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We have robust, quick and strong CF in Serge Gnabry. He was CF at his previous club and still a CF for German youth team. He is built exactly like Suarez and Aguero, he got the skill of CF as well. Shame Wenger will not try him as CF. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
I thought he was a central midfield player? Oh well. It's the same with Theo and Ox. Wenger likes to use the wide positions to develop players. It's another habit he needs to snap out of.Quote:
Originally Posted by milla
Gnabry is unlucky to not have got more games but his time will come again and he clearly has the maturity to go with the ability. Not sure he is our centre forward even if he has played there for Germany U21's which is a completely different level of football.
Suarez is a goal machine and has been for a long time.....way before most of us were watching him play regularly and Aguero is a very unique specimen indeed with the level of power he has.
If we are going to try something as left field as Gnabry at CF it should happen in training and pre-season firstly and fore-mostly where the pressure is off and twitter warriors won't be telling him to go and die if it doesn't work out. I'm amazed how willing we are to see options like this in the first team for a period that is presumably deemed 'a decent run of games' which I surmise to be several games in succession for the centre forward role.
But we won't though. You know that. So you're talking rubbish because I've just ousted you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
If Wenger signs Vela and another striker, as well as having Giroud, I'll send you a cheque for £1000. You and me both know it won't happen.
So would it be acceptable to have him back if he's the only striker we sign? Hell no.
Love the revisionism btw i.e. don't want midget midfield players but strikers it's okay. If Vela came here and struggled you'd be the first to say how Wenger should have gone for a big, strong forward.
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Originally Posted by Slacker
Tempted to take you up on that bet myself :d but if he does sign two forwards, one of them won't be Vela!
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Originally Posted by milla
I dont see why we should not give him a run for the game against Norwich. Or is he dead?
Yeah you got me, sorry yeah I'm talking rubbish cos you ousted me, I'll hold my hands up you caught me out, man you're so smart, why can't we all be like you?Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Red Ribbon
The thing is you never know what will happen with us, it's feasible Podolski will leave seeing as he's had limited opportunities and never plays up front, we'd then need two strikers.
Oh and I don't want a big strong striker, I want a pacey goalscorer, couldn't give a damn if he's big or strong.
He's not slow, immobile and doesn't have a quiff so there's no chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Vela was never played more then 15-20mins at times, how could he be judged like this. He took a bottom table team to the Champions league for a reason. Have you seen how he danced around Barcelona? Arsenal should be lucky he considers coming back to Arsenal after all those years. Will be nice if he does come back on the team and proves everyone wrong. His national team begged him for 2 years just to come back and play.
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Originally Posted by JVC
Good first post, my man. I really don't know how stone cold conclusions can be made from sporadic 15-20 minute cameos.
Glad you got to see my first and second post. Maybe if you watch a few matches and what this guy can really do. Even if you dont like this guy many clubs out there would pick him up for 15-30mil, that would be stupid of Wenger not to active the clause he most of thought about when he sold him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
If Wumger brings Vela back, he would likely stick him on the wrong side of the wing (left) again. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by JVC
I like Vela and always thought he was never given a fair shot here at Arsenal. The odd sub appearances never helped and he was always played in the wrong position on the wide left. I wouldn’t object to use bringing him back.Quote:
Originally Posted by JVC
Yep, that’s what I don’t want to see either. It’s frustrating enough seeing Theo played on the right instead down the left. It slowed his development and he’s had to really push to make it work for himself. There is no point in Vela coming over if we’re not going to play him as an inverted winger. I don’t know many top teams that play 4-3-3 without inverted wingers to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by milla
we don't want to make snap decisions based on a few decent performances here and there, we need to wait until the world cup and if he scores a screamer against Brazil cutting in from the right we should definitley sign him.
Agree with you he was never given enough playing time but Vela does not have to be an inverted player. He plays well on the left, centre or right its just up to Wenger to take him back and play him for once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Lets not forget he was also the main factor Mexico won their first U17 world cup.
His record is impressive when given playing time. I just see it as a waste to sign him up, loan him out and then not to give him playing time whilst we had him here.Quote:
Originally Posted by JVC
I doubt he would come back unless he is guaranteed he will get a fair chance this time. Hope he gets another chance, great summer signing even if he doesnt work out for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
That's that sorted then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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Originally Posted by JVC
yeah lets go and splash 42 million pounds on Mesut Ozil and then sign carlos vela as a striker.
Diego Forlan scored a ton of goals in spain, he was dogshit here. Vela failed before, he will fail again.
On the same token Ozil was great in Spain and has been average here. As you can see it's not as clear cut as you think.
yeah Ozil hasn't been average. If you think that, you clearly don't watch him.
Well yeah overall he has, not the greatest of seasons, not to say he's not a top player, but his season hasn't been that good whereas he was brilliant in Spain.
last season he had ronaldo ahead of him, this season he spent most of his time trying to make giroud be less of a dickhead.
mesut ozil is not a player you can watch on tv and see how good he is, you have to watch him by going to games to really understand him ( i know, you going to games. laughable idea) but his movement, his vision and understanding of the game is second to none. On tv, you see him move a couple of steps and play a simple pass and think thats nothing, but when you see the whole pitch, those couple of steps take several players out of the game.
when Ozil was out injuring over easter, we played awful football and struggled, even when Ramsey came back. When Ozil came back against Hull, our football shot up, and thats because of him. His vision and understanding is brilliant. he hasn't been average at all, he improved this team massively, allowed Ramsey to flourish and gave the club a boost but because he hasn't got 56896 goals and 6543 assists, people think he has been average
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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
We weren't just awful at Easter, we've been awful since December, sure we've scraped wins but our performances have been pretty poor. He's not been that good, hence all the criticism he's received from everywhere, before you call me out for being anti Ozil, I rate him highly however he's not been great this season.
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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
It's a terrible argument. We need more quality players around Ozil but it shouldn't take a signing of Ronaldo calibre to get something more out of Ozil. That is just nonsense.
There's many a good meal in this thread - it should be made sticky so all the experts can tuck into the pie this time next year.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Article from talkShite about Vela, including a video woop woop!
http://talksport.com/football/carlos...rs-14051591348
Not bad for £3m, but I hope we sign another forward too if we do bring him back. He's probably better suited to playing at wide right rather than as a CF anyway.
Does he count as 'homegrown'? would be happy to see him back…can take a place of 4th striker.
http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/11/carlos...chief-4757412/
He's coming home.
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As I said in the transfer thread, I'm still not 100% convinced that this isn't just some kind of negotiating tactic for something else yet, but if it is true then I'd be happy enough to give him another try - he looks like he's improved no end as a player, and you have to say that 21 goals and 13 assists (in all competitions) are big boy stats. To put that into perspective, I think Benzema got 26 goals and 13 assists last season, Alexis Sanchez got 21 goals and 14 assists, Pedro got 19 goals and 8 assists, Di Maria got 12 and 24, and Isco got 11 and 7, so he's holding his own with some pretty strong company (and doing it in a weaker side)...
Considering the fact that Diego Costa has had many unsuccessful loan spells and was under Falcao shadow at Atletico Madrid before he became good just last season , resigning an improved Carlos Vela can be a good thing for Arsenal . He has matured a lot and his confidence has dramatically improved too and will need no time for adaptation .
With Carlos in the bag , one more striker in the mould of Benzema or Balotelli or Morata or Jackson Martinez or even Wilfred Bony would be enough to complete the package with Giroud and Sanogo who are expected to be better next season .
Vela? I think on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of being uninspiring, he's a sure fire 10. Fine, sign him up. But let's not let this interfere with proper transfer business in any way.