get the fk out of here "parlours work rate". parlour was nothing in that side compared to the vieira-petit axis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
youre probably the same type of person who thinks jenkinson is a passable player.
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get the fk out of here "parlours work rate". parlour was nothing in that side compared to the vieira-petit axis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
youre probably the same type of person who thinks jenkinson is a passable player.
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Originally Posted by Grebbo
I think what Zimm means is that you needed Players like Parlour, who worked hard. May not have been as good as the rest but did a job when needed and yo could count on him nonstop.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
We don't have players like that, it seems when the likes of Santi and co don't put effort in no one else seems too. The players need motivational players like Parlour etc.
Petit and Veira can't be overlooked. They were a menace and protected our back four well and if you got through them you still had the four horsemen of apoolypse to deal with. Those were the days. But I doubt those guys would have worked their socks off if guys like Parlour weren't around. They wouldn't have been the players and if things were different and they had walked into this sort of mess we are now seeing, they'd have been shit players.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Parlour was no Petit or Vieira but his workrate was important none the less, he was part of the machine....not the same amount of talent as the other guys but despite that he more than made up for it by busting a gut every time he played.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
is this the same parlour who ridiculed glenn hoddles back room staff (that faith healer)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
oh hes a local lad so he must be good/a role model
no, he had a good season that year but he was totally replaceable. vieira and petit would have been just fine without him.
go back to buying quality rather than giroud, gervinho, chamakh, podolski and nobody would be worrying about passion.
he was park of the machine, correct. nothing was "based" on ray facking parlour.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
the days when workers could have made the difference are gone. that was the fabregas, rvp, nasri and an in form arshavin era were we had the quality but all bar RVP were lazy for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
now we simply dont have the quality. workers wont save our forward line, which imo is worse man for man than swanseas. pablo hernandez and michu would walk into this side and id take dyer over oxlade and gervinho.
Quite right too!Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Fuckin mumbo jumbo.
because they are one of two 'better' average teams in an average league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
it's a fundamental human flaw - not knowing when to stop or realising when your best years have passed. some people have it but most people don't. it's times like this when you need a loved one or someone close to pull you aside and say 'you know what mate, the games up. go enjoy your retirement and let someone take it from here'.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
Spot on, Its only thanks to RVP the mancs have been good. Imagine had we kept him. We'd be up there by now. Even Rooney has been woeful by his standards, or thats the real him all along. If not for RVP they'd be no where.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Spot on were are so lucky the quality of this league has been por this season, otherwise we could have been on to some beatings tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
It's a combination of quality and pride - that is what we need in the squad. Ridicule players like Parlour all you want, but that old school Arsenal squad helped teach the new players the traditions of Arsenal and the English league. Man for man, our team is better than Swansea and it shouldn't be a case that we need new signings to beat Swansea and Norwich. Is that what it's come down to? We need to spend an extra £50m-£60m to beat these teams? Wenger has lost the dressing room and I can't see why it's us that need to spend money to beat these teams while Norwich and Swansea can operate and a show string budget and beat us convincingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
All teams lose in football to lower leage opposition but this has become a pattern for us and i really don't know when we'll hit good form again. Wenger has poor motivational skills and that's why we need players that can call for discipline and focus on the pitch and in the dressing room while Wenger does his arm around the shoulder therapy stuff. I thought we had those players with Verms, Arteta and Merts in the squad but I get the feeling something broke when we agreed to sell RVP to Man Utd, sold Song and still haven't sorted out Theo's contract, three of our best performers from last year wiped out in a matter of months.
Wenger doesn't learn and he did this shit with Flamin and Hleb. That broke the team spirit and caused bitter in fighting. He did it again with the sale of Cesc and Nasri. The team were totally flat at the start of the season but we gathered confidence when the club bought Arteta and Merts on deadline day. In fact, that lifted us all a bit and it looked like we were heading in the right direction for once. I was prepared to give Wenger more time to develop this squad. But then the idiots go and mess things up with the sale of our captain and midfield powerhouse. They have well and truely broken the squads spirit and fans. I'm not surprised to see the team struggling now because it's sheer incompetence on display.
You're really harsh on Parlour, I saw his 1st game for us and thought he was brilliant then, his work rate and engine were a real asset.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Not the most talented I agree, but he gave us a lot with his chasing back, tackling and forward runs...I'd take him and put him in this team in a heartbeat and he was an important part of that winning team as well.
Once again though Ferguson plays a big part, he signed RVP and of course makes the team perform beyond their capabilities.....and he openly criticises them when they don't perform as he thinks they shoud and credit to him for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Won't disagree on that. look at the goals they have conceeded yet they are still top of the league. We keep RVP im telling you the confidence remains, Santi and Poldi look good happy days.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
From Stan to the fans just seems to be this negatitvity all around. Its horrible to think our fans fight each other at matches. Not good days tbh not good days.
he's a wanker in a long line of wankers.
an absolute pussy with no backbone. he's the type of person who sleeps with every part of his body under the covers in case the monster comes out at night and eats his feet if he leaves them uncovered.
an anorexic, delusional bitch for the corporate quo.
