Match Reaction vs Fulham 10/11/12

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10-11-2012, 05:11 PM
jelgoon

I dont actually agree with that. Loads of penalty takers are midfielders and have been traditionally.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Players with character decide who takes it and at the end of the day a striker should take them as it's their job to score, that's unless you have a regular taker with a proven record...which we don't.
10-11-2012, 05:11 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

why are we playing with 1 striker at home? we used to laugh at dalglish for doing it and we laugh at AVB for it but our own manager is doing the same thing.

we have podolski and walcott, 2 players who have openly admitted they want to play there, but we persist on playing with 1 up top. the game was crying out for a switch to 4-4-2.

how can people deny a change of manager won't make us better? our tactics are holding us back, isnt that obvious?

I don't care what anyone says, I think he's a sh*t manager these days.......he's becoming worse by the season, at a smaller club with less resources like Fulham he'd be getting them relegated.
10-11-2012, 05:11 PM
Dicks and chicks

west brom are 4 points above us.

Arsenal :rose:
10-11-2012, 05:12 PM
jelgoon

Players with character? that means we cant take them at all then
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QUOTE=ItsMe;217563]Players with character decide who takes it and at the end of the day a striker should take them as it's their job to score, that's unless you have a regular taker with a proven record...which we don't.[/QUOTE]
10-11-2012, 05:12 PM
Niall_Quinn

Giroud was on for a hat-trick when he passed up that pen? Fucking hell. We are fucked.
10-11-2012, 05:13 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

we dont have a regular taker because in reality we actually dont get penalties. 18 months since our last one at home in the league, we have no idea who is good at them and who isnt.

thats another point however, i think its stupid to moan about giroud not having bottle when today he was our best player, he scored two goals ffs, and people have been slagging him off for not scoring, so he scores two and plays really well so we slag him off instead.

we cant argue about it because we dont know, arteta could have said back off its mine today, in which case how can you blame giroud? arteta has been a great player for us since we signed him and always leads so why shouldnt he take it? he has character. lampard always takes chelsea penalties, yet i never heard you say drogba was weak and didnt have character?

Every team should have a penalty take (not Aterta who not only never scores but has no history of taking any).

How can I say he has no bottle? Simple he's on a hattrick with a chance to get a 3rd and seal it and he bottles it and lets someone else take it......not striker with anything about them would do that.
10-11-2012, 05:14 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Giroud was on for a hat-trick when he passed up that pen? Fucking hell. We are fucked.

Exactly, you've got to be a real coward to pass up the opportunity of a hattrick because there's a bit of pressure.

Another bottled job.

Sh*t penalty by Arteta but he's not a striker at the end of the day, at least he had the guts to come forward and take it.
10-11-2012, 05:15 PM
Master Splinter

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Every team should have a penalty take (not Aterta who not only never scores but has no history of taking any).

He scored against QPR. He was Everton's main penalty taker.
10-11-2012, 05:15 PM
Özil's Panoramic View

*sighs*

Baffling series of events; most of all the decision for one of the worst players from the Spanish golden era, to step up and take such a crucial penalty when our lead striker was on a hat-tirick.

Giroud, what a pussy.
10-11-2012, 05:15 PM
Ollie the Optimist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Every team should have a penalty take (not Aterta who not only never scores but has no history of taking any).

How can I say he has no bottle? Simple he's on a hattrick with a chance to get a 3rd and seal it and he bottles it and lets someone else take it......not striker with anything about them would do that.

yes he's one a hatrick but hwat im saying is, what happens if vermealen as captain said to him, mikel is taking it, or mikel said it, they are in positions of authority over giroud as they are captain and vice captain and he cant argue with them. if it comes out that he bottled it then fine, you are right, but for now we dont know.

btw arteta does score a few goals for us, but dont worry about that.
10-11-2012, 05:15 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Exactly, you've got to be a real coward to pass up the opportunity of a hattrick because there's a bit of pressure.

Another bottled job.

Sh*t penalty by Arteta but he's not a striker at the end of the day, at least he had the guts to come forward and take it.

Agreed.

Undone all the good he did in the game. Utter failure of a human being, Wenger seems to churn out a lot of those now.
10-11-2012, 05:16 PM
jelgoon

Maybe hes got a bad record when he's taken them in the past. Penalties are a mental thing. No point in someone taking them if they think they are going to miss. You need a psycho who has no nerves Peter Storey was the best - he used to stare at the goalies with those mad dark eyes and they would shit themelves.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Every team should have a penalty take (not Aterta who not only never scores but has no history of taking any).

How can I say he has no bottle? Simple he's on a hattrick with a chance to get a 3rd and seal it and he bottles it and lets someone else take it......not striker with anything about them would do that.
10-11-2012, 05:16 PM
Dennis Bendtner

Yeah, let's not jabber on about the penalty eh? Sometimes they miss. It happens. Giroo missed in the COC with his confidence up after scoring his first goal. The spectacular fail of Arsenal's defence is once more the key. We've got form for scoring with 98th minute penalties and still drawing, remember.
10-11-2012, 05:16 PM
RomfordPele

I genuinely think we're only a couple of seasons away from becoming relegation candidates.

You can't sell your best players systematically, year on year, without some pretty dire consequences.

Thumping defeat next week, Walcott off in January and we are in full scale meltdown.
10-11-2012, 05:17 PM
Master Splinter

Rosicky v Sunderland part 2 :bow:.

Arsenal :lol:.
10-11-2012, 05:17 PM
jelgoon

Exactly

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

Yeah, let's not jabber on about the penalty eh? Sometimes they miss. It happens. Giroo missed in the COC with his confidence up after scoring his first goal. The spectacular fail of Arsenal's defence is once more the key. We've got form for scoring with 98th minute penalties and still drawing, remember.
10-11-2012, 05:18 PM
Master Splinter

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

We've got form for scoring with 98th minute penalties and still drawing, remember.

:lol:

:haha:

:crying:
10-11-2012, 05:19 PM
Özil's Panoramic View

Something is very wrong with our marking system, and until we address it, we'll continue to prove just how misleading stats can be.
10-11-2012, 05:19 PM
Globalgunner

Oh so typical

This game typifies everything that is wrong with this current Arsenal. Not only are they not that good technically, have no bottle, cannot defend and are wasteful in front of goal. They cannot even take advantage of good fortune. I was about to post in the match thread that Phil Dowd (big bellied tosser)is kryptonite to Arsenal`s superman. However he wasnt the issue today. We were abysmal as usual. Fulham played very well, we were given an underserved penalty and choked it. Following tis clb is sheer agony at the moment. It is hard to wish them well with the muppet in charge. Onward to the NLD. i am prepared to see the worst happening before things get any better.
10-11-2012, 05:19 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter

He scored against QPR. He was Everton's main penalty taker.

He also use to be a playmaker, since he moved to us he seems to have forgotten how to play attacking football.

Bad choice to take penalties, should have be the guy on a hattrick without question....and if he had bottle it would have been.
10-11-2012, 05:20 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

Yeah, let's not jabber on about the penalty eh? Sometimes they miss. It happens. Giroo missed in the COC with his confidence up after scoring his first goal. The spectacular fail of Arsenal's defence is once more the key. We've got form for scoring with 98th minute penalties and still drawing, remember.

This is true.

Another 2 goal lead blown and the penalty would only have papered over the cracks had it been scored. We just haven't made any progress at all, I don't understand what is going on and how we always seem to end up back to square one. I don't even think we're any better than our 4th place rivals, it's just down to who's going to fuck up the least.
10-11-2012, 05:20 PM
Joker

The biggest worry is that Fulham looked at least as good as us technically.
10-11-2012, 05:20 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

yes he's one a hatrick but hwat im saying is, what happens if vermealen as captain said to him, mikel is taking it, or mikel said it, they are in positions of authority over giroud as they are captain and vice captain and he cant argue with them. if it comes out that he bottled it then fine, you are right, but for now we dont know.

btw arteta does score a few goals for us, but dont worry about that.

But the point is, a hat trick today to win a vital game and suddenly Giroud has arrived. All the settling-in BS is gone and he's made a mark. He had to take it today - it was one of those moments you simply cannot pass up. It just makes no sense. Everything we do is so shit, both on and off the field. It's like a fucking looney bin where absolutely everything is perfectly retarded.
10-11-2012, 05:20 PM
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I don't care what anyone says, I think he's a sh*t manager these days.......he's becoming worse by the season, at a smaller club with less resources like Fulham he'd be getting them relegated.

no he should stay. he'll turn it around in 13 years time because we won the league nearly a decade ago.

oh and he flaps his arms on the touchline

:letters:
10-11-2012, 05:21 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

yes he's one a hatrick but hwat im saying is, what happens if vermealen as captain said to him, mikel is taking it, or mikel said it, they are in positions of authority over giroud as they are captain and vice captain and he cant argue with them. if it comes out that he bottled it then fine, you are right, but for now we dont know.

btw arteta does score a few goals for us, but dont worry about that.

Like I said though, strong players with character would pick up the ball and tell others they're taking them, when it comes to penalties is someone really wants to take it noone will argue.
10-11-2012, 05:23 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

But the point is, a hat trick today to win a vital game and suddenly Giroud has arrived. All the settling-in BS is gone and he's made a mark. He had to take it today - it was one of those moments you simply cannot pass up. It just makes no sense. Everything we do is so shit, both on and off the field. It's like a fucking looney bin where absolutely everything is perfectly retarded.

Totally agree, two goals, full of confidence and he passes up the chance.

Imagine what would happen if we ever had a penalty shoot out, he'd let the goalie take one before he had to!
10-11-2012, 05:23 PM
Ollie the Optimist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Like I said though, strong players with character would pick up the ball and tell others they're taking them, when it comes to penalties is someone really wants to take it noone will argue.

and what happens if arteta did that himself? which he could have done to make up for giving away the penalty to fulham. you are using a pointless argument to slate giroud when you don't know the facts of what happened and ignoring the chance that what you said giroud should do was done by arteta himself
10-11-2012, 05:23 PM
Özil's Panoramic View

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Originally Posted by RomfordPele

I genuinely think we're only a couple of seasons away from becoming relegation candidates.

Ban-able utterance

Lowest form of pessimism I've seen on here tbh
10-11-2012, 05:24 PM
Master Splinter

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

He also use to be a playmaker, since he moved to us he seems to have forgotten how to play attacking football.

Well he did set up a goal today as well. Arteta had a bad game, but has been generally good in a more disciplined role for us. For the position he plays for us, his goal/assist return is more than fine. It's the heat of the moment, but it shouldn't mean facts and perspective go out of the window.

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Bad choice to take penalties, should have be the guy on a hattrick without question....and if he had bottle it would have been.

Well, yes, of course.
10-11-2012, 05:24 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by jelgoon

Maybe hes got a bad record when he's taken them in the past. Penalties are a mental thing. No point in someone taking them if they think they are going to miss. You need a psycho who has no nerves Peter Storey was the best - he used to stare at the goalies with those mad dark eyes and they would shit themelves.

Got to disagree, if you're a decent striker you believe you can score and will want to take it.

A strikers job is to score goals, if he doesn't step up to do his job from 6 yards when he's having a good game it's doesn't bode well.
10-11-2012, 05:24 PM
Kano

hold on, our dodgy defence once again costs us the points and the first and main talking point is about a player that scored two vital goals for us? if all you can see as a fan is complete and utter negativity then there is no point watching. why would you? the issue of him taking a penalty is on the list of concerns but nowhere near the top.

why were we even in that position in the first place, because of giroud? we lose a two nil lead because of our striker? why analyse a game back to front?
10-11-2012, 05:25 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

and what happens if arteta did that himself? which he could have done to make up for giving away the penalty to fulham. you are using a pointless argument to slate giroud when you don't know the facts of what happened and ignoring the chance that what you said giroud should do was done by arteta himself

I doubt that, but either way the striker would take it as he's best qualified in terms of his skill set.
10-11-2012, 05:25 PM
RomfordPele

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Like I said though, strong players with character would pick up the ball and tell others they're taking them, when it comes to penalties is someone really wants to take it noone will argue.

Do you not think wenger has already mandated who takes the penalty? He seems to micro manage everything else.

Think casting aspersions on giroud for this might be hasty. It was probably manager's orders, to be obeyed at all costs.
10-11-2012, 05:26 PM
Ollie the Optimist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I doubt that, but either way the striker would take it as he's best qualified in terms of his skill set.

right so you agree then that drogba was a bottler because lampard always took the penalties then
10-11-2012, 05:26 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

hold on, our dodgy defence once again costs us the points and the first and main talking point is about a player that scored two vital goals for us? if all you can see as a fan is complete and utter negativity then there is no point watching. why would you? the issue of him taking a penalty is on the list of concerns but nowhere near the top.

why were we even in that position in the first place, because of giroud? we lose a two nil lead because of our striker?

Defence is sh*t everyone knows that, it has been for years and will always be under Wenger.....nothing we can do about that.

But to pass up a chance to win the game when on a hattrick, that's another kick in the face.
10-11-2012, 05:27 PM
Joker

OptaJoe ‏@OptaJoe

16 - This is Arsenal's worst start to a league season since 1982-83 when they had only 14 points after 11 games. Unprofitable.
10-11-2012, 05:27 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

right so you agree then that drogba was a bottler because lampard always took the penalties then

Lampard scores a hatful of goals in open play, he's not far off being a striker....he's also got a proven record.

Totally different scenario.
10-11-2012, 05:27 PM
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

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Originally Posted by RomfordPele

Do you not think wenger has already mandated who takes the penalty? He seems to micro manage everything else.

Think casting aspersions on giroud for this might be hasty. It was probably manager's orders, to be obeyed at all costs.

agreed

cesc confirmed it i swear? its all preplanned.

strikers should always always take a pen. i mean they're whole game is based on scoring from inside the box ffs.
10-11-2012, 05:28 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by RomfordPele

Do you not think wenger has already mandated who takes the penalty? He seems to micro manage everything else.

Think casting aspersions on giroud for this might be hasty. It was probably manager's orders, to be obeyed at all costs.

Arteta would IMO, be a odd decision if he has.

Podolski would be the obvious choice (of course he was off in this case).
10-11-2012, 05:29 PM
Ollie the Optimist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Lampard scores a hatful of goals in open play, he's not far off being a striker....he's also got a proven record.

Totally different scenario.

no its not a different scenario. you said strikers are paid to score goals, and scoring from 12 yards is their skill set. yet now you say because lampard score some himself, he can take penalties ebcause he could be a striker. hes a midfielder, drogba a striker, yet midfielder took penalties. you have just shifted the goal posts to suit your arguement giroud is a bottler

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