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Originally Posted by GB.
And your face.
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And Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
And your face.
He isn't a bumbling idiot, but he needs to stfu about other clubs when we are the ones selling our best talent to them in order to fund whatever it is that gets done with the proceeds.
No other team has complained more vociferously about City. Yet half the nucleus of our first team is now on their bench.
I think Wenger has too much faith in his players to show resilience when up against the odds. I think it's part of his development plan. To show faith in players and give them a chance to perform. But when we're dealing with fatigue, injuries and players lacking confidence, he has to do something about it and place winning over development. For example, I can understand why he constantly plays Walcott down the right and on his weaker side. It was the same for Jack. I couldn't understand why he had him playing in a deep defensive position when he'd best suited playing further up. When you listen to his comments and interviews about that sort of thing, he says he wants them to develop their weak areas and not do the easy things that come as second nature to them. It's great development and really good philosophy and I like to hear his thoughts and that sort of thing, but it also drives me nuts that we sacrifice so much for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yeah, I said it bitch! Do something. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
It's a combination of both.
Your face is a bumbling idiot :angry:
Harsh on PnG, but I'll go with it.
Yeah sounds about right.
How long did it take you to type that sentence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Back on topic - how ironic that in today's Forbes list, we are the 10th most valuable sports team in the world!
1. Manchester United (football) - $2.23 billion
2. Real Madrid (football) - $1.88 billion
3. New York Yankees (MLB) - $1.85 billion
3. Dallas Cowboys (NFL) - $1.85 billion
5. Washington Redskins (NFL) - $1.56 billion
6. Los Angeles Dodgers (MLB) - $1.40 billion
6. New England Patriots (NFL) - $1.40 billion
8. Barcelona (football) - $1.31 billion
9. New York Giants (NFL) - $1.30 billion
10. Arsenal (football) - $1.29 billion
How is it ironic?
Its ironic because the tread is debating whether we are in terminal decline. Don't you think its ironic that a club in our position in terms of global value may well be in terminal decline?Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
I was at lunch today and I needed a fork, right, and all they had was spoons.
Sometimes you are mildly funny. This isn't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
http://www.isitironic.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
THIS is ironic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
One definition of irony from that website is incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
I think its incongrous that we have been in decline as a football force for the better part of a decade (and might be expected therefore to be less valuable than we were) yet in fact remain one of the world's most valuable clubs.
:shrug:
YOU are moronic.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
:lol:
GW :bow:
So's your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
Oh dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...-JFTvG7P_WyHgoQuote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
How ironic.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
He means expensive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_7_aJnQ1UkQuote:
Originally Posted by LDG
I agree, and this is why questions need to be asked about the men upstairs. Of course it doesn't help when you have some Arsenal bloggers like Arseblogger who seems to act as chief propagandist for Gazidis and Kroenke; the most scrutiny he gives them is to put in a one line about how "Kroenke needs to make his vision clearer" and never critiquing all the BS that comes out of the mouths of Gazidis, PHW etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
The board have placed financial needs over football needs, and are treating the club as a private sector enterprise, with the profit motive above all else. I can understand some people saying Wenger is a victim in this, and we can't know for sure, but I have had the impression over the last 5 years that Wenger has come round to their way of thinking, especially with his comments about needing to make the club a profit every year, criticising those who don't adhere to the dictats of the market, etc. I know I get ridiculed for calling Wenger a free market fundamentalist, but I'm not the only one who's said it:
http://gingers4limpar.com/?p=598
As in, a lot of Doe?Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Haaaaaaaaaa!!
Admit it. You've never actually read arseblog have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Interesting question - why Wenger and the Board seem to have fallen into line - because I refuse to believe that Wenger's principal aim is not to win things, or that his principal aim is making money for the club. In fact I think that there are 3 players here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Kroenke - he is in the business of making money, a lot of money, from his shares over the long term. He doesn't give a flying fuck about us winning silverware - not if doing so will mean that the club needs to borrow money, and not as long as the value of the club continues to increase. He probably cares about CL football because without that the value of the club (potential for sponsors etc) will inevitably start to diminish.
Board - do care about prestige/success - but care more about the long term stability of the club, and are conservative with a capital C. Thus borrowing to spend on transfers/wages - particularly at the level the club would need to do to have 3 Cesc/RVP quality players in the team - is not an option, and they have accepted that without this kind of investment, silverware is unlikely but Wenger will probably be able to keep the CL grevy train running.
Wenger - cares deeply about winning things, but is a slave to his philosophical beliefs which are that clubs should live within their means, and should not be beholden to over-inflated player prices and wages. To win while betraying these tenets is an empty win.
Strangely, all three approaches are served by the stagnation that now characterises our club. Another common thread is that none of the camps could give a toss about what the fans think. And all think either that we are simple commodities, fortunate with what we have.
Wenger seemed to have got a decent captain (in RvP) more by accident, judging by his previous choices. Hopefully whoever replaces him will be forceful enough to be respected by the other players, as must have been the case with PV. Not sure who it should be. I thought Verm until this year but now I am not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
For a brief moment, GW was great again. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The problem hasn't been the self-sufficiency model, it's that the club is run by incompetents....most namely Ivan Gazidis.
The club has allowed Wenger too much control, and like any manager given too much control he's going to make dreadful mistakes such as with wages, where he has allowed players to earn riduculous salaries based on potential and not much else.....he seems to believe in equality of wages at the club where when the matter was handled by Dein there was a clear hierarchical structure.
We make ourselves look like amateurs (such as the tapping up of a russian phone company owned by Usmanov, a mistake so embarassing that someone's head should have rolled) and we have brought the situation upon ourselves of players with one year left on their contract because Wenger or someone at the club has made the mistake of treating them as mature adults instead of forcing them to sit down and negotiate a new contract or being sold when the contract runs down to two years.
I see the Bar****s have now overtaken us, and Man U and especially Real have increased the gap. Oh well, now AW has another top 4 table to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
I don't think money it the only problem, for me the way we do things just isn't inspiring....as a fan you want to have something to look forward to but every season we're served up with the same thing, I'd love us to be more unpredictable in the way we play as I think every game we play is so samey and lacks excitement on the whole.
I just think the manager has been here so long everything is very stale, we know what we're going to get and to be honest it's boring. I'd rather get a new manager in and have some unpredictability back, different types of players, different style, different way of doing things.
So you think we're only in decline because of Wenger?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I think Wenger has run out of ideas. It will be interesting to see how we look this season with new players and a new coaching staff.
Thing is - I find it quite hard to believe that AW has run out of ideas. If what we hear is true (and I have no reason to believe otherwise), Wenger is the biggest nerd in football when it comes to studying the game - and its difficult to imagine that such an avid student of the game has no ideas about what makes a team work.
I think its more likely that he has a blind spot over his ability to put his ideas into practice with developmental players. Its not so much a blind spot about his ability - because he does have the ability to make good players world class. More about his ability to develop and keep them.
I honestly think that if he had managed to keep his top players together over the past 5 years we would have won the league with Barca style football - afetr all, he was the pioneer of this style in this country. Its his inflexibility about paying too much in transfers, while over-committing on developmental players' wages that seems to be the main problem.
It's a weird conundrum with the spending part. He believes in value for money, and in financial prudence. That much is clear. Yet he has taken too many gambles on unknown quanities. Prudence and gambling don't go hand in hand for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
That said, seems he's taking a more calculated look at players now. See Arteta, Podolski etc. Proven quality at a reasonable price.
I don't envy him having those financial constraints. He's still the best on the business at it though.
His major weakness is his reliance on players that aren't cutting it. During games, but also during a season. Where it goes wrong over a season, can been seen in microcosm during a game. Too late, and unwilling to change something fo rthe good of the team.
Tactically he has been woeful the last five years.
I think we're only not in decline because of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
We are stagnating though.
Yep top post. I think Wenger places player development and intelligence above anything else. I once read an article, cant remember what rag it was in, maybe the Independent where those close to Wenger pretty much said he lets the players work it out for themselves, he places a big emphasis on player development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
When we had a team full of experienced pros in the invincible era giving players the freedom to learn from their mistakes was fine because we had a set of experienced pros, using this method with a team of developing and largely inexperienced players is where Wenger has got it wrong.
None of this has anything to do with money, FFP or Man City, it's to do with coaching players and drilling them to learn, if a player is intelligent they will develop quickly on their own but they will most certainly develop a lot quicker if given direction.
I often say that Wenger makes it hard for himself, it's almost like he's trying to be too smart, many highly intellectual people are like this.
I was going to make a similar point!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'd buy that.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie