Just check out their icons/quotes........gormless bunch of knuckle dragging troglodytes :p ....................with apologies to troglodytes everywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
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Just check out their icons/quotes........gormless bunch of knuckle dragging troglodytes :p ....................with apologies to troglodytes everywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
A bit harsh. Flamini was pretty solid and Stoke weren't really a threat to us even though they had more possession than usual. MOTM for him. He's slotting in and covering well. Ramsey and Ozil weren't really helping on the defensive side of things to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Giroud wasn't that bad. Some bad touches and moments from him but he did his usual hard work and helped on the physical side with defensive headers and knock downs. Wilshere struggled in that game. 6 rating max for him.
Theo.....we passed poorly and really hard to say if we missed Theo because he doesn't contribute much further back in the field. Holding the line and looking to get in behind might not have been enough for that game.
The midfield trio needs work. Ozil will drift and contribute in the final third but we're still missing that player that will just keep the ball moving and control our tempo. Will be interesting to see what happens when Cazorla and Rosicky are back. Arteta is also fit and maybe he can get back to playing as a CM and move away from defensive duties.
Yeah pretty clear it was for the orcs else he'd have done it after his first goal of the season like Stewart Downing.
apparently he tapped his ankle before the shh? dont remember seeing that myself
and according to fans at the ground, after sagna scored, chesney made the wanker sign at the orcs :lol:
Flamini is doing quite well in his role but there is still a lot of space in front of the centre-backs much of the time. We'll get better with Arteta playing there.
As long Flamini is fit to play, Arteta would be warming the bench IMO. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
It was the same last season with Arteta. Only so much one man can cover but with Flam at least we get that energy required to cover ground and that nasty streak to go in hard when needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
Not just would but Should as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by milla
Can see Arteta being sold at the end of the season...not that he's done anything really wrong since he's been here but i think he's surplas to requirements.
surplas to requirements? yes our bench in recent weeks shows we can just kick out players like Arteta at the end of the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Let's be fair these people are provincial troglodytes....and i can make that assertion after a year of living in Hanley in Stoke on Trent, not a day passed without people (not homeless i should add) begging in the street for money.....the amount of examples i saw of hostility towards racial minorities, alcohol related violence and not to mention a pawn shop on every street corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
You'd be hard pushed to find a bigger dive in the entire country.
We can't stick Arteta up front, on the wing or in defence.....the areas where we are light so yes he is surplass to requirement....considering when we have everyone fit we have eight players vying for three positions in central midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
He's competing with Flamini for one position, that hardly makes him surplus.
When are Podolski and Ox coming back? We need them to have more options up top?
podolski could be back for napoli apparently. same with Santi.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Ox is out till christmas i think
What happened to Ox? :(
Did he tear ligaments? I remember him being stretched off in the Villa game..
I think Podolski and Oxlade were ruled out for a similar period of time (2-3 months), I don't expect to see them for at least another month.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Hope Cazorla does indeed make it back soon though.
Oh you mean the position that he doesn't naturally play in and has just been shoe-horned into even though he's not particularly that good at it and is far more of an offensive midfielder. So yes he is surplus to requirements, but it hardly matters because like i say he will be here for the rest of the season at least....and if we get rid of Rosicky and Diaby as well like we should we can perhaps bring in another defensive minded midfielder for the cover for Flamini that you think we need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
So from next season we would have Ramsey (who i am still far from convinced about), Wilshere (same as with Ramsey), Ozil, Cazorla, Flamini and someone else.
think it was the mirror (might have been the mail) who siad he was making good progress and napoli was a target. i think Podolski will be back by end of ocotber. perhaps the second round of COC if we get through would be a realistic targetQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
get rid of arteta and rosicky? what are you on? both bloody good squad players, who can do a job. are professional, leaders on the pitch. getting rid of them would be stupid. even if they are just squad players, they are bloody good options
I'm not even Arteta's biggest fan, but I can say he's of vital use to our squad. He isn't a natural "DCM" if that's what you mean, but then you can say the same thing about Pirlo, Xavi and at a stretch Alonso. All of them are deep lying playmakers who have a defensive game based on interceptions. It's a different type of game to a physical imposing DCM like Gattuso, De Rossi or even Flamini.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
His position is certainly in our midfield two though. If you are suggesting that his natural position is higher up the pitch, then you are very mistaken. When he first started making a name for himself over a decade ago, it was as a deep lying playmaker from Barcelona at Rangers. That was, is, and has always has been his "natural position" despite his creative exploits at Everton.
While he isn't a natural combative DCM, he's a good competition for Flamini and helps solidify our midfield. Perhaps not a starter, but a great squad player, whether it be for this season or the next. We currently have ONLY 4 players I am content with sitting in our double pivot - Ramsey, Flamini, Arteta and Jack. He's crucially important to our season.
I don't think it was. Arteta and Ramsey together was a good combination for us last season and filled space very well to help the defence. Arteta also picked the ball off the technically limited centre-back (Mertesacker) from deep allowing us to build attacks. I can see why people like Flamini's work rate but he's not exactly doing anything amazing. He was a good free transfer when we could have got ripped off signing a dud. As far as balance goes Arteta should come back in in my opinion. Christ knows how the idea that he's not good at his job has come this far. As far as the long term goes, we'll be looking for someone with similar qualities but obviously younger and more mobile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Anyway, as far is match reaction to the game, I'm delighted!
Chensey has been solid for a while now. Caught absolutely everything cleanly and was decisive which is all you can ask for.
Back 4 were solid. Captain Mert in particular stood out. I'm happy with him being our first team captain. He should get the job permanently.
Flamini and Ramsey have formed a great partnership. Regarding the whole Arteta returning situation, I'd say if it aint broke - don't fix it. Those two work great together, and it's nice to have options. Glad Arteta is back though as they could certainly do with a break.
Ozil was pretty anonymous yet got 3 assists, as ridiculous as that sounds!
We didn't miss Theo much. Don't think this was the sort of game he'd thrive in, and Gnarby was good at showing for the ball and retaining it.
Jack had an up and down performance. Many are slating him for it but I think he put in a good display and it's something to build on. I must say I do worry for him though. For such a small guy he doesn't know how to protect himself. He loves going for those balls even when there's a guarantee he'll get crunched hard after. I know he's brave and that's great, but he's no use to us injured. He needs to protect himself a bit better.
Giroud I think again is getting unfairly slated. He just went up against one of the most imposing, nasty and aggressive CB pairings in the league, and left with a lot of credit. He held the ball up well on occasions, never hid, and actually won the majority of the arial battles. A very impressive display despite lacking that final bit of quality needed for him to score. Impressive performance from him for me.
We're certainly a team on form. Loving this! The games can't come soon enough!
Wenger still thought there wouldn't be anyone back before the international break post-match today.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I believe that unlike past seasons, Arteta may not be guaranteed first 11 especially because I also believe we will try and strengthen with a natural DM if not Jan defo next summer!
however get rid of him.....no way! great squad player to have, experience and knowledge to pass on to the next generation. I mean if we can keep the likes of NB for aslong as we have.....then Arteta should be still here when he is in his 90s
ah fair enough. i missed his post match conferenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
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Originally Posted by footloose, the wanderer
and if anyone can work out what this example of 'God getting it wrong'is trying to sayQuote:
Let him off for delibereatey undermingbh career if our captain and taking it po our supporters all fair enough butwe are in is head and need to make the most of very chink at he Brit
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Why do you think the Flamini and Ramsey combo isn't working? It's not as if Flamini ventures that far up field and then when you look at the goals Ramsey is scoring.....he's moving further up field even more. Towards the end of last season he started getting games down the centre again but when we were desperate for points. He was more defensive minded then or that was the call of the day because had to tighten up at the back. Also worth pointing out that we had Rosicky. He doesn't float about from flank to flank as much as Ozil does or Jack for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
TOP OF THE LEAGUE!! :D
I love how we scored the stoke way and stoke decided to do a classic Arsenal goal :)
There was me thinking Arteta and Ramsey playing together was the reason we got blitzed at home to Bayern Munich, no protection in front of the back four and no cohesiveness in midfield....playing them together for me was a disaster....because even when we had a winning run with them in midfield towards the back end of last season the performances were dreadful...struggling to beat QPR, Fulham etc
Then again if Ramsey wasn't scoring goals i'd be happy for neither of them to play, and have a three man midfield consisting of three of the four of Ozil, Wilshere, Cazorla and Flamini.
Arteta is integral and remains so imo.
Dr Singh :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Singh
Arteta, Ramsey and Wilshere have struggled in the midfield and I'm really not of fan of that combo. You're right about the lack of cohesion and protection to the back four. I think Ramsey and Wilshere hold on to the ball for too long, play too many high risk passes and also wonder all over the pitch too much. Arteta lacks mobility and can't cover that much ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
When we have more players back it will be interesting to see what happens. I don't think Ramsey and Wilshere work well together at all. It's one or the other. We have plenty of options to play with once we have more players back.
I didn't say it isn't working as such but I think Arteta will work better and give the midfield a better shape. You are right about Ramsey's role being different which is why I should have cited Arteta's individual qualities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Nah man, Arteta is pointless, remember?
:rolleyes:
He's vital and we've missed him.
But why would he give us better shape? What would he do that Flamini isn't already doing or what would he do better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
I think it just depends on a game to game basis.
It's nice to know our squad has about 18 players who can slot in and out, with no great reduction in quality. We have the strongest squad we've had in nearly a decade.
How was Flamini only 'okay' yet he was given MOTM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AWyLG7i2Zo
^That performance is as good as you'll see from an Arsenal player this season.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
All the video clips of Flamini so far this season have shown him being very effective.
In today's game the defence passed him the ball a number of times and the opposition put him under pressure straight away, yet he was able to stay composed and distribute the ball forwards. Arteta doesn't do that. The fact Flamini is calm under pressure is important for any DM as it helps link up play easily.
On top of that, he gets stuck in and throws himself about, something Arteta doesn't do once again.
Instant upgrade imo. Top player.
Has the site been hacked again?