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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . This is a nice one .Quote:
Originally Posted by 4-3-3
the unswer is no, unless do pre agreement knowing mourinho he will dissaprove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Then it's certain we will get them in the knockout stagesQuote:
Originally Posted by 4-3-3
isnt Eisfeld German too?
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
gnaby, eisfeld, mert and poldi
Petulance :bow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFna5...layer_embedded
I need to Youtube him from his time at Dortmund, pointless watching the Real Madrid video. :lol:
"that's what you think is it? That I called you a fucking black ****!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
So is it with the option of perm? Some say yes and some say 1 yr loan
Thats the sticking point in the current negotiations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seymour Butts
I understand he played 11 times for Madrid last season so don't expect fireworks any time soon, gonna be rusty as fuck then has to get up to speed with Prem football.
Someone on a Spurs forum said Sahin was confirmed to Arsenal on SSN but I can't see it anywhere on tv or online.
I can't see why a Spud would make it up as it only upsets fellow Spuds. Unless it was a Gooner pretending to be a Spud and was winding them up!
Just been informed that a deal has now been finalised & Nuri Sahin is now expected to report to the Arsenal training ground after 4pm. #AFC from afcamden
Just a formality now.
On to the next one. :popcorn:
Get in. If true.
@AFCBDEFGHIJKLMNOCAMDEN :bow:
F5 time on the Arsenal website. :bow:
Think Brock might be too tired after last night tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
It was a fast paced match tbf.
Very odd move if it's just a year loan.
Seems to be little physical presence in midfield now. We're really going all out on this pass-pass-pass shit which will only work if everyone is very comfortable on the ball. You can't have Diaby's or Ramsey's in there. In fairness, when we've tried the pass-pass-pass shit before, we were reliant on the English players like Cesc which can never work. At least now the right type of players are being picked. But can they handle a humid, summer's night at the Brit? We'll find out shortly.
I agree. . .we do need an enforcer because by the sounds of it Sahin is a little more finesse than brawn
A centre three of Sahin, Arteta and Corzorla is not going to stand up to Stoke or the like. . .Diaby now becomes our meathead and he is one tackle away from the physios table.
Bring Sahin in but sury to god when Wenger days we need o,e midfielder he means one permanant signing and not a one year loanee, what happens if things dont work out we are going to be back at square one.
Sahin for Jack MVila for Song, Songs money will pay for MVila so no need to worry. IMO opinion RvCs money goes in Llorente, why let him go to Juve for 18 mil, moreover euros, we can pay that. . .its about time we had quality with back up at every position
Songs money has already been spent so the only option is for a loan deal.When will people realise on here that Arsene can only spend what he gets in from the transfers out of players.Bet there wasnt a problem with songs attitue,the club had to sell him to break even.Who else would of brought in 15 million??Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
Yep, he wanted more money, he's got it now :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle
Always knew it was about money on both sides(bad attitude, cancer, was just the usual bs), Song wanted a new contract, and lets be honest Arsenal with the business model, wanted money from his potential sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle
Oh well, it's business, everyone got what they wanted
bollocks. his agent has come out and said that he wanted to reneogaiate his contract. arsenal said wait till september, he said no, used the transfer window to blackmail the club. greedy disloyal ****. tried to blackmail the club who rightly called his bluff and sold himQuote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Our priority after RVP should have been to HOLD on to our best players. After last summer that should have been goal number 1. RVP aside, the sale of Song is unbelievable, it is ridiculous that we are flogging him for for an average price. The offer was nothing special, he had a few years left and now reports are claiming he wanted a new contract. Lessons still havent been learnt, people can try and claim song was a villain etc but the harsh reality is that we need to SELL in order to buy. How anyone can expect to be title contenders is beyond belief, and please enough of this player hunt where if a player has a different opinion, he is 'poison' to the club.
Yes, he tried to renegotiate his contract, which isn't surprising given that he's on $50K a week which is the same as Bendtner, Diaby and Chamakh. I don't know why you mention blackmail, it's simply a worker using the transfer window to strengthen his bargaining position. I think it says more about the board's greed than Song that he was on so little in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
The board surely have to shoulder the blame? How can you defend them in this situation without assassinating Song's character? Somehow i dont think that is the case. Sahin is a great addition though, complimented with Mvilla type of player than i suppose we limited the damage as much as we could. But that is the point, losing Song weakens us extremely, its totally unnecessary of Wenger and co to do it and put us in this position.
It's called transistion and it happens every single summer at Arsenal, if the likes of Theo & Vermaelen have stand out seasons this year they will be off next summer, let's not kid ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by SayNoMore
Transition has been completed a long time ago, this is our 'self sustaining model'. What a load of shite.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...rid-nuri-sahinQuote:
Nuri Sahin is a deep-lying playmaker whom Arsenal want to be able to buy from Real Madrid if he proves a success during his loan spell. Photograph: Peter Dejong/AP
Arsenal continued to negotiate with Real Madrid on Monday over the signing of Nuri Sahin, with the sticking point being what may happen to the midfielder at the end of his proposed season-long loan at the Emirates Stadium.
