4 may jolt us into action. Humiliations like last night or at OT can be dismissed as one off aberrations in a season where we won our CL group and we're still competing for a top 4 place (I think that says more about Chelsea and Liverpool than us, but astonishingly we are still 4th right now).

Finishing lower though crosses a line though which may jolt the board/Wenger into action.


Or it may not :(

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I guess we'll find out in the summer. We failed to buy a striker that can score goals in the January window so I'm just waiting for Wenger to go, get kicked upstairs and get a decent tactical manager who will insist on proper players, or for the miracle road to Damascus light where Wenger/Board spot the deliberate mistake, sack the dross and buy effective players.

I'm not surprised we are probably not getting past AC Milan, though it would have been less painful if it had been a 2-0 rather than a 4-0. Their first goal was decent and I don't really blame us for that. But Rosicky, Walcott have shown they are just not going to do the business and persisting with them is just frustrating. We needed to get at them, so why the fuck was Ox not playing at the start. etc. Blah blah - same shite blah blah. etc. ™

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

so which one of our players is on that a week then.

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We paid Henry £200k in his final season with us.

Wages are not the problem. We have one of the highest wage bill's in the league.

Paying a load of shite above average wages is the problem as we cannot then pay the exceptional players top dollar (See LDG's post).

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

We paid Henry £200k in his final season with us.Wages are not the problem. We have one of the highest wage bill's in the league.

Paying a load of shite above average wages is the problem as we cannot then pay the exceptional players top dollar (See LDG's post).

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No we never did he got 120K max our board would never go that high. Even ray palour said wages play a big part in transfers.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

No we never did he got 120K max our board would never go that high. Even ray palour said wages play a big part in transfers.

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Read the accounts - it's all there. We paid PAYE on his £200k per week so we sure as hell paid it.

It is clear that you have been brainwashed by Wenger's bullshit.

There is no saving you.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

Read the accounts - it's all there. We paid PAYE on his £200k per week so we sure as hell paid it.

It is clear that you have been brainwashed by Wenger's bullshit.There is no saving you.

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Oh fuck off with that nonsesne when have we ever paid anyone 200K so why would we give henry that.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Oh fuck off with that nonsesne when have we ever paid anyone 200K so why would we give henry that.

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:haha:

Go read the accounts instead of arguing.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

:haha:

Go read the accounts instead of arguing.

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Post a link to them if you can find them and let me read em.

Henry got a very, very big loyalty bonus after the CL final.

Either way, the wage structure at this club is very disproportionate to the actual proven performances we get from certain players and that's a huge problem.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

We paid Henry £200k in his final season with us.

Wages are not the problem. We have one of the highest wage bill's in the league.

Paying a load of shite above average wages is the problem as we cannot then pay the exceptional players top dollar (See LDG's post).

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Yep, that's what pisses me off the most about our "High & Mighty Purist" attitude, it's all very well Arsene & the board crowing about not spending or big wages killing the game but we pay reserve/squad players 50K a week, we don't have one or two of them we have nearly half a team of them, so that's 250K a week we're throwing away due to poor planning and a flawed player recruitment policy. Yet we refuse to increase the wages of our star players, I really don't understand any of it TBH.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Henry got a very, very big loyalty bonus after the CL final.

Either way, the wage structure at this club is very disproportionate to the actual proven performances we get from certain players and that's a huge problem.

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Spot on.

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Spot on your face.

Its a competition we've never won. Hence its good to compete in it.
FC Porto won it once so I don't want to hear about how "we'll never be good enough to win it".