Exactly people like too many keyboard warriors who come on here Wenger out, Wenger out but fail to do anything when it matters then moan they have been made mugs or were lied too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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Exactly people like too many keyboard warriors who come on here Wenger out, Wenger out but fail to do anything when it matters then moan they have been made mugs or were lied too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
IMO Wenger Out wouldn't fix the problem.
If anyone thinks this board would employ anyone who would cause too much of a stir and demand to spend more money then good luck with that.
this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
AW CAN RESIGN AND GET A TOP JOB ANYWHERE. Why is he still here if he doesn't like what is happening?
look at Mancini and Mourihno or Rafa and their demands when they want something done about their squads; because they they are football men --- not self-annointed fnancial policy experts!
Charlie...what is wrong with you. You're mental and have no consistency. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
yes it would!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
any manager who wants to win but finds the board being greedy will walk!
that means we will keep appointing new managers until the board realise it is costing them more by not giving managers money to invest in the squad.
If you say so.
Call it wishful thinking but fans are actually voting with their feet. I know a couple of people who were not - at all - expecting to be offered a season ticket due to their positions on the waiting list. And they - along with many others, I guess - have declined on the basis of financial reasons and disillusionment with the club. But it's not easy to just 'give up' on the club and I can't imagine any of us who spend so much time discussing tactics and players and such will just be able to stop caring (despite NQ's best efforts). You don't need to stop caring, though. You just need to stop paying. Trying to maintain a big non-local fanbase, particularly abroad, is very tricky to do if Arsenal carry on playing poor football (quality and style) compared to the rest of the top teams.
We can't put any timescale on how long it takes until the club will stop taking the piss but one thing's for sure - it cannot continue forever. It just sucks for us to not know exactly when to expect any long-term change.
No one knows if Wenger leaving will fix the problem.
Its a risk
Time has come to take that risk
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If you say so.
nice one :lol:
And the Board is richer for this. Lets hope he (and his 'cousin') never changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
That is a more sensible position. We've very little to lose - we could (IMO would) slip in to mid-table but I'm not sure it makes much difference any more. The only concern is a slip into mid-table could be a one way one but at some point Wenger's going to go. Not yet though, he keeps meeting the board's targets. Your boss doesn't sack you if you keep hitting their targets and, better yet, take a lot of the flak for the fans' frustration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
gooners - it's a silly 'yes it would'/'no it wouldn't' debate that there's no point in pursuing. None of us really know.
:good: I think this will be my last season as a season ticket holder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
It's not just Arsenal, it's football in general I'm disillusioned with. I don't really care which billionare's play thing beats which other billionaire's plaything. It's long since stopped being a sport.
Wenger is responsible for contract negotiations.....he is the one who has burdened our wage bill....so without Wenger we would have a manager who wouldn't be taking responsibility for things that are outside his remit......
You talking the GW board or crooks raking in the money at the Emirates?Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
That maybe so. . .and I accepted that last year as we went about things in such a desperate manner after Old Trafford we couldnt really ask for much more but. . .and its a big 'BUT'. . .this year we had a chance to push it a bit more. . .to not come across as satisfued with the bare minimum!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Sure we lost another two vital players but we had time to replace them, in fact with regards to RvP we could agrue that we had already but the last straw has to be Song and the way we just banked that money, used it not only balance the books or even make a loss a little easier to bear. . .we made a fucking profit
If the way that we concluded summer business was part of the scraling the barrel for fourth strategy. . .I dont want part of it.
I dont only blame Wenger but where I come from when someone sets a standard ie the board with Wenger, then they expect me to surpass it not just achieve it. . .
Oh im not saying your wrong i agree with you 100% i was just saying the board pay this guy and he bumlicks them sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
On the field i blame him and him only no one else you can't blame the board fot that and if the new manager came in on the field we would be better for it.
Do you really thing if he left Stan would change his approach if you really do then then fine.
Not really i don't pay to go to games never will till Wenger and the board leave eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Spot on i agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
no, it is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
you say wenger is doing what he is told to do! History however suggests wenger has been a stubborn man for years and years an genuinly believes in what heis doing. Nothing has ever pointed to the fact that his hand has been forced by anyone - ever! I don't recall if it was fizmann or whomever that said wenger told thm in o uncertain terms that if they gave him a 100mil to spend he will give it back -- because 'i don't want to bankrupt your club!'
So there is evidence that AW is doing exactly what he wants, which means the board have no reason to upset a steady ship!
Hence if Mourinho/Rafa/Mancini etc or any manager who is expected to achieve top 4 finish is not given enoug funds to invest in his squad, they will walk!
Lets hope so fans need to stop being mugs stand up to this business and hit them where it hurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Jose if you think about it never gets attached to a club so its easy for him to walk away if he thinks he is bing wronged, same with the other too. Where as AW is too attached to Arsenal and he can't just walk away and thats the problem. Is he money hungry or is it he is a power freak and wants to control everything ?Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
We may slate the Pedro dolla clubs but at least their owners are here where is ours back in the states so really Your right Wenger and gazidas more or less run this ship while stan stays silent which suits all party's.
This is why Wenger needs to go now cause its silly to think the board will or sell to the russian guy.
http://m.firstpost.com/sports/why-di...ay-439514.html
Just picked this out. . .I really dont know how well off we will be when the FFP rules kick in and whether in fact we are actually doing things right. . .but as I said we could have a great season and I still will remain mystified about why we didnt bolster the squad yesterday. . .especially after all the comments we heard abd I think thats what makes us so disappointed. . .that the manager actually seems to know we need something and then does nothing.
But maybe its like the article says it isnt that easy. . .
http://m.firstpost.com/sports/why-di...14.html?page=2Quote:
So, why didn't Arsenal buy a player on deadline day? For one, it's harder than you think to sign players. Convincing them takes a lot and Arsenal have nothing to show in the last six years to attract players.
And to still be able to sign their targets is a huge achievement for Wenger.
Secondly, Wenger will sign players only if he is sure of them. He won't splash the cash needlessly. The player he wanted may not be available at all... or the club may have priced him out. Take for example the 25 million pound signing of David Luiz. How did that work out? Defenders are absolutely mint in Europe and Arsenal don't have that spending policy. Actually, they never have.
Arsenal will not be successful by just buying a very expensive player, and Wenger knows that, and that's why he didn't sign anyone.
Got this from that article some interesting points.
Maybe this is a point, maybe players did not want to come to us, i mean why would they when they see star players leaving and not sure where the club is going.
How can you convince a top player to join this debarcle. Wenger and co won't pay them top dollar and as for winning stuff well people will look at this sqaud and think feck that.
and why the fuck does the guy who wrote that thinks we havnt won anything the past 6 yrs?
I agree 1 player won't change everything.
However doing fuck all certainly won't either.
tbf we did win the emirates cup that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
thats quite ironic isn't it. you calling those that question wenger deluded but you blindly defending him from a majority of the responsibility. it's your stance that seems deluded. i refuse to believe the board would not sanction transfer dealings for our longest and most successful manager ever. fergie gets every tom dick and harry at his club even though they're up to their eye-balls in debt, but wenger - who himself approved some of those working above him in the interview process - is being defiantly told he cannot spend any money. that seems quite unrealistic. i know man united are winning trophies so sanctioning transfers may be easier for them but they aren't in the financial situation we find ourselves in. so you could argue that offsets the trophies argument. was it not wenger who said we will 'certainly' sign a defensive midfielder if song leaves? why did we not sign one? if you believe those close to the club he went as far as personally calling sahin and ticking all the boxes only to back out last minute. why would wenger go so far, only to back out last minute? is it because of the board, and if so, why were they happy to sanction benayouns loan last year when we found ourselves short in midfield yet were so against sanctioning sahin this year, when we are in the same situation? maybe the answer is wenger conformed to his usual ideologies i.e. the sudden news of jack coming back triggered a change of heart. if so, it stinks of another summer of wenger stubborness. the reports coming out of the club this morning were of wenger defending his transfer policies once again, he says the same stuff as before, "We have bought already - Lukas Podolski, Santi Cazorla, Olivier Giroud. But when you listen to people, you always have to buy more". Then he goes onto say "What is important is that we believe in the players we have and get our long-term injuries back, like Jack Wilshere". that tells me he's happy with the squad we have and he thinks we are capable of winning something. you yourself say that's not the case but wenger is disagreeing. he's willing to take the same risks, rely on the same crocked players and stick to the same ideologies, but you still don't question his transfer dealings and devoid him of the majority of responsiblity. at the same time, you're happy to blame the board even though they've proven they will back wenger when he has asked for an incoming player. what does wenger have to do for you to question his transfer dealings even though we have actual quotes attributing his decisions to his actions? and more importantly, why would wenger work with handcuffs on when he himself said he will leave if he does not have total control of transfers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
you're happy to give wenger the benefit of the doubt but your stance on the board is the complete opposite. i find that laughable.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
And is all for very well setting up for FFP but if you are starting miles behind the rest it doesnt really matter
Sad thing is we only needed to buy Dempsey and Tiote and that would have been enough even if its till Jan and that would cost less the £30 Mill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
Wenger and the board are 2 peas in a pod.
:good:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
and to not replace him as well...
Diaby is like a new signing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Valmer
who has started the season very impressively IMO :blink:
All I see when watching him now is someone trying to run through mud.
I know its a bit silly to player analyse now and Diaby of all players but he isn't as 'dynamic' as he was before injury so he's kinda had to modify his game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
There is a player in him that can be a stalwart for our first 11 but you know he'll be injured soon anyway, making our decision not to replace Song even shocking then it currently is.
This, not even sure if finishing outside the top for would be better or worse for us this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...a-8099961.htmlQuote:
Everyone knows that football has changed in the last 16 years. But when Arsène Wenger has been recast as a conservative, a hold-out, the last man playing the old game, you know how far we have come.
When Wenger came to John Major's England in 1996, he was a relentless progressive, trying to drag British football out of its long dark ages and into the new millennium. "Wannabe" had just been released, the Labour landslide was still eight months away and Wenger brought with him the idea that 10 pints of lager and a mixed kebab might not be the best preparation for team sport.
It might not sound much now, but at the time people were taken aback. Seeing the game differently from everyone else, Wenger went on to win the Double in his first full season in charge.
But now, 16 years on, English football is a different place. And Wenger, so avant garde for so long, is sat on the other side of history.
Arsenal used to keep their best players. The great Wenger sides were full of players coveted by richer teams, but Thierry Henry, Robert Pires, Patrick Vieira, Dennis Bergkamp and Sol Campbell were all persuaded to stay in north London.
Not any more. With other teams willing to outspend Arsenal, Wenger tries despairingly to rely on the loyalty of his players to his club. And over the last year he has been let down again and again.
After all those defeats, Wenger knows that Theo Walcott could let him down too. He knows that loyalty is not what it used to be. And he wishes that science could provide a solution. "We still have not found a machine which can measure the intensity of love," Wenger sighed this week. "We would all buy it."
It would certainly be of use at Arsenal. Maybe it could be Wenger's next project. If he is ever moved upstairs he could focus instead on this, some great man-scanner to reveal the future intentions of his players. With hard work and luck, it could be ready by the time Barcelona are trying to take Jon Toral and Hector Bellerin back to Catalonia. Or Manchester City's move for Chuba Akpom.
But for now, Wenger is still in charge, still trying to operate in the pre-billionaires era, hoping that decency, stability and a tight wage structure will be enough to keep his favourites.
The players are not the only ones who have left Wenger stranded in the past. The Arsenal manager used to rely on a degree of patience and deliberation from supporters and observers. Now he sees modern hysteria and can only shake his head, bemoaning "modern emotional society.
"There are instant reactions on every single media," Wenger said. "Our society has moved from a bit of distance with events to a highly emotional society, because there is a straight-away reaction from the whole society on every single event that happens. We have moved from a thinking society to an emotional society and we have to live with that."
His critique makes sense. Having arrived when he did, in the emotional austerity of the pre-Blair era, Wenger came to a very different England, where instant reaction meant Sports Report on the radio or the pink paper in a newsagent.
There were things he could count on: the commitment of his players, the tightness of his defence, the patience of fans, the knowledge that no foreign billionaire would tower over Arsenal. With those securities in place, Wenger could embark on his great progressive mission of fitness and science, pioneering Arsenal into the future.
But Wenger finds himself now with the situation reversed. The old pillars have been eroded. The era of foreign money has almost rendered Arsenal's self-sustenance irrelevant. Players can no longer be counted on to stay at the club. Fans retweet rage before the ball has even crossed the line.
And Wenger, the old futurist, is reduced to bemoaning collapse of values, raging against the pace of change, wishing things back the way they were, and praying for the creation of his impossible love machine.
good piece from the independent.
football remains influx every season, an ever increasing circle of overpaid ****s moving from club to club, packing out squads with 'quality' as clubs try to keep up and sky tell us that 'they are going to need new bodies in there to freshen things up'.
i admire wenger for what he believes in, even though it is out of date with current expectations of fans and the modern game. that is why it is time for him to leave. but i'm sure there might be many fans to follow him out of the game too.
nobody has asked wenger to follow the steps of city and chelsea.
but if wenger was truly as intelligent as he is made out to be, he'd already know that.
Sometimes being smart is just being able to adapt. His ancestors did; otherwise he wouldn't be here.
Was fergie stupid to have offered rooney 200k+ a week (to keep him)? Maybe/Maybe not --- but then somtimes needs must.
i think everyone reaches a point where they no longer adapt and stay content as they are. for some people that happens in their teens, so wenger had a good run at it until his 50's.
the articles isn't suggesting he spends like those two, rather that he believes in building stable squads built on astute spending - a time now dead in football.
I agree about Diaby, dont think he is as shit as some make out, in fact he can be extremely effetive, just we havent seen hom plan a handful of consecutive games. . ,maybe from now that may happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Valmer
Its just I see him more a back up than a starter, we are going to just have to wait and see
They played it cleverly this summer, I'll give them that. They signed 3 players which looked like a great bit of business....got people signing up for season tickets again....then once they'd conned people they sold 2 first teamers and got more than their money back.....making the fans look like mugs once again.
A job well done by Wenger and co.