I can honestly say I dont see how we have better players back to front than Swansea, certainly not in the forward areas and thats where games are won. Pablo Hernandez for me is considerably better than every single on of our forwards (inc wingers), Rangel is superior to any full back at the club bar Sagna who cant stay fit etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
plus I accept the rest of your point about lacking spirit and so on.
wenger is finshed in so many ways its frightening.
Let's not get carried away here. Swansea are a well oiled machine and function like a team. If Wilshere, Kos, Verm, Sagna, Walcott, Cazorla...etc were integrated into their system and had back to back seasons playing under former manager Rogers, they'd be a lot higher up the table.
At the moment, we have collection of individual players and no team. There is no cohesion or unity and that is why Swansea play better than us.
Is this the argument about Wenger's previous successes being able to buy him time with the club and see out any remaining years on his contract? (Apologies if not) Thing is, I was thinking about this very thing and trying to relate it to Liverpool under Benitez. Even Hicks and Gillett (the best a man can get) could see that Benitez had lost it and needed another man to take the club forward, in spite of Rafa's previous successes in the Champions League and FA Cup. This, in arguably Liverpool's worst period running as a football club. Two bumbling fools who couldn't get on and knew as much about "soccer" as Alex Ferguson knows sobriety STILL had the wherewithal to sack Benitez because they knew it was the correct decision.
I think the only way our money-obsessed club will have the wake-up call to sack Wenger is through empty seats and fewer fans coming through the turnstiles at the Emirates. It's a little more difficult with Arsenal, methinks, seeing as there are always supporters waiting in the wings for seats and 60,000 brand new fans could fill out the stadium in the space of a week.
Horrible scenario all round with the club at the moment :(
Just where are those supposedly 60k brand new fans coming from? I thought most modern day fans were glory hunters, and since there's no glory to be had around these parts, I find this revelation to be quite shocking.
It be interesting to know how many prawn sandwich bridgade fans we have and how many passionate fans out of the 60,000Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
I don't know how there can be a waiting list to pay the highest prices around and yet get to watch dogshite on the pitch with no real effort and hunger from the players.
It's like going to the Fat Duck and being served a McDonalds Burger.
it's market prices. the fish and chips are stupid prices BUT people still buy them because they can afford to. the club know they can charge that price. anything like cigarettes, alcohol, shit food and things like football will always survive as people want an escape. its all that hope/mystery and fantasy bs that we wrap up into our minds about these things that will always make them seem desirable and most importantly for the fucks selling them, essential.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I go because I'm an Arsenal fan and I love my Club.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
As any football fan should go to watch their team.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
That's a contradiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
No it is not.
I may fall in and out of like with the Club and its direction, but I'll always love it. Being an Arsenal fan is a part of who I am.
You (the fans) putting money into the shareholders pockets is bad for the club, that's what allows them to treat the fans with contempt and get away with all the things they get away with. Until they realise it's not a gravy train they can just take for granted nothing will change.
Whether you like it or not that's the reality.
No its the fans who buy season tickets year upon year cause they can and don't turn up to game every week who are bad. Its the fans (prawn sandwhich brigade) who just go there cause its like a nice day out for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Fans like GB and WW and Ach, go because they love the club, they go because they have seen some amazing times at the ground. They don't go because they believe in what the club is doing. I agree fans need to make a stand, but ours love this club too much do do that. Which is where some get sucked in.
You got Sky?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
The reality is I am an Arsenal fan through good and bad - I may go less as a form of protest, but I'll never stop completely. Unless you are someone who lives trhe matchday experience, you'll never know or be able to comment on what it means. Through Arsenal, I've had some of the most enjoyable days of my life - experiences I'll take to my grave. I've met wonderful friends and share great times with them - now I share these times with my son and even in recent years the vast majority of matchdays have been positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
It's all the same in the end, it's money in their pockets, they don't care how it gets there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
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Originally Posted by Injury Time
Zimm :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Not putting money into Arsenal or Sky sports Pockets.
You can meet wonderful friends anywhere to be honest, just because you've met some through football it doesn't make them any different to meeting friends in other ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
If you're getting what you want out of this that's fair enough, clearly you've had some great times (again those who don't watch football would say they've had some of the best times doing something else) but it then surely means you're getting what you want and it isn't so much about the club (which is fine too), the truth is though that until the money stops rolling in for them they'll take all of this for granted an never have any interest in the fans concerns.
I don't have a problem with the through thick and thin approach, this is however slightly different for me, it's basically money men doing whatever they want with no repercussions, this isn't the old we're going through bad times on the pitch issue, it's to do with people who don't give a sh*t about what happens on the pitch...it's not football.
I supported Arsenal through the Graham days and we had some bad times too, but that never bothered me, I really enjoyed that period (despite what some might say) you win some you lose some.....what does is people taking the p*ss and not giving a damn about football or the fans.
Not saying they don't care how it gets there. Im saying not all fans go because they love the club or are passionate. Some see it as a day out. Some have season tickets but won't even go.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Like I said, if you don't go, you won't understand. Through Arsenal, I've met and become friends with people from backgrounds so varied that I never otherwise would have - and really it is that that is worth more than any trophy the Club will ever win.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Where else will I meet a Bangladeshi from Indianapolis?