Only one of whom has had sustained success in the PL. Well, 2 if you include Mourinho but it wasn't that sustained and we all know how Chelsea achieved success.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
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Only one of whom has had sustained success in the PL. Well, 2 if you include Mourinho but it wasn't that sustained and we all know how Chelsea achieved success.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Yes why not he still won things and thats what will be important to him and he can tell the grand kids what he won and show them his medals etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Im sure he'd like to win more and may regret not winning more but i say he'd be fairly happy.
They never went 7 years without success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
In addition Wenger never defended the title, Mourinho did...the others never managed in the PL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...=V2sKH8yjVsM#!Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I was just making the point that winning is more important to some managers, I don't feel it is as important as it should be for Wenger, not saying he doesn't want to win I'm just saying it's not everything for him, good football, making the club money and doing things the way he thinks they should be done seems more important to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Given that every manager who has prioritised cups to the detriment of there performance in the league has been sacked, it's hard to level the charge as a personality problem.
Yes
Get RDM in
Done in less than half a season what Wenger cant do in 16 years
Agreed.
Wenger is a ****.
Did Wenget congratulate Di Matteo personally tonight?
Not even a beer raised in the direction of the TV?
What a ******* ******** French *********.
If Ramsay is in the first 11 regularly next season, and Wenger hasn't made him into Messi (okay I'd settle for a lot less shit) then put him in a sack.
Luck his way to the CL title? :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Pretty much. The man is such a knob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Didnt watch the final tonight so no idea if he was lucky or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Fact remains, hes won it. We havent.
Wenger out
Pretty much, funny how he got lucky and yet Wenger can't in 16 years eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Again agreed, sometimes you do get the rub of the green , but you also have to make the most of it...Di Matteo's side did, Wenger's side have never....so yeah he should go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
He should go because he never gets lucky in the CL such a odd thing to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Napoleon used that to choose his generals - chose ones who were lucky. And it worked well. Till it snowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
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Originally Posted by Coney
It has little to do with luck, that was the point. Some managers get lucky and other don't, I'd say that's due to the way they manage and the way they set out their teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Oh i don't disagree He's not lucky at all Had Robben taken that Pen against Us it would have gone in and we all know this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Same with Messi in the game before. Chelsea were really lucky to win the thing, it was nothing to do with Skill etc. All they did was put 11 men behind the ball and hope for the best.
Luckily for them it worked. Only one team actually Played football(not to their best may i add) and they lost.
As I remember it, it was saved was it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Sorry but 16 years and he's not managed to get "lucky" as you put it, I'd say there's a bit more to it then luck.
Weren't you the one who was saying how Di Matteo deserved no credit, well two trophies (including Europe's biggest) in less than half a season after the sacking of the car crash AVB says different. Even the players thought he'd done a great job.
i tend to agree fortunate or not, i think Di Matteo has done an exceptional job....i genuinely think he's a good guy which is more than can be said for many of his charges.
If he didn't get the job then i'd say he's better off without Chelsea.
Well he's Chelsea best manager ever tbf i mean no one else has won them the biggest prize in football so credit to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Not best ever no, but he'll always be remembered, he gets credit for turning around what was going to be a disastrous season for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Yes he is He won them the top trophy no others could do it simple. Jose Spent loads and still failed all the years he was thereQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
This man done in to 6 months.
Not really, takes a lot more than that to become the best...if you don't see that more fool you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
To Roman who always wanted to win the CL he will be the best. Jose failed to do it with the Chavs the proof is in the pudding.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Ok so he has not won the league but i am sure he'll do that in the next few seasons. A Chelsea man with Chelsea passion good to see tbh. No one deserved to win the CL more then him and Drogba.
Again not really, it's not even been confirmed he's going to be their manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Whatever you say, Di Matteo isn't the best ever at this stage, it's ridiculous to say he is after less than half a season, especially when comparing to others who have achieved sustained success in the past after a period of 50 years without a title.
Its more the case he will. They be silly not to give it to him tbh. Even had he lost it they should give it to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
He is the manager that made Roman the most happy anyways.
Di Matteo took over a bunch of totally demoralised players who did have great talent. He took over when they had already made it past the group stage and some qualifiers so he only had to get them through 3 matches in the CL. He showed the right drive and ability to motivate enough to get them through the games and fair play to him for doing that. However, he has not built a team from the bottom up over time. Avram Grant took over after Moronio went and did much the same thing, though he had the bad luck to have Terry to take the final penalty instead of Drogba - otherwise he would be in the same position as Di Matteo, and I don't hear lots of people holding up Grant as a great manager that turned the club round.
If Matteo is chosen as their manager for next year (which means he has until about March to prove to Abramovich that he is definitely going to win something) then we will begin to see what he can do. Whoever takes over chavs needs to spend the next year phasing in some players to replace those who are coming to the end of their top flight careers. That will be the challenge he faces.
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Originally Posted by Coney
AVB could have Won the CL with this lot, if they played for him rather then decided to show him who's boss. Lets not think this is a poor chav side far from it. They still have players in their team who knew how to win and that with the luck they had is what helped them.
I don't think they were the best side in that game, but sometimes football is cruel like that. But Bayern only have themselves to blame for Choking in a big game.
I guess the pressure of playing at home got to Bayern tbh.
You see, this question can actually be answered pretty simply :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
We call those people virgins where I come from- and no we don't give them another 2 years to sort it out, we do the only humane thing, we just pay hookers :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe