I don't understand how anyone could be so pig headed - especially with so much at stake. Even if you stumble on a winning formula, accept it and leave well alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
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I don't understand how anyone could be so pig headed - especially with so much at stake. Even if you stumble on a winning formula, accept it and leave well alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Technically, those guys were better. Chamakh's hold up play was better and he could control a ball. Bendy was on and off with his touch but very good in the air and could at least hit a shot properly. Poor, poor players. But I think we have hit a new low with this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
had he started with the team that finished the game i am convinced we would have won, the guy's stubborness is bordering on the obsessive....he seems psychologically unable to make a tactical substitution until the 67th minute. The guy probably eats sandwiches with a knife and fork.
Only saw last 10 mins or so, really laboured to create anything in that time though, when we did Arteta messed it up (don't know what happened to this guy once upon a time he was good).
Saw a few up and unders to Giroud and although he wins headers they don't really seem to be very accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxB-H6f3crYQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
It's unbelievable. Couldn't believe when I saw the squad selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
one that i enjoyed as a football match. is that ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
What did you enjoy about it?
tense, competitive and end to end at times. sure, the style of football wasn't great but that doesn't always make an enjoyable game. i had no problem with it. i won't be screaming about lost points that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Podolski, Rosicky, Ox and Gervais - most, if not all of them deserve to be involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I've felt more tense after taking valium personally......but each to their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Exactly, can't fathom why they didn't play/start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Wenger is obviously on a mission to prove something to someone again....possibly that chap he sees everyday - in the mirror.
Gerv can do one. After that 45 against Norwich I can't bear to watch him again. A couple of goals then he can't even pass two yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Ironically that's what happened pretty much throughout the game from both teams tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
He's an idiot. The comments today about Wilshere just proved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
In any other walk of life Wenger would be sectioned under the law and locked away in an asylum. If he was in charge of a company he would take them into banjruptcy and pay himself out of the workers pension fund. Crazy man. He knows what is right but does the wrong thing just to spite the people who dare suggest he do it the right way
Fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
I for one found it a terrible game between 2 run of the mill average sides devoid of any quality, incident or excitement.
He's a freak but he's still capable of producing something even if he doesn't know himself what he's doing. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Pretty sure it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
If spuds win all their games, they are on 76 points. If Chelsea win all their games bar the spud one, they also finish on 76. Most we can get is 75
Did we win the game against Norwich ? Yes . That 's what count the most .Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Nelson
I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt . Many strikers struggle in their first season in England . Once they are adapted to they game , they make those who criticize them eat their words .Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr
I enjoyed it too and thought overall it was a good performance. After the first 15 minutes when Everton started brightly we took charge and looked good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Giroud is not as bad as some are making out but he's no RvP. To be fair not many players are. He's done well for a first season but he's not a world class, clinical striker. If we had one we'd have won that tonight.
Disappointing and frustrating result but can't fault the performance too much.
Ramsey was outstanding. Thought Cazorla did well. Wilshere looked better than Saturday but still needs more match time. Walcott added very little.
Ah ok. Fairly unlikely though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
I'm not even asking for a World Class striker. I'd settle for one that can strike a ball properly, can control a pass and sort their feet out when taking a shot. He's in Gervinho territory with some of his clumsiness. A player of Eduardo's standard would do. Even Adebayor.
Also, Wilshere looked worse and we can't afford to give him match time if he's going to play that badly. We looked a lot better once he went off.
Is Rosicky out till next year then? He will come and put in 2 good performances for everyone to call him world class and he will fuck off again to the treatment table. What a waste of resources. Biggest flop in AFC history!
He was on the benchQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Ref was hardly at faultQuote:
Arsène Wenger spoke to the media after the Everton game. Below is a transcript of the press conference:
on the performance…
My first answer is that we should have won the game. The second, it keeps us still in a strong position in the race for the top four. Basically, the game was very intense physically. I felt that in the first half the referee didn't deal at all well with the intimidating physical challenges, but that we responded well to the physicality. We had fantastic commitment. It was detrimental a little to the fluency of our game, but we kept going and had good concentration. The regret I have is that we had the chances to score. Maybe we used power instead of technique too much in our finishing. And, the second regret I have is that with the number of set-pieces we had at home, there has to be a goal. Apart from that, I can only congratulate the team for the spirit and commitment.
on Darron Gibson's challenges...
Yes [he should have been sent off]. I never speak to the referee. I don't know why [he wasn't], honestly. He should have had a yellow card already before the first one.
on Everton's tackling...
That's part of the game. We had to deal with that and the referee has to make the right decisions. Apart from that, it was a game of huge intensity, a fight for both teams. You have to respect the effort Everton put in. They decided to make it very physical for us to disturb our game and sometimes went a little bit over the edge, but the referee had to make the right decision. I don't blame Everton for that. 'Protecting' is a big word, but they have to make the right decisions.
on having chances to win...
I do not want to comment on every decision of the referee. Despite all that, we had the chances to win the game. We can only look at ourselves and next time try and take our chances. We are on a very strong run with a fantastic run so we do not want to complain too much about what didn't go for us. Let's look at ourselves, come back in the next game and win it.
on where it leaves them…
We have 60 points and I believe, against Everton, we dropped two. But if we win our coming games we'll get there. The other teams have 58 with a game in hand but they play each other. We just don't want to depend on the results of the other teams. What is the most important thing is to win our next game. My belief was always strong and still is. I'm confident we'll do it. The best way is to put the same effort into the next game.
on Gibbs coming off...
He was tired. Just fatigue.
Yeah, we were pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Nelson
First and foremost, it's a disgrace a shit like Giroud is at this club. Fucking joke. It's hard to believe but we've scoured the earth and managed to find a worse striker than Chamakh. ****.
Walcott. Fucking hell. That kid is stealing from us.
Wenger. Another shit starting line up that totally ignored the form of the players.
Moyes. Do we really want an anti-football **** like that as our manager?
Otherwise plenty of industry but hardly any technique. This is such a poor Arsenal team. Spent most of the match fuming at how shit we are at passing, positional play, crossing. Desperate stuff. Everton just as bad of course.
Any plus points? Another decent performance from Ramsey. He does much better in these low quality clog ups. He certainly had a better touch than Cazorla or Arteta today.
But Giroud... Fuck me, what a useless **** he is.
Two home points chucked down the drain, a chance to tighten the screw on our rivals. No surprise we blew it. We usually do.
He was dreadfully at fault when he made up new rules to keep Gibson on the pitch. No point having rules if they change between the kick off and the final whistle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Didn't get to see the game, thanks to which ever nebulous deity....
From all accounts, it seems it was our usual shit performance, only this time no goal to make the rotten stinking excrement a bit bearable.
I'm now convinced Wenger has a mental problem. How the fuck could he come out with a statement like that about Wilshere and then have him in the 1st team just a few hours later? But heh, who the fuck are we to question Le Boss? None of us has been a manager for 30 years. He needs to gtfo the club now. I had begun to soften my stance on him, but this man never seems to learn. Was back to his silly team selection again and pre-planned subs.
CL footie or not, the main concern should be that we'll likely finish the season some 25 points off the winner. Fucking awesome, right? Especially considering how shit the mancs are.
Summer will come and we'll sell a couple of players - Podolski seems to come in handy here.... Renewal of season tickets will be of paramount importance to the profiteering leeches, so of course, we'll be farcically linked with all sort of top players who want to make a move to the PL, only to see the addition of a few more dross.
By winter, we'll be out the title race again, but no worries, the quest for the virtual trophy will be on in ernest.
We all know the rest. Fucking ground hog day all day, every day for the last 7 seasons.
Pathetic! :headbang:
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Originally Posted by cheesy bites
Don't give in to the WUMmness of others
Giroud has 17 goals and 13 assists from 44 games.
In terms of league goals, Cazorla has 12, Walcott and Giroud both have 11.
Giroud is not a world class, clinical striker but he's nowhere as bad as some on here are making out. For a first season in a new league he's done fine.
We should also be mindful of just how misleading stats can be.
There are games against shit teams in which we score next to obscene amount of goals with some players picking up braces and hat-tricks, pushing there goal tally up.
Then there are crunch games where a goal or two are needed, but we simply no longer have a TH14, Bergkamp or an RvC to do exceptional.
Blame the manager, if we had an exceptional striker we wouldn't need to be so reliant on hit and miss players like Giroud and Theo.
I understand the frustrations about Bif though, as this type of striker is not my cup of tea. I prefer smaller, clever and instinctive strikers. Rather than big battering ram types who are tasked with bringing others into play, I think it limits them and generally they're not selfish enough to be clinical.
Giroud has been pretty poor in the first half of matches just recently, and then seems to up his game a bit in the second half.
I didn't think he was that awful last night. The one he blasted over was annoying, as he should have hit the target, but the lay back ball wasn't on for him, so it was a difficult angle, where you need to get power behind the ball.
He was unlucky with the two "open goals" as there was some astonishingly good defending for both to get the toe in.
He's not Henry, he's not Bergkamp or RVP. He was 12 million quid, and with 17 goals, that represents pretty good value for money.
We do need better. We need world class. But he's not "shit". Just unlucky that he plays for a team that has been graced with superhuman strikers for 20+ years in Wright, Henry, Bergkamp and RVP.
Fine, I agree with that. Giroud isn't exceptional. We don't have a truly exceptional striker and we need one if we're going to push to the next level.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoringBoringArsenal
But some of the comments about Giroud are ludicrously over the top. For a first season in a new league he's done fine.
Pretty much. He's not good enough to be leading the line, probably the worst "main" striker we have had at the club in Wenger's tenure.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
He'd make a very good backup striker though.
Anybody else worried that we never seem to get a grip of the BIG games? Any team we have faced who are above us or around us close to us in the table we have struggled against.
I don't expect us to beat every team we face but I am pretty disappointed how we have fared in the BIG games.
He’s far from exceptional. Let’s get this out the way and stop comparing him to Henry and RVP. He should be compared to Adebayor, Chamakh, Bendy and maybe Eduardo. His goals stats are good but I think he’s technically one of the worst players we’ve had. Thankfully, he’s brave, not lazy and works. If he didn’t have that in his locker we’d be sunk. But we really need better for next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters