January Transfer Speculation and Shit

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Why is Wenger playing Ozil out of position? If you're trying to play someone into form, play him in his best position so he can get his confidence back and not screw up our whole system and formation. If not then leave him on the bench instead of trying to force him into the team.

Ozil doesn't help himself, he needs to get more involved. I don't mean that he should be ball chasing donkey, but he needs to get on the ball more and to play a more active role in breaking down teams. If he's not happy with the movement and runs his team mates are making he should let them know in training and work on it so he can find them in goalscoring positions more consistently. He's one of the best in the world at spotting and delivering the killer pass but clearly it's not happening at Arsenal so something needs to change. Wenger doesn't seem to know how to so the players need to add their input.

The worrying thing is that even though we've added pace to our front line with the signings of Alexis and Welbeck, we're still not getting in behind teams. Obviously that's hard to do when teams put everyone behind the ball, but Wenger hasn't come up with an answer to it. We're still playing the same slow, predictable and ineffective tippy-tappy football that hasn't worked against these buses in the past. We have the likes of Alexis and Ox that can beat players and open up space but we still huff and puff and struggle to create chances.

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I agre with the last paragraph re playing in behind teams and i think the problem is two fold, one is that its diffuclt to to do so when teams like Chelsea sit back and stay disciplined and the other issue is that our system never changes no matter who we play.

Against Galatasary we scored a couple of goals by going behind them but they were shit and gave us the kind of space that not many PL teams will and thats when the manager needs to come with something clever and open up teams.

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Could you explain the attack and possession stats, and the large difference in your example?

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I'd surmise it's a classic demonstration of how he's wasted playing wide. Silva can go left or right from his position, Ozil is often penned wide playing short or triangles with the full back and/ or central player who has come to support. Classic Wenger. The gypos know how to utilise Silva. We don't seem to have a clue how to do the same with Ozil (and now Welbeck too).

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I agre with the last paragraph re playing in behind teams and i think the problem is two fold, one is that its diffuclt to to do so when teams like Chelsea sit back and stay disciplined and the other issue is that our system never changes no matter who we play.

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That's why you have to have supporting forwards making the runs that will drag the defence out of shape. And in Alexis, Ox, now Welbeck and hopefully soon Walcott we have those players. But they are all engaged in a tight passing game that plods left, then plods right, then plods left again. It's child's play for a decent defence to shut that down.

EDIT: watch some highlights of Vieira, Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Overmars all the way back to Anelka (especially Anelka). When we'd break out we'd do it as pace as a unit, 3 or 4 forward players storming up the pitch with the opposition defence going left, right, falling over their own feet. 15-20 seconds from back to front and into the net. This was when defenders could still kick you up in the air with little fear of being carded. We never dreamed of holding it up and playing it backwards like we do today. We never gave the opposition a chance to press, it was all over before they knew what was happening. Remember when we used to love the opposition getting a corner, because we knew we'd be up the other end in seconds?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You mean better than "Internet Warrior?" I'll try.

Walcott was being a greedy bastard and I said as much. Sanogo - come on, seriously? I didn't say I'd be leaping for joy if we ditched the team and hired the lads from a local pub. Monreal, maybe you have a point. It's more Wenger's fault he can't see how susceptible the player is to a pacey attacker.

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It was more than the contract. You were saying he was no good as a footballer, but whatever. Just a bit rich of you to now try and pull on the number 1 fan T-shirt and preach to me about criticism.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It was more than the contract. You were saying he was no good as a footballer, but whatever. Just a bit rich of you to now try and pull on the number 1 fan T-shirt and preach to me about criticism.

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Didn't pull the #1 fan, just pulled the fan who doesn't have to kill everything about the club all the time thing. I don't think Ozil has hit the heights he did in Madrid - no way. But this constant crap he's getting is ludicrous and it's driven by the media and some of our fans have fallen for it hook, line, sinker. The media will go as far as to single him out for criticism after Germany whack Brazil 7-1 FFS. If that's not an agenda then what is? I'm not buying it. I'm not saying he's been better than Fabregas or Silva. He hasn't, or at least he hasn't had a bigger impact on the results. But he's nowhere near being the failed player some are making out.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It was more than the contract. You were saying he was no good as a footballer, but whatever. Just a bit rich of you to now try and pull on the number 1 fan T-shirt and preach to me about criticism.

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Yes, I was saying he was a maddeningly inconsistent player - and he was. Then he had a good season and I said he had a good season. But I was basing it on his performances, not what the media said. IN fact now it's quite exciting to think about how he will be integrated into a team containing Ozil, Alexis, Welbeck and an ever improving Ox. Exciting to "think" about it because Wenger will find a way to make it all pointless anyway. As he's doing with players like Ozil.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

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No, I'm not going to get involved in one of those PnG 64 page ordeals, so move along.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Why is Wenger playing Ozil out of position? If you're trying to play someone into form, play him in his best position so he can get his confidence back and not screw up our whole system and formation. If not then leave him on the bench instead of trying to force him into the team.

Ozil doesn't help himself, he needs to get more involved. I don't mean that he should be ball chasing donkey, but he needs to get on the ball more and to play a more active role in breaking down teams. If he's not happy with the movement and runs his team mates are making he should let them know in training and work on it so he can find them in goalscoring positions more consistently. He's one of the best in the world at spotting and delivering the killer pass but clearly it's not happening at Arsenal so something needs to change. Wenger doesn't seem to know how to so the players need to add their input.

The worrying thing is that even though we've added pace to our front line with the signings of Alexis and Welbeck, we're still not getting in behind teams. Obviously that's hard to do when teams put everyone behind the ball, but Wenger hasn't come up with an answer to it. We're still playing the same slow, predictable and ineffective tippy-tappy football that hasn't worked against these buses in the past. We have the likes of Alexis and Ox that can beat players and open up space but we still huff and puff and struggle to create chances.

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It really is a worry that we're still not breaking teams down. I thought at least with Sanchez and Welbeck added into the team we'd start stretching teams a little more but it's just not happening.

You're right about Ozil as well. There is no point in playing him wide so he can drift in field. It just makes things more congested. We had the same sort of problem years ago when we played without wingers. The Nasri and Arshavin years, Hleb and Rosicky days....after so many attempts, I don't know why Wenger keeps trying this when it hasn't once been successful over a season.

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

I agre with the last paragraph re playing in behind teams and i think the problem is two fold, one is that its diffuclt to to do so when teams like Chelsea sit back and stay disciplined and the other issue is that our system never changes no matter who we play.

Against Galatasary we scored a couple of goals by going behind them but they were shit and gave us the kind of space that not many PL teams will and thats when the manager needs to come with something clever and open up teams.

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Galatasaray were playing 3 at the back and they were very disorganised. You're right, we're unlikely to see such generosity in the Prem.

I hate to do the old compare him with a similar player at your rivals, but Ozil needs to start looking at David Silva and the impact he has at Man City to see what he needs to start producing for us.

Very similar players and he gets regularly shunned out wide as Pellegrini plays two up front and yet still conspires to always get on the ball and be involved in their play. Regularly their best player.

I agree that behind the striker is his best position but he has to be more flexible and realise that someone as talented as him can make a significant contribution in a wide position. The team doesn't revolve around him.

By the way Ozil is apparently injured. Got a knock on his knee and is awaiting a scan on it. Whatever you think of his recent performances the last thing we need is another injury.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Yes, I was saying he was a maddeningly inconsistent player - and he was. Then he had a good season and I said he had a good season. But I was basing it on his performances, not what the media said. IN fact now it's quite exciting to think about how he will be integrated into a team containing Ozil, Alexis, Welbeck and an ever improving Ox. Exciting to "think" about it because Wenger will find a way to make it all pointless anyway. As he's doing with players like Ozil.

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It would be nice if you stopped assuming I read the papers everyday and form an opinion based off what they say. ;) If I were that gullible, I’d have bought into the ‘Theo has no footballing brain’ bollocks. What makes you think I’m not basing my opinion on Ozil from his performances?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It would be nice if you stopped assuming I read the papers everyday and form an opinion based off what they say. ;) If I were that gullible, I’d have bought into the ‘Theo has no footballing brain’ bollocks. What makes you think I’m not basing my opinion on Ozil from his performances?

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He's gone missing for the next 10-12 weeks so he will have the same performance as Theo then :(

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

That's why you have to have supporting forwards making the runs that will drag the defence out of shape. And in Alexis, Ox, now Welbeck and hopefully soon Walcott we have those players. But they are all engaged in a tight passing game that plods left, then plods right, then plods left again. It's child's play for a decent defence to shut that down.

EDIT: watch some highlights of Vieira, Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Overmars all the way back to Anelka (especially Anelka). When we'd break out we'd do it as pace as a unit, 3 or 4 forward players storming up the pitch with the opposition defence going left, right, falling over their own feet. 15-20 seconds from back to front and into the net. This was when defenders could still kick you up in the air with little fear of being carded. We never dreamed of holding it up and playing it backwards like we do today. We never gave the opposition a chance to press, it was all over before they knew what was happening. Remember when we used to love the opposition getting a corner, because we knew we'd be up the other end in seconds?

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yes - those were the days. Now its totally the opposite - I shit myself every time we get a corner. Are we allowed to simply hand the ball back for a goal kick?

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

I hate to do the old compare him with a similar player at your rivals, but Ozil needs to start looking at David Silva and the impact he has at Man City to see what he needs to start producing for us.

Very similar players and he gets regularly shunned out wide as Pellegrini plays two up front and yet still conspires to always get on the ball and be involved in their play. Regularly their best player.

I agree that behind the striker is his best position but he has to be more flexible and realise that someone as talented as him can make a significant contribution in a wide position. The team doesn't revolve around him.

By the way Ozil is apparently injured. Got a knock on his knee and is awaiting a scan on it. Whatever you think of his recent performances the last thing we need is another injury.

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Thats what i was alluding to earlier. Silva looks dynamic, energetic and full of tricks whenever i see him and as you say when he plays wide he manages to effect the game just as well.

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Originally Posted by Injury Time

He's gone missing for the next 10-12 weeks so he will have the same performance as Theo then :(

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Played into the ground. There needs to be an internal investigation with all these injuries. It's unbelievable but not!

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

Thats what i was alluding to earlier. Silva looks dynamic, energetic and full of tricks whenever i see him and as you say when he plays wide he manages to effect the game just as well.

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Difference is he's not as precious as our Mesut and thrives on responsibility.

As frustrated as I am about the injury situation at the club overall, I don't think we're going to miss Ozil much. Hopefully he comes back fitter and hungrier because I don't think he's been an effective player for us at all.

We didn't need Cesc :haha: :haha: :haha:

The decision not to activate the clause in our transfer agreement with Barca is the most bone-headed decision our Club has made in living memory.

Not really, Arsenal fans have been having a go at Wenger for years for stockpiling CAMs instead of buying in the positions we need players in. For once he didn't do the first part.

The boneheaded decision was not doing the second part of that sentence - buying a top striker and DM. If we did that nobody would give a second thought about missing out on Cesc.

When a player of unquestionable ability is available - you sign him and make room.

Ironically we signed Ozil despite having a few creative outlets already here, unfortunately we weren't to know he was a bit of a sloth.

You sign the players in the positions you need first, unless you have a Russian/Arab billionaire that will buy you both. It wouldn't make that big of a difference if we had Cesc in this squad because we'd still have the same glaring holes. If we bought Costa up top it would make a world of difference. If we bought William Carvalho at DM it would make a world of difference. Buy both and you have a team capable of challenging for titles.

I said the exact same thing when we were first linked with Ozil. Why spend big money on a position you're well stocked in if it's at the expense of a position that genuinely needs strengthening? Of course, not strengthening at all clearly isn't the answer either, but WUMger's gonna WUM...

