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That shortarse keepy uppy idiot from the t mobile ads is more skilled than any if them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsene Wonga
Doesn't mean he'd be an effective footballer.
I don't know why vela is such utter gash when you play him in a proper premiership match. If it works for him in
La liga fair play move on
Pluschamakh will look half decent this season. Palace are playing line striker and you'd expect any centre forward to
Bang a few in for them. He's still crap though.
But of a generalisation there though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsene Wonga
Actually maybe not. I'm in greater manchester this weekend
Grim.
As I said I reckon confidence and being played in the right position for him are the reason, some players can't play in every position on the pitch like Wenger wants, sometimes you just have to play them where they are at their best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nayan
Chamakh was never decent to be honest, I called him out when he was at Bordeaux tapping in 2 yarders and doing little else but running around like a headless chicken.
Anyway he's gone but my point was really that with us not signing anyone he'd be a better option to have than we currently have.
Maybe, I don't mind women in the UK, just saying there's some beauties in Spain, not too keen on the whole women drinking till they're off their faces thing though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nayan
ramsey was played out of position on the right wing. guess what he did? worked hard, never complained and is now in the middle of the midfield playing superb football.
vela couldnt hack it, being played out of position is a poor excuse as he jsut couldnt be arsed to work hard, like arshavin. there are players who are played out of position. ramsey has even been right back a few times, he just gets on with it! vela failed because he is weak, mentally and physically, couldnt be arsed to work hard.
Like I said not every player can play out of position, Ramsey has been dogshite for 2 years incidentally, it's just that Wenger likes him so plays him a lot...that's what Wenger does stick to his favourites regardless of how bad they play. That in itself is a problem as some players don't get a fair crack because of it.
Never thought Vela got a decent chance, the odd half game here and there isn't enough to get a run of form, you need to play a few games, even the great Bergkamp took 7 consecutive games to score a goal when he first arrived.
Not often I agree with you but yeah spot on (ollie)
That's bullshit. Ramsey is shit on the wing and will always be shit on the wing. What made you think Vela is lazy? Cos he doesn't run like a headless chicken everyday? To say Vela failed because he is weak itself is a weak argument. He failed because he never gets to play to his full strength, period. Ramsey would still be shit if Wenger slotted him on the wing, period. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Vela got plenty of chances here. It's easy to say in hindsight we should've kept him here or played him more, but he was never going to get past RVP while he was here and didn't impress enough when he did play.
I'm glad to see him doing well though. He's a very likeable guy and always has a smile on his face.
He had better players in front of him and never really impressed with the game time he had, bar a few fancy goals in cup games. Meh.
Hard to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I'm not sure Chamakh or Bendtner can be considered "better" to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
They were, which shows how crap he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsene Wonga
Plus, he was competing with Adebayor, RVC, Eduardo, Arshavin and Nasri more so than those two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
He was shit for us
Good to see he's doing better though away from us.
So called arsenal curse :rose:
If (and im not saying you are, but just for completeness, like) one were looking for evidence of wenger's mismanagement
Then a conspiracy theory with Carlos vela being shit as the punchline is barking up the wrong tree
I never felt he had the strength to deal with the physical aspects of English Football and to be honest i almost feel like Messi wouldn't do as well playing in the Premier League as he does playing in La Liga
I'm glad Vela is doing well at Real Sociedad as generally i like all ex Arsenal players to do well for themselves as long as
a) They don't score or play well against us
b) They aren't cunts....and I wouldn't put Vela in that category
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I reckon we need to give kiwomya another chance.
The kid was played out of position and never got enough games in the first team anyway. It's hard to compare Vela with Ramsey in that regard because Ramsey would start game after game on the right or get subbed on. Ramsey even racked up a whole season playing in his favoured position a year before so he was given way more time to adapt even when he had back to back poor games, he'd never get dropped. Vela could score in the Carling Cup and play a good game but he'd never get a start in the first team following that game. That's got to mess with your confidence and then when you finally get 10 minutes to play and you look nervy or don't do enough in the game you may start trying to force things to happen as we saw last season with the Ox. If you don't speak up for yourself you will get left behind. Remember the story about Theo demanding and answer on why he's not starting games? It's not the way to develop players and why we have to send so many players on loan to get some bloody confidence.
Vela is currently playing on the right wing and that's where he should have played for us. No idea why Wenger does this. Left footers on the right and right footers on the left. It would make their lives so much easier.
Project youth has been a huge waste of time. We pursued Vela and held off from buying proper strikers because Wenger wanted to wait on him. During the window, like what we're seeing now, when talking to the press he'd justify his summer inactivity by rattling off the amount of players we have in certain positions and Vela would get included in that bracket? 'I buy a striker, where do I play them'? If he'd have actually stood by Bendy, Vela and these players to this day, then I could at least understand the inactivity to an extent. But what really pisses me off is the fact that he's gotten rid of these players and there are new batch of players he's using as an excuse not to buy. There is no point in clearing up shit to pile more shit on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsene Wonga
Sanogo is the new Vela and that's what's so infuriating. If we don't buy anyone in September and he talks up Sanogo, Gnarby and anyone else, if he talks that shit about his convictions and doing what's right for the club, not being dictated to by the press and fans, then someone needs to ask him about Vela, Djourou, Senderos, Denilson, Bendy, etc and go to town on him. What the heck happened with those players because his convictions lead him to believe hose players were the future of this club, yet he's gotten rid of them. He was wrong before, why is he right today? Why should we trust again?
Exactly right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
As for why Wenger does it, well he wants every player to play in alien positions for some reason, he's really clueless...there's not much he's good at these days, can't seemingly even pull off any decent transfers in 3 months.
Again I agree, it has been a waste of time, it's been going on years and has heeded no rewards, sure there's been the odd talent here and there but in reality no more than any club not following a youth policy strategy and we've wasted a lot of money as well on signing them and wages (even if we have got some back in transfers on some players).Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Noone ever asks him the right questions, no one ever points out the past seasons and what has actually happened, his former players and his broken promises, all we get is patronising BS from him about how it's hard to make transfers, players aren't available, sometimes 3 clubs are involved, how the media wanted him to sign English players and now they want foreign ones....he's just doesn't get it and worse doesn't care about the fans.
The day he leaves will be a happy one for me, I can't stand the way he conducts himself or tries to build a team (or not as may be the case).
didn't give vela a proper chance nor campbell , even though they are both better than giroud
Yes.
I was on Team Vela since 2005, so no Wumget did not give him a proper chance.
The 4-3-3 killed his progress at Arsenal. Vela is a big time talent that could have helped us and Wumget messed with his development.
Glad he is doing well at Sociedad and I am sure he will move on to a bigger club soon. Just hope its not in the premiership.
He is the only non-Arsenal player I still root for to do well.
The other issue with Vela was Mexico constantly calling him up for pointless friendlies. He would travel to the other part of the world to play a Friendly on Wednesday, and would have no chance to play on Saturday. He needed to establish himself at the club level first before he left.
His career took off after leaving Arsenal and taking a sabbatical from Mexico.
Did we give Vela a proper chance? Are we giving Campbell a proper chance?
Probably didnt give him a proper chance, but to be fair he doesn't seem like the kind of player we want at the club anyway. Apparently his attitude stinks....doesn't get picked for Mexico anymore, has created a playboy/party boy image for himself.
Joel Campbell I just don't get that, if Wenger doesn't rate him at all why not just send him out on loan....instead of bringing him into the first team squad.
We didn't give Vela a 'proper chance' but that's not such a big deal. It happens all the time, and letting Vela go is hardly the worst of the lot. Just look at Ferguson letting Pogba slip through his fingers :lol:
How much mileage can you get out of such a debate! lol....
Fairness doesn't really come into it. It should be phrased like... did he get sufficient game time for the ability he had and level of performance he showcased. To be pedantic.
On the gooner podcast they were asking why we let Seb Larsson go.... some people waffle on about giving Upson a chance...Jay Emanuel Thomas....the list goes on. I Can't say I am genuinely fussed about a single one of them.
Though I did like Vela's trade mark chips....... and no I don't mean the kind you eat as he for a while grew an obsession with. Not a joke either....I read an interview from him years ago about becoming partial to eating McD's and Burger King.
I think the answer is pretty obvious.
Yes. We gave him ample chance.
:lol:
NQ without his meds :bow:
Wenger OUT!
NQ on his meds :bow:
I think his "meds" are mostly whisky and vodka.
And all the chemicals that turned the frickin frogs gay!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters