Diaby needs ANOTHER surgery

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Originally Posted by Letters

It's not quite the same as a 'normal' employee who would lose his house if he lost his job.
Footballers are set for life.
Not that I think we should fail to honour his contract, but the comparisons with a normal job only stretch so far.

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he is a (well) paid employee, not a slave, consultant or freelancer. Apart from the fact that footballer's earn a lot of money for doing something it is *exactly* that - a normal job.
As such, if someone is injured doing their job its a bit daft calling them a prick and then claiming they should be euthanised on the grounds that, had they been a horse they wouldve been shot by now.

Not least because if they had indeed been a horse, they wouldn't have got the job in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Forget loyalty in football, it's a problem with people in general when I hear this sort of talk. No morals. :lol:

This isn't a case of incompetence. If a British Gas worked badly injured his hand whilst fixing a boiler, there is no way the company could terminate his contract whilst he's getting treatment for his hand. As Steve French said, it's breaking the law. No player would want to play for a club that treats its players like that.

Being bitter over Cesc, RVP and whoever else is irrelevant. As for the cutthroat business argument, cutting our losses...you can't use that argument when it suits you. If the club decide to raise ticket prices again and go to corporate with the way we're run, you'd probably be arguing for a more compassionate club connected to the fans and with a love for the sport instead of corporate sponsors.

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I don't know why you guys are going on about terminating his contract. I didn't say that, and in fact nobody even mentioned it in this thread before you did :lol:
I don't even think we can terminate it unless we buy out his contract, which would be pointless because we'd end up paying for it anyway.

The only thing that was actually suggested was selling him, and I don't see much morally wrong with that. We wouldn't be selling him because he got injured playing for us, we'd be selling him because he has always been far too injury prone and inconsistent on the pitch in his 9 years at this club, and because he isn't worth £60k per week. I didn't hear any cries of outrage when Chamakh and Gervinho were sold this summer. Wenger was actually applauded by the majority of our fans for his newfound ruthlessness.

Oh, and I'm not bitter at all. I was just using that example to make my point about loyalty. It works both ways, we aren't a charity to nurse injured little kids back to health and release them to the Barcas and Bayerns to win trophies.

Sell him to who?

Who would buy him?

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Originally Posted by GayPete

Sell him to who?

Who would buy him?

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And now we have come full circle to the glue factory.

He would never get into this midfield anyway.

Stick a fork up his bum, he's done.

Who would buy him?

• A decent CL club like Roma who would fancy a punt
• Mid-table to Europa league premier league clubs
• A good French side, where he is still quite highly rated
• Maybe even one of the 'big' clubs like Milan

As long as we have a realistic transfer value it wont be difficult to sell him. Obviously nobody would touch him at £20m, but at around £10m he starts looking like an attractive target. We even managed to flog Chamakh and Gervinho this summer... we'll have no problem selling Diaby who actually is potentially a beast of a CM.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

I don't know why you guys are going on about terminating his contract. I didn't say that, and in fact nobody even mentioned it in this thread before you did :lol:
I don't even think we can terminate it unless we buy out his contract, which would be pointless because we'd end up paying for it anyway.

The only thing that was actually suggested was selling him, and I don't see much morally wrong with that. We wouldn't be selling him because he got injured playing for us, we'd be selling him because he has always been far too injury prone and inconsistent on the pitch in his 9 years at this club, and because he isn't worth £60k per week. I didn't hear any cries of outrage when Chamakh and Gervinho were sold this summer. Wenger was actually applauded by the majority of our fans for his newfound ruthlessness.

Oh, and I'm not bitter at all. I was just using that example to make my point about loyalty. It works both ways, we aren't a charity to nurse injured little kids back to health and release them to the Barcas and Bayerns to win trophies.

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Yep, loyalty works both ways. Nail on the head.

Most people's opinion (ie hatred) of Diaby seems to stem from seeing him break down repeatedly and assuming he then chuckles to himself, collects his pay packet and heads for the nearest nightclub/ps4/Nando's.

If they have some in the know insight to back this up then fair enough - Clearly he doesn't bother spending any time with physios, fitness coaches or indeed counsellors regarding his perennial disappointment about his doomed career.

If however, those folks have nothing other than matchday banter and a mouthful of pie they are they are full of shit.

I do feel it's a little unnecessary the amount of abuse he seems to get, it's incredibly frustrating how he is injured all the time but it's the club who choose to retain his services....I wish he would get fit as i really rate him as a player but it just isn't going to happen.

Ive been very frustrated with him but Ive come to realise I dont have enough insight to be able to slate him as someone taking the piss. If you give him the benefit of the doubt then its actually quite classy that Arsenal see loyalty as a two way street.

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Originally Posted by Nayan

Most people's opinion (ie hatred) of Diaby seems to stem from seeing him break down repeatedly and assuming he then chuckles to himself, collects his pay packet and heads for the nearest nightclub/ps4/Nando's.

If they have some in the know insight to back this up then fair enough - Clearly he doesn't bother spending any time with physios, fitness coaches or indeed counsellors regarding his perennial disappointment about his doomed career.

If however, those folks have nothing other than matchday banter and a mouthful of pie they are they are full of shit.

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Originally Posted by Nayan

Most people's opinion (ie hatred) of Diaby seems to stem from seeing him break down repeatedly and assuming he then chuckles to himself, collects his pay packet and heads for the nearest nightclub/ps4/Nando's.

If they have some in the know insight to back this up then fair enough - Clearly he doesn't bother spending any time with physios, fitness coaches or indeed counsellors regarding his perennial disappointment about his doomed career.

If however, those folks have nothing other than matchday banter and a mouthful of pie they are they are full of shit.

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I'm not sure who hates, Diaby. I certainly don't, it's not his fault he keeps getting injured but it doesn't help us at all (it's been 7 years of injuries pretty much now, seems a ridiculous amount of time to hold onto a player who's always injured to me).

That said, he's got a good life that many would love, he can't play football but has managed to keep his very well paid job for 7 years and probably has a nice lifestyle with nice cars, a nice house, plenty of money to spend on anything he likes (probably a model girlfriend, they all have these days don't they?) and some nice holidays....hard to feel too much sympathy really.

Certainly don't hate Diaby and I do sympathise with the fact he's essentially had his career robbed from him.

He doesn't even register on my radar anymore. If he can get fit and be successful with us then great, if not then :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Özim

I'm not sure who hates, Diaby. I certainly don't, it's not his fault he keeps getting injured but it doesn't help us at all (it's been 7 years of injuries pretty much now, seems a ridiculous amount of time to hold onto a player who's always injured to me).

That said, he's got a good life that many would love, he can't play football but has managed to keep his very well paid job for 7 years and probably has a nice lifestyle with nice cars, a nice house, plenty of money to spend on anything he likes (probably a model girlfriend, they all have these days don't they?) and some nice holidays....hard to feel too much sympathy really.

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Im not saying anyone needs to feel sympathy for him, and certainly not singling you out as a hater. I don't what you may or may not have said about Diaby and dont care.
Im just saying that the bile and opprobrium he attracts tends to come from people who really arent in-the-know enough to back it up.

Moreover - If you can he is a lazy bastard slag him off. If he has a genuine physical problem then why slag him off but not a player who's career/life is cut short by a heart defect or leukaemia?

Money isn't the be all and end all. Yes he's lucky to be earning bucks like that, but it doesn't fulfill you.

He surely wants to be doing what he loves doing. Spending hours of time in rehab, hours sitting around, surgery, scans....it must get demoralising. Of course you have to have sympathy.

Whether it's the best thing for the club, is open to debate. Anyone else, and I think he would have been shifted on...but Wenger has said on numerous occassions that he rates Diaby very highly, and presumably, he's willing to take the risk on him.

I'd still rather diaby on the wage bill, than some of the guff we've had clogging up the squad these last few years. at least we know that, when fit, he's a fucking good player.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Money isn't the be all and end all. Yes he's lucky to be earning bucks like that, but it doesn't fulfill you.

He surely wants to be doing what he loves doing. Spending hours of time in rehab, hours sitting around, surgery, scans....it must get demoralising. Of course you have to have sympathy.

Whether it's the best thing for the club, is open to debate. Anyone else, and I think he would have been shifted on...but Wenger has said on numerous occassions that he rates Diaby very highly, and presumably, he's willing to take the risk on him.

I'd still rather diaby on the wage bill, than some of the guff we've had clogging up the squad these last few years. at least we know that, when fit, he's a fucking good player.

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Originally Posted by LDG

I'd still rather diaby on the wage bill, than some of the guff we've had clogging up the squad these last few years. at least we know that, when fit, he's a fucking good player.

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