The other option would have been to sell Ozil to fund the Cesc move, but we've never made those Real Madrid esque reactive transfers before :shrug:

Fabregas was/is better, far better than anyone we have. We could have had him at a knock down price and sold at least one of the players he was better than. Ozil to Bayern would have been a no-brainer.

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CABAYE UNHAPPY AT PSG?
We bloody love Yohan Cabaye. He's good-looking, seems a nice chap and is bloody good at making passing a football look really sodding easy. The day he left for pastures Parisian was a sad day indeed for the Premier League.

The good news, although perhaps not for Cabaye, is that the midfielder is now reportedly growing disillusioned with life at PSG, with Cabaye having to make do with a place on the bench more often than not. Having Marco Verratti, Blaise Matuidi and Thiago Motta at the club will do that, with Adrien Rabiot and Clement Chantome also increasing competition for places.

In an interview with L'Equipe, Cabaye said: "You have to accept being a substitute, but I don't resign myself to that. When I am on the pitch, I feel it is not perfect and that I often have to leave too soon. But I know the coach and staff have to make choices and I respect that.

"Am I completely happy? To be honest, no. It is a new situation for me, but I don't complain. It is the first time I haven't played regularly for my club.

"Do I sometimes miss England? Yes. Sometimes I think about it, but I immediately sweep that away because it would cause distraction."

Woah there Yohan, stop sweeping for a minute. Please come back. You could play for Arsenal, and if you time it right you could sustain the inevitable three-month injury to coincide with the summer break and miss no football.

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Must get.

Hes Fabregas 2.0. Cesc with bite.

Best midfielder in England at time of leaving.

He could play DM, he could play next to a DM, he could play in front of 2 DMs.

We know Wenger rates him, wanted him before Ozil. Hes better than Ozil. We could do a swap plus cash.

Lets go :ladynana:

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Fabregas was/is better, far better than anyone we have. We could have had him at a knock down price and sold at least one of the players he was better than. Ozil to Bayern would have been a no-brainer.

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Agreed.

Ballague (who isnt the most popular over here) said that Cesc would have ended up at Arsenal had Wenger wanted him and player himself said that we rejected him.

Its odd because Wenger once said that Cesc wa shis biggest achievement in terms of players his brought in and he loved the guy.

Yeah but we don't need him






































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Originally Posted by Penguin

Not really, Arsenal fans have been having a go at Wenger for years for stockpiling CAMs instead of buying in the positions we need players in. For once he didn't do the first part.

The boneheaded decision was not doing the second part of that sentence - buying a top striker and DM. If we did that nobody would give a second thought about missing out on Cesc.

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Wenger will always leave us short, he has a history of doing this. Its pretty much the primary reason why he needs to go.

I made a case for Cesc being better than Ozil just after Ozil had signed for us when we were wetting ourselves about it and some ridiculed my case........and there weren't too many on here in agreement with the view at the time.

I also remember Sing talking up Sissoko at Newcastle after they signed him and for a long while I've thought he is nothing special really.....but the more and more I see him, the more I think he could quite successfully revert back to a deeper more disciplined role for us. He's a got a bit of technical nous but he also has the energy you need.

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Arsenal are in the race to sign the new Cristiano Ronaldo. His name: Goncalo Guedes.
But the Gunners will have to fight off interest from Paris Saint-Germain, Bayern Munich and possibly even Real Madrid … and take a £40million gamble on the teenager should they make a move for him next summer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-cost-40m.html

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£40mill for a nobody? Perhaps he's got huge talent, but £40mill before he's done anything? Football is all about the cash now and who can get a cut. Silly transfer rumours. Hopefully we'll sign a decent defender and a decent defensive midfielder. Fat chance but it would be nice.

It's the Daily Fuckwit, so hopefully made up.

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Arsene Wenger will get £20million in January to solve Arsenal's defensive crisis
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ve-crisis.html

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If true, then it looks like we still don't have money top spend. £20mill? Who are we going to get, in January, for that?

Mats Hummels.

Hoping we sign a CAM.. we are short on those.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Hoping we sign a CAM.. we are short on those.

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I think we need to be more specific

We need someone under 6ft, injury prone, easily outmuscled and no burst of pace

Looks like we are signing Letters..

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Mats Hummels.

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£20mill will cover his wages, what about the transfer fee?

Arteta given contract extension apparently :haha:

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NET SPEND PER POINT - THE PREMIER LEAGUE TRANSFER VALUE TABLE

Team        Total spend      Tot pts Cost per point
Everton    -£29,016,063.40  369    -£78,634.32
Tottenham  -£2,164,964.90    393    -£5,508.82
Fulham      £23,442,034.98    275    £85,243.76
Arsenal    £42,226,879.17    437    £96,629.01
Sunderland  £50,277,526.50    249    £201,917.78
Liverpool  £90,022,248.20    404    £222,827.35
Man Utd    £139,715,737.87  497    £281,118.18
Aston Villa £86,598,583.28    291    £297,589.63
Stoke City  £90,299,162.12    275    £328,360.59
Chavskis    £275,714,784.94  461    £598,079.79
Gypo cunts  £483,290,582.23  441    £1,095,897.01

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...s-Chelsea.html

:haha: A million quid per point. And the other wankers wouldn't be far behind if they hadn't been doing dodgy £50mill deals selling garbage to other comedy outfits. What a joke these two non-clubs are. We say we're under performing but what about these losers. A million a point FFS!

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

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NET SPEND PER POINT - THE PREMIER LEAGUE TRANSFER VALUE TABLE

Team        Total spend      Tot pts Cost per point
Everton    -£29,016,063.40  369    -£78,634.32
Tottenham  -£2,164,964.90    393    -£5,508.82
Fulham      £23,442,034.98    275    £85,243.76
Arsenal    £42,226,879.17    437    £96,629.01
Sunderland  £50,277,526.50    249    £201,917.78
Liverpool  £90,022,248.20    404    £222,827.35
Man Utd    £139,715,737.87  497    £281,118.18
Aston Villa £86,598,583.28    291    £297,589.63
Stoke City  £90,299,162.12    275    £328,360.59
Chavskis    £275,714,784.94  461    £598,079.79
Gypo cunts  £483,290,582.23  441    £1,095,897.01

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...s-Chelsea.html

:haha: A million quid per point. And the other wankers wouldn't be far behind if they hadn't been doing dodgy £50mill deals selling garbage to other comedy outfits. What a joke these two non-clubs are. We say we're under performing but what about these losers. A million a point FFS!

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http://i.imgur.com/fnMfsLg.jpg

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

Arteta given contract extension apparently :haha:

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if that's a joke i think it's kind of sick

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

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NET SPEND PER POINT - THE PREMIER LEAGUE TRANSFER VALUE TABLE

Team        Total spend      Tot pts Cost per point
Everton    -£29,016,063.40  369    -£78,634.32
Tottenham  -£2,164,964.90    393    -£5,508.82
Fulham      £23,442,034.98    275    £85,243.76
Arsenal    £42,226,879.17    437    £96,629.01
Sunderland  £50,277,526.50    249    £201,917.78
Liverpool  £90,022,248.20    404    £222,827.35
Man Utd    £139,715,737.87  497    £281,118.18
Aston Villa £86,598,583.28    291    £297,589.63
Stoke City  £90,299,162.12    275    £328,360.59
Chavskis    £275,714,784.94  461    £598,079.79
Gypo cunts  £483,290,582.23  441    £1,095,897.01

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...s-Chelsea.html

:haha: A million quid per point. And the other wankers wouldn't be far behind if they hadn't been doing dodgy £50mill deals selling garbage to other comedy outfits. What a joke these two non-clubs are. We say we're under performing but what about these losers. A million a point FFS!

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Chelsea have a negative net spend this season tbf.

After a decade of spending gazillions, sending their human assets on loan across the world and getting the most suspicious £50 million ever by selling to a fellow plastic club.