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I guess if the arabs play it right they'll be able to rejuvenate the whole of Manchester and price mancs out of the area - just as they are doing in London. So many advantages to letting these bastards and their money into the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss
every single thread on here has descended into a wenger in/out, pro/anti and associated fuckery
is anyone still modding on here :sulk:
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Even if were only...Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
How you keep a local, talismanic talent like Gerard for so long?
How you keep a world class want away striker even though there's no guaranteed CL football?
How do you keep a threadbare squad fit enough to sustain a challenge?
- Liverpool have raised genuine questions about how we have operated in the face of the billionaires that we like to use as an excuse.
- Gerrard still stayed there when they were shitQuote:
Originally Posted by IBK
- You pay him money, and offer him a deal to leave next year if they don't get ECL
- You don't have ECL to contend with, and have far less games than everyone else
We burn shirts and send death threats, you guys write strongly worded chants on youtube.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u56kJjrlXuI
Gerrard, oh Gerrard the bench warmer for them...
Ollie :bow:
:haha:
Nasri oh nasri, why would you want to be a benchwarmer for them
Nasri oh nasri, why would you want to be a benchwarmer for them
Gerrard stayed for the same reason Le Tissier did, IMO.
Local boy done good, didn't want to go elsewhere.
:lol: This guy cracks me up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss
Think LeTissier also stayed because he wasn't bothered about winning anything in his career, shame for him considering his talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'm sure he'd have liked to win things but being near his family and in the local area he knew was more important to him.
Fair enough really.
I think Stevie Me also knew Liverpool had the resources to one day win the league anyway, so that probably made it easier to stay. I think a league title this year would arguably make him their GOAT.
Yeah he's entitled to make the choice that suits him, London isn't too far from Southampton though a move to a London club wouldn't have been too hard family wise, I just think he was happy enough at Southampton and just enjoyed playing football, even with regards playing for England he never seemed overly concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yeah I agree, I think Gerrard knew Liverpool weren't a club to just sit there and stagnate, they've always been a club who expect to win stuff and will do all they can to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Champions League, UEFA Cup, 2 League Cups and 3 FA Cups - Far from a Le Tissier situation.
I think you'll find Le Tissier played in the Zenith Data Systems Cup Final in 1992, so that blows your paper thin argument right out of the fucking water!Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
A thoroughly enjoyable tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Meh. It's no Norwich Hospital Charity Cup #thfcQuote:
Originally Posted by LDG
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Originally Posted by Letters
Le Tissier was shit anyway. A couple of worldies shouldn't cover the fact that he was probably the laziest player I've ever seen. His England record is testament to that.
didn't Gerrard put in a transfer request to go to chelsea back in 2003 and only stayed because of death threats?
Doesn't matter why. Somehow Liverpool have kept key players while we have failed to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
They've sold Torres, Alonso, Macherano to name a few in recent seasons.
They've kept two players. Two. And both of them were very much whoring themselves at one point or another. It's not like anyone has come steaming in for Gerrard over the last couple of years either!
If I am remembering this all rightly....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
First off, the whole death threats thing is nonsense. Made up by the tabloids.
In 2004 he seemingly had his head turned whilst on England duty, but changed his mind after talking with his family. The old "are you fuck joining Chelsea".
In 2005 it was all over his contract. We dicked about with the negotiations and pissed him off. The next day [I think] it was all resolved.
We didn't keep that team together....and keeping a team together is an ideology that Wenger used to recite weekly though he has slowed down in mentioning it in his modern day liturgy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
A lot of people have often claimed keeping a player against his will to be some great mythical doomsday, Armageddon, 4 horsemen end of days scenario...... but Liverpool pretty much did just that with a putrid character in Suarez who on this occasion actually had a leg to stand on seeing that John.W.Henry is full of crap.
Still don't think Mr Henry and Liverpool FC have been called out on the lies and incredulous actions of that whole fiasco nearly enough.
Wenger will need to learn eventually that in the land of giants, the fella with the best attack wins. Even if the giant is abhorrently and effectively a Frankenstein funded by a billionaire.
A first class forward line hides a multitude of sins. Liverpool have that. Giroud, Bendtner and Sanogo can't even hide the skanky hoochie mumma skets they sneak into their hotel suites at night. Win the league my derriere!
Are you by any chance Jamaican?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
On the Suarez thing (again!) by all accounts it was a "good faith" clause. Still technically a release clause in that it triggers negotiations, but obliges us to do sweet fuck all.
I think that group had a god enough run. They a had few seasons together but even if Wenger had kept that core together longer, I seriously doubt they’d have won much. Cesc, RVP and Theo joined the club when we still had Henry, Bergkamp and Pires playing for us and they kept seeing the same problem. Injuries, a lack of activity in the transfer window, contract talks turning sour, the same tactics and being very slow to react to change. We should have learned our lesson years ago but the same problems we had then still haunt us now. In fact, the more this team gel and the more efficient they become in Wengerball, the worse they get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
It wasn't the fact that we missed out on the player that's annoyed everyone - on some level, I think a lot of Arsenal fans actually think 'good on Liverpool' for actually holding one of these selfish multi-millionaires to their contracts (plus we're Arsenal fans, so we miss out on everyone) - it was things like the entirely unnecessary 'What are they smoking at the Emirates?' comment, and all the former players and newspaper hacks who were lining up to have a pop at us for being disrespectful / insulting / classless / etc that have done it. Somehow we came out of it looking like total arse-holes, when in actual fact we hadn't done anything wrong? I don't suppose we'll get a single, solitary apology from anyone in the press or media though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Problem is not the team, problem is Wengerball. It is slow, tedious and toothless. You could put an insomniac to sleep with the sideways passing we do all day. There is only one solution to this though for Arsene... buy more CAM's- Draxler is definitely coming home now!
No but I'm happy to lend a word or two in times like these. They know how to curse them Jamo's....Quote:
Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View
Mate. Get current. The reason they are challenging for the title is that they kept their most important player in the Summer. Imagine if we'd kept RVP; or Fabregas.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Here, here....good chap.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
Henry played the ignorance, what do you mean clause card nicely...... He could have been Clinton denying that chick licked his weiner with the way he was going on.
Not to mention the fact that in business terms verbal agreements do actually hold legal weight....though it transpired that it counted for toffee in this case at the expense of our rep.
I don't dismiss the influence and shortcomings of the manager, but I am suggesting that the premise, alone, of keeping some of his best...would have saved at least a few of his blushes at least, over the past few years.
It's systematic problems. Somehow we've managed to crock all of our key players and run others completely into the ground. We had an abundance of midfield options and somehow we now find ourselves short. Even if we'd have kept a few players, I doubt Wenger would rotate enough so we have players ready on the bench in good form and ready to do a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
We also need to find out why so many of our players are picking long injuries. Something isn't right behind the scenes. The same things keep happening and I can't bank on things being any different next year or with more players.
Yep, it's a concern that we seem to let our star players leave so easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
Whilst what Liverpool did was very underhand regarding Suarez, I admire them for keeping him and then getting him to sign a new contract. If he does go now and I really do not think he will, Liverpool could easily command a world record fee for him.
Rodgers has Liverpool playing as a team, when it has come to the crucial games they have pretty much stepped up, especially in the business end of the season.
I agree, moreover if we are to judge Wenger on a "results" only basis then he has to step up big time IMHO, he's not doing his job properly.
I don't think we would have won the league but I think we would have picked up a shiny spoon or two...
The injuries are worrying and something I reserve opinion on to a large extent as I'm hardly a health specialist..... I have no real idea how much of it is to do with what we're doing in training. You'd think the pretty triangle passing drill isn't that gruelling.
Felix Megath has some form with gruelling training regimes so if he remains I'd be interested to see if his squad drop like flies or not....
Fine margins really......well a 10 million discrepancy is no fine margin by a mere mortals standards....but I think that was the difference between Liverpool screaming blue murder and mugging us off and getting the bloke.... despite the fact I didn't want him here for personal reasons.
Nobody would have a chance to sign him for 50 million now never mind 40 million and a sixpence.
Yep. Its all about momentum. Like it or not, Liverpool have stepped up while we flatter to deceive.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie