Wasn't funny the first time, you must be running out of material as you've had to re-use the same sh*t...time to hang up your boots methinks :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
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Wasn't funny the first time, you must be running out of material as you've had to re-use the same sh*t...time to hang up your boots methinks :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
If we're all reluctantly approaching retirement and someone has come in with a remit to refresh the team, then it is a similar situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
But he never with chavs simple for the sqaud they had and the manager he was and he should have, if he oculd ahve done it wil milan in a year then he should have done it with Cheslea in the time he was there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Whether he'll do it with madrid is questionable too, should have done it this year but failed tbh. they should have beatern the germans at home no questions aksed.
Again you don't know he was there to "refresh" the team, I believe he was there to win and play pretty football and do it by whatever means...that doesn't necessarily mean getting rid of older players.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Not funny, but effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
He'll do it with Madrid no doubt, he's already won the cup and then the league, his teams progress they don't stand still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
No he didn't but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have, his record suggests he would.
Not really, it's not actually achieved anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
CL is a funny thing no way to know he will ever win it with madrid you probably said that the last 2 years they win it and look what happend. Im sure Madrid will be favs to win it next season but with these competions you just never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
You never know for sure, but if you look at his record it suggest there's a very good chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Winning is everything to him and he's very very good at making his teams win.
The team - as it is and when the new manager came in required it - it has been a common thread of analysis by just about everyone and by far the greatest threat to Chelsea's future is the age of the squad. The squad was being overhauled by a Manager that I and many other suggest has a bright future.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
And he was scuppered by a cabal of players who have little future other than a declining influence in the game.
I'm still laughing at that.Quote:
Noone else has had problems with the Chelsea team
That's gold Zim, GOLD!
I echo some of the opinions in the opening few posts of this thread. Not much can be accredited to Roberto Di Matteo's successes (if, indeed, he does prevail in the FA Cup and Champions League) when it's clear as day that the players are putting that much more effort in under him. Under AVB, they were embarrassing. This is what compels me to side with AVB over Di Matteo as a potential successor to Wenger. With a lack of egos at AFC, I'm sure AVB would do a good job here.
Oh the Irony :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
That's your opinion, Milan won trophies with ageing players, there's a balance and Chelsea players aren't that old yet...again pure speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
The players know when their time is up, just look at Drogba, this theory you've concocted seems to be the basis of your whole argument but it's totally unproven.
AVB was brought in to win and play good football by whatever means, I doubt he was told get rid of all the older players or you won't win anything....some may have made way others may have stayed, the problem was his inability to man manage them.
Pretty much, I mean its not like he got a year or 2 to make here stamp on the team if he did then id see peoples points about him not being good deserving to be sacked etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernesto
Di maeto did not bring in no new players he was the Assistant manager to AVB was he not so he knew the players anyway and they probs took a liking to him more then AVB anyway being a chelsea Legend.
Getting a bunch of players to play as a team is a skill, Chelsea look very united at the moment and let's not forget Di Matteo did a decent job at WBA too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernesto
He can't take all the credit as he didn't build the team (neither did AVB incidentally) but he's doing a much better job than Villa Boas ever did...they were a car crash with him and getting beaten by all and sundry.
I personally don't rate him that highly as he's still relatively unproven.
AVB only had a few months in the job, he signed a few but had some disastrous results, this wasn't even his squad bar a few players. A few months isn't enough to take the credit for building a new team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Some managers can get the best out of any group of players some can't he couldn't that's a fact, at least Di Matteo has shown he can do that.
It isn't a concocted theory by me - it has been a common topic of discussion throughout football since his appointment!Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
And the problems have been with JT and his cabal - it permeated about 90% of any discussion and articles written about Chelsea!
I think you have that bit between your teeth when you have that second bite of the cherry, too. (One too many dental analogies, there!) Unless, of course, you're Ranieri or Benitez, where you stink up every club you're appointed to!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
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Originally Posted by ItsMe
http://www.chelseadaft.org/2012/01/k...g-and-not.htmlQuote:
We have all wondered about the situation regarding transfers now AVB is in charge. Reports were that he had 100% say on all comings and goings at the club. Well today, in his press conference ahead of the game tomorrow, AVB has confirmed that isn't the case.
We have been heavily linked with Genk's exciting winger Kevin De Bruyne for the last few seasons and things have come to a head this week with reports that a deal would be agreed between the two clubs for him to sign for Chelsea and be loaned straight back to Genk to finish the Belgian season.
AVB has stressed today that KDB will be a one for the club and not necessarily one of his own personal targets. He said:
'He is a player that the club has scouted for quite some time, and was interested in for quite some time. I am a manager who respects club policies as well and when the club has to plan for the future, being with this manager and any other manager, I think Kevin is an extremely interesting player and is a good bet if the club finishes the situation.
Interesting comments from AVB again. I understand the situation with the club wanting to invest in younger players and to build for the future. Surely though, the Manager should have the final say whether or not someone comes in or doesn't?.
If we do sign KDB then AVB will have to integrate him into his plans for next season whether he wanted to or not which seems wrong to me.
If you are to have confidence in the person your believe is the right man to take the club forward, then surely you need to give him total control of HIS squad.
Is it just me or am I wrong on this? Like I said, I understand the club wanting to build for the future, but my view is that it must be in accordance with the manager and the players HE WANTS?
AVB was bought for the future and told to get rid of the old boys soon as he tried to do it he was sacked. Chelsea were never going to win the league this year who ever was in chanrge and they knew it, but as they said this season was a transistional one for them hence why AVB was boiught in so he had a couple of years to build a team.
http://i3.imageban.ru/out/2012/04/23...a231831a94.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by GB.
He has a plan for the future, so what? All managers do...players know they'll have to move on at some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Every manager will sign some younger players, doesn't mean the older players are out immediately, it's normal to plan.
If Di Matteo got the job what's to say he won't have a massive clearout?
IMO the comparisons with Mourhino was always going to work against him tbh he was never going to allowed to stay in that job unless he won the league, but i thoght they have given him a year or 2 to prove himself. These were the stupid people who paid 24 mill for him in the 1st place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernesto
He was told to get rid of the dross by his boss simple as that, but soon as JT did not like how his mate was treated he went to his boss and that was that. Basically AVB did not suck Terry's Balls Like Jose never and paid the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
He didn't get rid of them, they're still there..if he didn't want them why not sell them last summer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
He couldn't manage his squad that's a fact, Di Matteo can. If you have a squad of players you rotate and play them all especially with senior players, it's about making everyone feel wanted and part of the squad.
Abrahmovic doesn't give a sh*t about the players, if the manager had won everything and got rid of every senior player in the process he wouldn't have given a sh*t, Abrahmovic thought the results were poor and he was right, so he sacked him.
Like i said Had he been there a year or 2 and failed then they may have a point over sacking him, but he never had a chance to build the team he was told to by Abromvich.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
But thats the problem with clubs like Chelsea they makes the rules as they go along no matter who gets hurts. And ues if they win the double chav fans won't care i get that, but they no deep down their club will always be a joke.
What the hell do you think he was doing not playing them and weeding them out gradually, you can't just sell them all like that in the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
He didn't manage his squad well that's the problem at the end of the day, Di Matteo hasn't had a problem and he's made changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Comes down to poor man management and coaching methods at the end of the day, you have to make players feel wanted, if they don't feel they are they won't play for you, there's ways of doing things, he clearly didn't have a clue.
Do we have a "Bitch Corner" section?Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I'm not saying RDM can't manage - I'm also not saying he can - anyone making such a statement from such a small evidence base is someone who is a simpleton that will have no problem contradicting himself five minutes later when a larger body of evidence demonstrates the contrary to their opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
BUT - the appearance is that the cabal are calling the shots and just about anyone can manage like this in the short term - but it is not sustainable.
Only time will tell, if he keeps the job that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
He did a decent job at WBA overall though, not great job but decent.
I don't susbscribe to the view that the players call the shots though, if that's the case there's no point having a manager.
Wow maybe you should work for Chelsea since you know so much about the club!Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Yet thats why he chose Terrys side over Jose's then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
That's BS, he didn't choose anyone's side he chose to sack AVB because results have been sh*t and they we'rent going to win jack sh*t just like with every other manager he's sacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I never said nout about AVB :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I ignored that as it doesn't make sense, just thought it was one of those inaccuracies that always seem to make their way into your posts :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
They couldn't afford me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
But it did make sense though. I suppose you have be unaised to understand it though. Its ok i guess we'll just agree to disagree on this one:good:Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...?newsfeed=trueQuote:
John Terry has revealed he apologised to Roberto Di Matteo and his team-mates for getting sent off in Chelsea's Champions League victory against Barcelona.
Terry also used his programme notes for Chelsea's Premier League game against Queens Park Rangers to say sorry to Blues supporters and pay tribute to the 10 men who produced a heroic comeback at the Camp Nou on Tuesday to reach the final.
The Chelsea captain wrote: "I want to start my notes by saying how sorry I am for getting sent off at the Camp Nou and for putting the players, the manager and the club in that situation so early on in such an important game.
"I apologised to Robbie, the players and the staff after the game. I'm big enough to come out and man up when I make a mistake and, clearly, I made a mistake on Tuesday. I'm sorry for that and I owe it to you, the fans, to come out and say so.
"After that, for the boys to go and get the result they did, in the manner they did, was honestly one of the best things I have seen since I have been at Chelsea.
"It was not just the result, but the way they played. Just when it looked like everything was going wrong, for the 10 players on the pitch to stand up to one of the best teams ever to play the game, in their own stadium, was incredible.
"I was really proud to see the lads get through, because this club and this group of players deserve the opportunity in the Champions League final."
He's big. And he's a man. The big man. Big.
Robbie. :bow:
Just seen they won 6-1 today with a Torres hat trick :blink:
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