Match Reaction Vs Stoke

My views on how we should play against Stoke are quite clear, but I guess today it wouldn't have worked because they beat us to the first booking. Home advantage matters a lot in physical games. If Wenger and the club had truly had enough of Stoke, we would've butchered them when they came to our patch. I was calling for it. My views were probably as bad as those Stoke fans'. I just don't care how it sounds - I'd love revenge and fighting fire with fire. We boo one of their youngest players (probably 28 years old?). Chant the most abusive filth at Pulis. Do a 'Terry' on Walters. The refs won't touch us at the Emirates, I guarantee it. Whine like bitches, get him on our side. Then, when the game's dusted, get Coquelin or someone on and sacrifice a 3 match ban. And make it worth it.

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Originally Posted by Joker

They create a very hostile atmosphere to put the opposition off their game, and that includes abusing opposition players (and managers).

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No their just Dickheads its simple. A Scummy club with Scummy fans. They'd have demading Shawcross have a statue had be broke Ramsey's leg again.

They are just morons really and nto only to our team to most in the league.

Gervinho is crap, if you go purely on the evidence. Need to get a decent replacement in the summer. Would advocate giving him away provided they agree to take Chamakh too (and not try to send him back like Denilson).

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

No their just Dickheads its simple. A Scummy club with Scummy fans. They'd have demading Shawcross have a statue had be broke Ramsey's leg again.

They are just morons really and nto only to our team to most in the league.

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they display a real lack of class tbh

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

Stoke fans are sub-human filth.

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Thought I heard derisory boos every time the welsh ewe ramsey had possession. From her body language she certainly didn't like it and the garlic cruncher was getting some stick from the fans behind him in the dug out. Great effort from our fans today certainly 12th man returned with avengance imo.

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the reply from the south stand

he'll break what he want's, ryan shawcross he'll break what he wants

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What makes you say that?

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Originally Posted by LDG

But i think it'll be somewhat different this time round, as i think he's had enough as much as us. Onwards and upwards.

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Sure :lol: are you expecting to see pigs flying past your window as well? :lol:

He'll never learn, he'll be happy we got third and will come out with the usual BS about us have x amount of players back next season and more experience, sure he'll sign up his usual sh*te unknowns from France and maybe a striker is RVP leaves but we won't be seeing those changes we've been wanting for years.

i'm trying to concentrate on the positives:
we did not get bullied.
rosicky looked lively and found his feet.
yossi was really good.
rvp scored again.
song will get some rest at norwich after getting the billionth yellow.
aaaand newcastle lost.
optimist clique? here i come... :lol:

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

they display a real lack of class tbh

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No, arsenal have no class. City and Stoke are fine and we should be more like them. Not sure why you can't get this.

Also, Pardew is class, he signed a French bloke to prove it.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Gervinho is crap, if you go purely on the evidence. Need to get a decent replacement in the summer. Would advocate giving him away provided they agree to take Chamakh too (and not try to send him back like Denilson).

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To be fair to Chamakh he did as well as he has for a while. However, he doesn't have the instinct of a striker, always looks to lay the ball back and I don't see him in the box often enough. But he can't play as a second striker either, because he lacks the creativity and subtlety needed. He's not the sort of player we need, and should be sold in the summer, along with quite a few others actually.

Gervinho has been a major disappointment. I preferred him to Walcott at the start of the season but now it's clear he lacks the mentality to be a top player (and his footballing ability isn't great either).

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Pretty Much.

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I reckon if we get third and he does f*ck all in the summer (as he normally does) you'll be saying the same thing as you said at the start of this season about just getting on with it. :lol:

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Originally Posted by hymppi

i'm trying to concentrate on the positives:
we did not get bullied.
rosicky looked lively and found his feet.
yossi was really good.
rvp scored again.
song will get some rest at norwich after getting the billionth yellow.
aaaand newcastle lost.
optimist clique? here i come... :lol:

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Amnesty isn't it? So Song should be okay.

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Originally Posted by GB.

This season isn't his first as a footballer - there was no excuse - none at all for chickening out of the header. This man has gives nothing to the Club - in fact he has managed to accomplish the incredible accolade of being outshone by Chamakh.

I'm a patient fan, but I've lost all patience for this utter travesty of a signing.

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So why was he so good for Lille then and not for us i just don't know. IMO he was never going to be as good as most thought he'd be but more a sqaud player so for me there is no dissapoiment.

he is someone who needed to come with world class players not be one of the main starters.

maybe him being in the french league has made him a pussy.

I don't understand why Oxlade has been totally overlooked.

Gervinho is as poor as they come but he gets in.

WUMger at it again.

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Originally Posted by GB.

What makes you say that?

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i like the fact they're vocal...
but they really lack class.
i'm sitting on a high horse. i can see my house from here.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I reckon if we get third and he does f*ck all in the summer (as he normally does) you'll be saying the same thing as you said at the start of this season about just getting on with it. :lol:

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And what did i say at the start of this summer please tell me since you know what ill say in august.

i Never said i was happy that we sold Fab or Nasro or that id even thought we'd have done well or that i even wanted AW to stay at the star on the seasonso not sure what BS your on.

I had more important things in my life to worry about then Arsenal.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Sure :lol: are you expecting to see pigs flying past your window as well? :lol:

He'll never learn, he'll be happy we got third and will come out with the usual BS about us have x amount of players back next season and more experience, sure he'll sign up his usual sh*te unknowns from France and maybe a striker is RVP leaves but we won't be seeing those changes we've been wanting for years.

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You mean like we won't sign Podolski or is he not world class for you.

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Originally Posted by Joker

To be fair to Chamakh he did as well as he has for a while. However, he doesn't have the instinct of a striker, always looks to lay the ball back and I don't see him in the box often enough. But he can't play as a second striker either, because he lacks the creativity and subtlety needed. He's not the sort of player we need, and should be sold in the summer, along with quite a few others actually.

Gervinho has been a major disappointment. I preferred him to Walcott at the start of the season but now it's clear he lacks the mentality to be a top player (and his footballing ability isn't great either).

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To be fair Chamakh did fuck all - again and as always. A striker who can't play up front, that's about as pointless as it gets. Gerv is a gamble that hasn't paid off. But Chamakh is a talentless, gutless waster that should be within a mile of a professional footie pitch unless it's to cut the grass. Must get rid of for the summer. I'd rather have Spazmodo Creepiecrouch playing for us and I wouldn't want that ever, ever, ever, no fucking way.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I don't understand why Oxlade has been totally overlooked.

Gervinho is as poor as they come but he gets in.

WUMger at it again.

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meh id rather he did not play against those stoke thugs tbh.

Gev on th other hand needs to man up.

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Originally Posted by GB.

This season isn't his first as a footballer - there was no excuse - none at all for chickening out of the header. This man has gives nothing to the Club - in fact he has managed to accomplish the incredible accolade of being outshone by Chamakh.

I'm a patient fan, but I've lost all patience for this utter travesty of a signing.

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The writing was on the wall with this player. His shooting and technique in front of goal is scruffy and clumsy. Never sorts his feet out or shapes his body to get a clean strike on the ball and he quite often makes the wrong decision when passing. A very untidy player and when teams sit back and defend deep the chances of him producing something meaningful diminish even further.

He's a frustrating player and I doubt he has the ability to be more clinical and consistent with his decisions and passing. Even on his day, I don't think he'll ever be as effective as a player like Oxlade. He'll be another expensive bench player next season.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Gervinho is crap, if you go purely on the evidence. Need to get a decent replacement in the summer. Would advocate giving him away provided they agree to take Chamakh too (and not try to send him back like Denilson).

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That and if you hyped him up to be something he is not.

IMO he's like Hleb not a bad player had the skills but lacks balls.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

No, arsenal have no class. City and Stoke are fine and we should be more like them. Not sure why you can't get this.

Also, Pardew is class, he signed a French bloke to prove it.

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You're overreacting again, I never said I think we have no class, in fact I though our away support were fucking brilliant today and could be heard over the Stoke fans a lot of the time. I'm just saying it would be better if our home support could be a bit like that, but I guess all clubs wish that.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

meh id rather he did not play against those stoke thugs tbh.

Gev on th other hand needs to man up.

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It's not about today. It's about the whole season. Infact Wenger probably only gave him a run in the team because the clamour was so intense after the United game. Had he not performed in that we probably wouldn't have seen him again.

He's much better than Gervinho and far more likely to affect a match.

He's probably being punished for daring to play so well.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

The writing was on the wall with this player. His shooting and technique in front of goal is scruffy and clumsy. Never sorts his feet out or shapes his body to get a clean strike on the ball and he quite often makes the wrong decision when passing. A very untidy player and when teams sit back and defend deep the chances of him producing something meaningful diminish even further.

He's a frustrating player and I doubt he has the ability to be more clinical and consistent with his decisions and passing. Even on his day, I don't think he'll ever be as effective as a player like Oxlade. He'll be another expensive bench player next season.

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We did the whole stadium, waiting period, fuck up the sponsorship deals and flog the club to Stan thing. Can't be doing with these types of semi-players any more, need proper players in the summer to mount a serious challenge.

Same people who predicted Arsenal defeat coming up with complaints when the team earned with a valuable point away from home is hard to believe . Third place is not out of control yet . We don't need any slip-up yet .We just need to win our two last games starting with Norwich . Third is still ours to lose and I bet we won't .

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

That and if you hyped him up to be something he is not.

IMO he's like Hleb not a bad player had the skills but lacks balls.

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I didn't hype him up you ****. I said he could possibly be the new Pele crossed with Cruff and a little bit of Zidane sprinkled in. Just didn't turn out that way though, but it was hardly hype.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

It's not about today. It's about the whole season. Infact Wenger probably only gave him a run in the team because the clamour was so intense after the United game. Had he not performed in that we probably wouldn't have seen him again.

He's much better than Gervinho and far more likely to affect a match.

He's probably being punished for daring to play so well.

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He seems to be punished for slightly below par performances than many other players. Okay, it didn't work out for him against Chelsea but it looks like he's going to be punished for that by not being seen in the first team for a while. The same thing happened when he had a bit of an off day against Newcastle, he wasn't seen for weeks after that.

It's baffling why he's not playing more regularly.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

It's not about today. It's about the whole season. Infact Wenger probably only gave him a run in the team because the clamour was so intense after the United game. Had he not performed in that we probably wouldn't have seen him again.

He's much better than Gervinho and far more likely to affect a match.

He's probably being punished for daring to play so well.

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True and we'll never really no unforutuneatly. Maybe AW still hates English players but why would he buy him then.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I didn't hype him up you ****. I said he could possibly be the new Pele crossed with Cruff and a little bit of Zidane sprinkled in. Just didn't turn out that way though, but it was hardly hype.

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No i know you did not hype him up i meant in General.

People assumed he was better then he is.

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Same people who predicted Arsenal defeat coming up with complaints when the team earned with a valuable point away from home is hard to believe . Third place is not out of control yet . We don't need any slip-up yet .We just need to win our two last games starting with Norwich . Third is still ours to lose and I bet we won't .

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To be fair, I predicted an easy win so that's why I'm complaining. Third is ours to lose. I think we can do it.

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Same people who predicted Arsenal defeat coming up with complaints when the team earned with a valuable point away from home is hard to believe . Third place is not out of control yet . We don't need any slip-up yet .We just need to win our two last games starting with Norwich . Third is still ours to lose and I bet we won't .

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Are you new here lol.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We did the whole stadium, waiting period, fuck up the sponsorship deals and flog the club to Stan thing. Can't be doing with these types of semi-players any more, need proper players in the summer to mount a serious challenge.

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We didn't spend wisely and it's weird because the scouts should have known that this guy couldn't shoot and had zero intelligence when it comes to decisions. It was the same with Chamakh. They are seriously flawed players. If you can't shoot or pass at that age then it's over. I can't believe we signed them. There were better players around for £10m.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Maybe AW still hates English players but why would he buy him then.

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That's not a viewpoint worth considering.

With Wenger it's a seniority thing. He keeps far too much trust in players who are 'senior' players. Senior in terms of how important they've been to the club, not age. The youth project criticism has messed with his head and he's overcompensating. Arshavin was the senior player so it took him a long time and far too many shit performances until he was chucked out. Almunia was a senior figure so it took him very long to give Szczesny a go. Walcott was the senior player (having been here 6 years) so even when he was off form he was in the team. Wenger has made some very weird decisions this season and only giving Oxlade a handful of starts is top of the list.

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Originally Posted by Syn

That's not a viewpoint worth considering.

With Wenger it's a seniority thing. He keeps far too much trust in players who are 'senior' players. Senior in terms of how important they've been to the club, not age. The youth project criticism has messed with his head and he's overcompensating. Arshavin was the senior player so it took him a long time and far too many shit performances until he was chucked out. Almunia was a senior figure so it took him very long to give Szczesny a go. Walcott was the senior player (having been here 6 years) so even when he was off form he was in the team. Wenger has made some very weird decisions this season and only giving Oxlade a handful of starts is top of the list.

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You can say that again. Like others have said, it seems like he is almost punishing the boy or that he is not playing him to make a point.

Like i said only in AW's head it will make sense why he does not play him, id just like to know why.

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Originally Posted by Syn

That's not a viewpoint worth considering.

With Wenger it's a seniority thing. He keeps far too much trust in players who are 'senior' players. Senior in terms of how important they've been to the club, not age. The youth project criticism has messed with his head and he's overcompensating. Arshavin was the senior player so it took him a long time and far too many shit performances until he was chucked out. Almunia was a senior figure so it took him very long to give Szczesny a go. Walcott was the senior player (having been here 6 years) so even when he was off form he was in the team. Wenger has made some very weird decisions this season and only giving Oxlade a handful of starts is top of the list.

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It goes hand in hand with the wages. If you're on first team wages, you'll keep getting the nod to play. Wenger did the same with Denilson, he's doing the same with Ramsey....he keeps doing it.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

You can say that again. Like others have said, it seems like he is almost punishing the boy or that he is not playing him to make a point.

Like i said only in AW's head it will make sense why he does not play him, id just like to know why.

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It may be to make a point to the English media, who have been hyping him a lot this season (not without reason either). However, that would be a crazy thing to do, because it's effectively cutting your nose off to spite your face.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Cracking point. Will be very important that. Thought we were gonna get done by those dribbling shite fuckers and that cap waring spastic abortion. Didn't see the game. Don't care. It's all about points now, and maling sure we're third. If we can do that and then fail to do the necessary in the sunmer, i'll be marching in the wenger out brigade. But i think it'll be somewhat different this time round, as i think he's had enough as much as us. Onwards and upwards.

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Yup, point gained as far as I'm concerned, we've lost their with much better teams.

I think we'll need 6 from the last 2 to be sure of 3rd place. Norwich I'm confident about, West Brom I think we may slip up at.

Wenger has this summer to save his job for me.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It goes hand in hand with the wages. If you're on first team wages, you'll keep getting the nod to play. Wenger did the same with Denilson, he's doing the same with Ramsey....he keeps doing it.

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Yup, forgot to mention that wages is the best signal for seniority.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Yup, point gained as far as I'm concerned, we've lost their with much better teams.

I think we'll need 6 from the last 2 to be sure of 3rd place. Norwich I'm confident about, West Brom I think we may slip up at.

Wenger has this summer to save his job for me.

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GingersForLimpar on twitter reported that Wenger in the press conference said:

"At the end of the season I think you will have big surprises because there will not be a lot of movement in football."

http://twitter.com/#!/Gingers4Limpar/

I hope this is only in reference to other clubs and not us :lol:

Good draw

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Originally Posted by Syn

Yup, forgot to mention that wages is the best signal for seniority.

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Theo used to have games where he'd score a goal and then be on the bench for the next game. Doesn't happen anymore.