Arsène Wenger, the Arsenal manager, wants the option to make the transfer permanent but Madrid are reluctant effectively to sign over his rights, in case Sahin were to find exceptional form.
The 23-year-old Turkey international left Borussia Dortmund for Feyenoord on a season-long loan in 2007-08 and the move ignited his career. Feyenoord had no option to buy.
Wenger has long admired Sahin but he has followed him particularly closely this summer as Alex Song edged towards the Arsenal exit. Song has completed a £15m transfer to Barcelona, having undergone a medical on Monday, to leave Wenger with a vacancy in midfield, although the manager did say after Saturday's goalless draw against Sunderland that he is happy enough with the midfield options at his disposal.
He mentioned Abou Diaby and also noted that Jack Wilshere and Tomas Rosicky were on their way back from injury. Arsenal are always cautious when talking about transfers and they do not like to get ahead of themselves.
Madrid have made it clear that they are receptive to the notion of loaning Sahin, with José Mourinho, the Madrid manager, telling him at the beginning of the month that "if you decide to leave, we are going to help you to leave". Sahin moved to Madrid from Dortmund for €10m (£7.8m) last summer but his impact in La Liga was minimal as he struggled in the face of the competition for places from Xabi Alonso, Sami Khedira, Mesut Ozil, Lassana Diarra and Esteban Granero.
Liverpool have attempted to sign Sahin this summer although unlike Arsenal, they do not have Champions League football to offer.
Sahin, a highly technical, deep-lying playmaker, would not appear to be a like-for-like replacement at Arsenal for the imposing Song, even if the Cameroonian is a more creative player than he is sometimes given credit for. He supplied 14 assists in all competitions last season.
Song has departed under a cloud, with his desire to listen to Barcelona's proposal and, latterly, to push for it setting him at odds with Wenger and leading figures at the club, who felt that they deserved greater loyalty. Song's view of his worth to the team also differed from that of Wenger. Arsenal readily accepted Barcelona's bid and there has been the suggestion that Song, because of his highly individual streak, was a bad influence in the dressing-room.
Song feels that any attempts to discredit him have been borne out of Arsenal's need to give the fans an explanation. He believes that he has nothing to prove and the fact that he has joined Barcelona speaks for itself. Arsenal did, though, post a supportive message on their website when they confirmed that the transfer had been completed.
"Everyone at Arsenal would like to thank Alex for his contribution to the club and wish him the best of luck for the future," it read.
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Originally Posted by Joker
he neogaiated his contract two years ago so not getting paid enough is his and his agents fault for agreeing to it in the first place
Don't waste your time ollie.
Some people just cannot stop bashing and blaming the club for everything that happens.
Song has one of the biggest ****s of an agent in top flight football and he did everything he needed to do to get his £4m finders fee.
I do think that song shouldve been on more than £50k a week though, definitely more than bendy and Chakma, but obviously didn't have the patience or loyalty to wait for the transfer window to close.
he seemed happy with his 50k when he was unproven. with the spetember thing, the club called his bluff and sold him. they tested his loyalty with the wait till september thing, it showed him not to be loyal, wenger wants disloyal ****s out, so told him to fuck offQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Oh don't get me wrong, he lapped up that contract when he was a no-one. He was being payed handsomely to not dish out the goods every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
But yeh, they called him and his agents bluff and they weren't happy, so wenger fucked him off and rightly so.
This wasn't a sale to balance the books or because they didnt want to pay song more money and in this situation I believe what the club have said about him and his attitude is true rather than what song and his agent have.
As those that are blaming the club have said, it didnt make any sense to sell song as he was a good player and we have no one really lined up as such as a replacement, they've only sold him to balance the books.
Well no, that tells me that something has definitely gone on behind closed doors between song and wenger, etc that has pissed wenger off enough for him to fuck song off quickly for a fairly low fee considering his contract length.
How can you claim to know anything about these players or suggest other agents wouldnt try and renegotiate a better contract especially considering Chakmakh is on a similar wage. Point is he deserved a better contract, and we should have given him one. Even if we dont, selling him is just ridiculous and makes little sense.
How about reading the topic of the thread and discussing that?
just using chamakh as an example because its fucking irrelevant. when song signed this deal, he was unproven and raw and was fucking delighted to get 50k, chamakh had jsut had a good season and scored quite a few goals iirc, he was able to get more wages based on that. you cannot compare the two because they signed at different points and the club saw them in diffferent waysQuote:
Originally Posted by SayNoMore
So even if we take Chamakh out of the equation, are you really going to say he doesnt deserve to get his contract negotiated?
He had improved and one of our top performers. It seems silly to sell a player if you want to keep him and he wanted to stay just on higher wages. When we can afford to employ shit like squilachi and suddenly people have a problem in rewarding one of your top performers?
do you know what? i am, its his own fault he neogaiated a crap contract and his agents fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by SayNoMore