Match Reaction vs Dortmund

Jack, Chesney and Bellerin only derserve above average marks for this game.

Kos and Merts have truly lost it. They were terrible. Gibbs was pretty pointless as well. Our defence weren't helped by probably the most shocking defensive midfield performance I've seen since Denilson held down a first team spot. Arteta was awful. Shunned responsibilty, hid from the ball when our defenders needed to dish off a pass, offered them no protection.

Same goes for Aaron Ramsey. He's fucking lost it. We played a lot better once he was off for Cazorla and Jack stayed deeper. Ozil...another meh performance. A passenger. Sanchez had a shit game. Works his socks off but needs to learn how to pass. Danny Welbeck....Welshit! On that performance, he's no better than Sanogo. 4 chances fell to him and he didn't hit the target and work the keeper once.

Wenger has to take these guys back to basics ASAP. They let Dortmund pass freely and didn't put any pressure on them or attempt to win the ball. It was the same against City when try had long spells of possession.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Hasnt it always been thus. Flamini is a poor DM but Arteta is simply atrocious. He is a bloody liability

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Its comical that Wenger sees Arteta as our DM. Im pretty sure he wasn't a DM at Everton, even David Moyes could see that.

That was total wank.

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Originally Posted by Ernesto

I've had enough of Wenger not playing to the opposition's strengths and weaknesses. This isn't 2004 any more. A mere "do what you do best" team talk will not suffice.

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Does anyone know what we do best anymore?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Jack, Chesney and Bellerin only derserve above average marks for this game.

Kos and Merts have truly lost it. They were terrible. Gibbs was pretty pointless as well. Our defence weren't helped by probably the most shocking defensive midfield performance I've seen since Denilson held down a first team spot. Arteta was awful. Shunned responsibilty, hid from the ball when our defenders needed to dish off a pass, offered them no protection.

Same goes for Aaron Ramsey. He's fucking lost it. We played a lot better once he was off for Cazorla and Jack stayed deeper. Ozil...another meh performance. A passenger. Sanchez had a shit game. Works his socks off but needs to learn how to pass. Danny Welbeck....Welshit! On that performance, he's no better than Sanogo. 4 chances fell to him and he didn't hit the target and work the keeper once.

Wenger has to take these guys back to basics ASAP. They let Dortmund pass freely and didn't put any pressure on them or attempt to win the ball. It was the same against City when try had long spells of possession.

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How can he take then back to the basics?

Wenger does not understand the basics himself. That is the number 1 problem at this Club.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

Does anyone know what we do best anymore?

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We specialise in failure and we do it well!

On paper this team should be very good but it just goes to show you need a clear and distinct way of playing, because right now we're nowhere near the sum of our parts and we'll continue to bumble our way through matches as long as that remains the same. Things will only change once Wenger starts to rotate with a degree of regularity and give others an opportunity, that way we might stumble upon something more effective and won't be as predictable to play against.

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Originally Posted by ARightTouch

Its comical that Wenger sees Arteta as our DM. Im pretty sure he wasn't a DM at Everton, even David Moyes could see that.

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I wish people would shut up about the fantastical DM player.

It's not what Arteta is there for, albeit, we need somebody able to cover more ground than he does, and give is momentum.

What we need is someone who dictates the tempo, and drives the ball forward, but who can close the gap betweem defence and midfield when the tide turns.

We don't need someone who's only job is to launch into tackles. If that's whay we wanted, then Flamini is your man.

We need someobe who covera ground, and who can play simple passes put of the back, or hold the ball driving forward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDBLSUKJiDY

Still relevant after all these years :lol:

Our true claim to fame is being the club that spends the least in order to stay ahead of the Spuds. That is Wenger's real genius

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Originally Posted by Munchies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDBLSUKJiDY

Still relevant after all these years :lol:

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Don't think it is as we've actually spent decent money this summer and even last summer with Ozil.


The fact that we still look poor despite it all is the worrying thing.

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Originally Posted by LDG

I wish people would shut up about the fantastical DM player.

It's not what Arteta is there for, albeit, we need somebody able to cover more ground than he does, and give is momentum.

What we need is someone who dictates the tempo, and drives the ball forward, but who can close the gap betweem defence and midfield when the tide turns.


We don't need someone who's only job is to launch into tackles. If that's whay we wanted, then Flamini is your man.

We need someobe who covera ground, and who can play simple passes put of the back, or hold the ball driving forward.

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In short. we need a fantastical DM!

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Don't think it is as we've actually spent decent money this summer and even last summer with Ozil.


The fact that we still look poor despite it all is the worrying thing.

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Team is still shit thin in terms of depth

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Originally Posted by Steve French

How can he take then back to the basics?

Wenger does not understand the basics himself. That is the number 1 problem at this Club.

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Very true. The way we're set up defend looks like that's how they've been instructed to defend in training. Patients and not making mistakes is key to defending but we've gone so far off the deep end with that mantra that we look almost passive.

We had a good moan about a bad result going there for a while. Then the knee-jerkers with their massive overreactions ruined it.

What about this 4-1-4-1 shit Wenger is going with?

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Originally Posted by Munchies

What about this 4-1-4-1 shit Wenger is going with?

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I'd say it wasn't working.

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Originally Posted by LDG

I wish people would shut up about the fantastical DM player.

It's not what Arteta is there for, albeit, we need somebody able to cover more ground than he does, and give is momentum.

What we need is someone who dictates the tempo, and drives the ball forward, but who can close the gap betweem defence and midfield when the tide turns.

We don't need someone who's only job is to launch into tackles. If that's whay we wanted, then Flamini is your man.

We need someobe who covera ground, and who can play simple passes put of the back, or hold the ball driving forward.

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Indeed. I suspect Wenger originally put him there so he can sit and help launch attacks. Help dictate the tempo and be that outlet from deep because he's supposed to be a good passer. But if you sit and watch what he contributes and it's woeful. He doesn't come looking to collect the ball from Merts or Kos. He'd rather let them play the ball out to the midfield whilst he covers them. He's an absolute coward. Once Wilshere took on a deeper role and we had Cazorla on the pitch, we looked a lot better in possession. But I also suspect Dortmund started to ease off us. But we'll never know.

It's not really a 4-1-4-1, more a left side, right, side, do the tippy tappy, turn it all about formation. beautiful triangles and rotations and 1% sub red-line energy peaks. All ruined by the other team who have no respect.

Bloody hell :ilt:

Always a tough game but really wasn't expecting that much of a battering.

2-0 massively flattered us. Awful.

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What a fuck up to let Cesc go to Chelsea

You telling me he'd be worse than Arteta in this team?

Has the fucking knob jockey actually come out of his fucking rock and said anything to the media in relation to his complete shite of a job tonight

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

In short. we need a fantastical DM!

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Yep.

Just watching the highlights now and Arteta was absolutely calamitous. He just cant run, and considering how many times we get done on the counter we need a DM who can run. This is not Artetas fault, it lies with Wenger playing him there.

But, if Wenger hasn't learnt this by now then he never will because hes had enough chances to.

He wasn't happy with the performance as expected. Said it was a below par performance, couldn't understand why energy levels were so low. Could have been the City game. Even though we were dominated, we created plenty of chances and should have scored. Welbeck needs a goal.

That's it in short.

Here is what is going to happen... *favorite or bookmark this post*

We will eventually go on an unbeaten run of 8-9 games and may be put in a game or two where we play good football. The 2 or 3 Wenger flag bearers will be on the highest WUM level at this time and point out how Wenger has made clear progress. The realists on here will point to the hard stretch of games where we will get tonked without a defense. These claims will be ridiculed by the WUM's. In the midst of all this, we will have the winter transfer window where we will re-sign Bischoff or find the first crock that calls Wenger.
Fast forward to March/April and we will be out of the PL and CL. In May, we will scrape 4th place trophy... Wenger flag bearers will say that they will give up on him if he doesnt change things in the summer.

Repeat above cycle.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Here is what is going to happen... *favorite or bookmark this post*

We will eventually go on an unbeaten run of 8-9 games and may be put in a game or two where we play good football. The 2 or 3 Wenger flag bearers will be on the highest WUM level at this time and point out how Wenger has made clear progress. The realists on here will point to the hard stretch of games where we will get tonked without a defense. These claims will be ridiculed by the WUM's. In the midst of all this, we will have the winter transfer window where we will re-sign Bischoff or find the first crock that calls Wenger.
Fast forward to March/April and we will be out of the PL and CL. In May, we will scrape 4th place trophy... Wenger flag bearers will say that they will give up on him if he doesnt change things in the summer.

Repeat above cycle.

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Hahahahaha so true....been like tht for the last 4 years but with the Wenger support getting thinner each season.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

What a fuck up to let Cesc go to Chelsea

You telling me he'd be worse than Arteta in this team?

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This was the worst of a whole bunch of bad decisions wenger has made over the last eight years. Unforgivable. I would have supported selling any one of our midfielders to make space for cesc. And who was he saving the money for? Welbeck?! Or that world class centre half or dcm we didn't sign? Stubborn, stupid, egotistical old git.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We had a good moan about a bad result going there for a while. Then the knee-jerkers with their massive overreactions ruined it.

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Knee-jerk my ass. We are a fucking mess.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

He wasn't happy with the performance as expected. Said it was a below par performance, couldn't understand why energy levels were so low. Could have been the City game. Even though we were dominated, we created plenty of chances and should have scored. Welbeck needs a goal.

That's it in short.

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It could have been the Rophenal in the pre-match lasagne.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

Knee-jerk my ass. We are a fucking mess.

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Can't say I've ever seen a team as disjointed as this one.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

Knee-jerk my ass. We are a fucking mess.

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Don't moan. 9 years of the same shit you knee-jerk.

Even with United now, you can see a base to their team.

Defence, Blind sitting infront, Di Maria roaming etc

Liverpool have Gerrard/Henderson sitting infront.

Chelsea probably have the best in Matic/Cesc

With us, I can't see anything like that, it's all a mess!

pass, pass, pass, do a crap through ball for Welbeck/Sanogo to chase, nothing comes from it.

Utd have 1 bad season and spend £150m to sort their team out

We've had 9 bad seasons and same old shit

Jack twisted his ankle. Could be another injury on the cards.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Jack twisted his ankle. Could be another injury on the cards.

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Highly likely he could hardly move in the last 3 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

Knee-jerk my ass. We are a fucking mess.

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Nah, we've has Ches is shit, Ozil is shit, Arteta is shit, Welbeck is shit, done the Jack is shit, Kos and Merts are shit, everyone and everything is shit. Which in itself is shit. Nothing wrong with our players, it's the manager. Poor tactics, poor appreciation of the opposition, refusal to reinforce key areas of the squad, refusal to stick players in the best positions, determination to play this slow paced, tippy tappy congested flicky stuff that requires a miracle to pull off, crappy subs. But the shit, shit, shit, everything is shit shit some are coming out with is shit.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

Don't moan. 9 years of the same shit you knee-jerk.

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Not even close to being 9 years of the same shit. Major changes include, signing rather than selling decent players, spending some fucking money, finally winning a trophy, getting closer to the top teams in terms of points. Same tactical shit, or lack of it, same stubbornness from the manager, but not the same 9 years across the board and wrong of anyone to claim it is.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

Utd have 1 bad season and spend £150m to sort their team out

We've had 9 bad seasons and same old shit

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One win against an absolutely dreadful QPR doesn't mean they have sorted their team out. They didn't play so well themselves, especially some of the "Gallacticos" live van Cash and ROOOOOOOON-EH! (missed as usual). Let's see what's sorted and not sorted by Christmas.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Same tactical shit, or lack of it, same stubbornness from the manager.

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Thank you and goodnight

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

Thank you and goodnight

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I can't think of a single person on here who doesn't accept Wenger is a problem in terms of the tactical side of our game. The whole stay/ go argument took that into account. It also accounted for the overall running of the club, some wanted a change, others considered this a critical period in which change could cause problems. Some wanted Moyes to come in. Others Owen Coyle - I shit you not. For every problem on the pitch there's a gold plated achievement off it and that's what's going to put the cash and stability in the pocket of the next manager to come in. Or we can do a chavski and sack the manager every 5 minutes.