Graeme Souness would actually be a good signing for us (well when he was playing football as opposed to now).Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Graeme Souness would actually be a good signing for us (well when he was playing football as opposed to now).Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
That's called pulling a sicky, it's what people do when they're not happy in a job and can't be arsed :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
He has been carrying this Achilles problem all season and we have been trying to manage it. What worries me is that he could have a breakdown and that will be it, he'll be out for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
We are in a right mess in Defence, it's absolutely nuts.
I remember that. We rushed him back for the opening game or something like that. It's a joke. Something needs to change with our fitness staff. They are an embarrassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
If that graphic is true then it's a joke. Zero injuries in his three years are Madrid and suddenly he's perpetually off.
Perpetually? He played in 40 games last year, out of 54 (I'm not including the league cup)
Since he operates at 20% at every one of our games, that 40 games equals 8 games in real footballers life
Hard to believe he didn't miss a single day due to injury for Real but it is telling nevertheless.
It's a curse....there's no other explanation. On the bright side we might have Theo, Arteta and Rambo back for our next game....
spud shirts under that emirates turf
Yeah. Probably best to ignore the stats NQ posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
the 3 matches before, Ozil was actually excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Arsene really needs into throw Jack into the bushes or have him sit really deep so that he doesnt get involved with the attack. (altho Santi is better than him there too)
What a star, the only player with his own injury thread
The ultimate insult to Diaby.
Diaby is made of skittles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
Do we need Cesc yet?
No. Wenget says we have Özil who can play there.
Oh wait....
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Originally Posted by Letters
You are going to give me those stats to prove that he actually puts in a shift? Fine.. lets play the stats game with the very same link NQ provided. I just changed some of the stats that were showing what a 'glorious' signing he has been to show the negative parts of him as an Arsenal player. Dont believe me? Here you go:
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...ckles_lost#avg
I literally have no idea what 'attack score' and 'defence score' mean. All you've done is gone through and looked for stats where he's worse off and posted those. And I have no idea what 'average pass length' is supposed to show.
NQ's stats are actually relevant to the job he's supposed to be doing. Yours aren't, apart from possibly 'attack score' but as I don't know what that means and how it's calculated I can't really sensibly comment.
Do you think he will be sold in January?
I do think if you spend £40m+ on a play you build the team round them.
It's a handy tool and we can do this all day. Let's just compare Ozil to our rivals top playmakers this season. It's not pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...take_ons#total
If you compare Ozil's stats when he was at Real madrid with Cesc's in 2012/2013, you'll see what the real Ozil is about. He is flopping because of the system, the league intensity and the manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I don't doubt that. He was different player to what we have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
That is your perspective on it. I do not believe his stats prove he is doing a good job OR more importantly prove that he actually gives a F about putting on the shirt. He can have ability along the likes of Ronaldo and Messi, but if he floats around the field looking disinterested, I dont want him in my team. I'd rather have a Coquelin start ahead of him, if that means Coquelin puts in a shift.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You've just demonstrated he's not a defender. We already knew that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Nothing like the same as a season of stats set against the players who are supposedly doing a day's work while Ozil is supposedly stealing a living. You guys are reaching so hard it's a wraparound. People who are claiming Ozil is lazy and a shirker don't have a leg to stand on when the facts are taken into account. On the other hand, if the yardstick is media myths then fair enough - stealing a living.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Wilshere and Cazorla weren't good last season. You won't find many on here that will argue otherwise. Jack was getting slated last season and Cazorla was getting a bit of stick too. That comparison doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Compare Ozil's stats to the rest of the top midfielders in the league and he doesn't stand out as one of the world's best playmakers. Ramsey was by far our best midfield player and it's worth taking a good look at those defensive stats. Ozil has the lowest numbers in the defensive area and that's where this lazy tag comes from. Also, what he offers on attack isn't enough to completely bypass his defensive duties. He doesn't top any of the categories. He has one more assist than Ramsey and half the goals but look at Ramsey's defensive contribution. This is fact. If defending isn't part of his game, he has to at least be an absolute beast on attack and he isn't. This isn't media myth. It's funny, today in another thread we've been talking about Dennis Bergkamp and your talking as if we haven't seen the very best at this club.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...ceptions#total
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
For the hype and hoopla created around this 'genius', we deserve better stats than that. He stands out as 'slightly' better among a bad bunch, and he is automatically good?! If we wanted a 10 million worth of midfielder, we might as well have got a 10 million quid player. Ozil was a player we did not need (and still do not need), but was brought in because Wenger was caught napping (as usual) in last years transfer window.
I remember watching him for Madrid and he was quick and always looked strong on the ball. At Arsenal, he looks lethargic at best. He probably feels that he deserves a better team. Whatever it is, all I care about from the team is that they show some fight and I do not see anything in Ozil signifying 'fight'.
That's the thing, with both of you and others like you. Nobody is saying he's been a 'genius'. Not many, if any, have claimed he's been performing like one of the world's best playmakers. But the media has taken his solid performances, if not spectacular but just as good as anyone else on the team, and turned that into "stealing a living", lazy, non-committed, etc. And some fans have jumped right onto that bandwagon despite all the evidence to the contrary. Some are now saying they hope he's sold. Of course that's idiotic beyond comprehension, for many reason - some on-field and others off it. There's such a myopic fervour that's struck the likely suspects they don't even milk the "Wenger playing him out of position" udder (which is usually the gift that keeps on giving). It's shitty when our own fans start doing the media's job for them.
You said "your" :haha:Quote:
It's funny, today in another thread we've been talking about Dennis Bergkamp and your talking as if we haven't seen the very best at this club.
The thing is, in terms of distance covered, Ozil had the third highest total in our team until Feb/Mar when he went out injured for 6/7 weeks.
Giroud also had a 'lazy' tag last season. But he was top of the pile when it came to our club. You would assume Ramsey or Flamini perhaps but nope, it was Giroud.
Unless Ozil is running round like a good old Englishman, giving it so real 'effort' and proper 'spirit' then he's just tagged as lazy.
Stats. :haha:
Özil has been sub-par for however long now in our shirt.
No need to draw up meaningless stats to try and prove otherwise.
My tag for him would be 'mediocre'. While you shouldn't judge a player by how much was paid for him - in this instance you can't help it - at least I can't. By that measure, he is a massive disappointment.
What is even worse though, is that we have seen, elsewhere, that his is capable of much more than mediocre and we just aren't getting it. By that measure too, he is a massive disappointment.
He is the perfect illustration of why this Club can't and won't be able to compete with the likes of City and Chelsea on a sustained basis. We blow £42m on a player, our opportunity cost is precisely £42m. City and admittedly now, to a lesser extent, Chelsea, don't need to worry about trifling measures such as opportunity cost. If they spend £42m and it doesn't work out, they just go and keep on spending £42m on a player until it does work out.
We will never be able to do it, which is why we need to be so much smarter with our resources. In this instance we have been incredibly stupid. We either picked the wrong player, or we are playing him wrong, which is yet another massive disappointment.
Like my face.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
This Ozil situation gets dragged up so much because guys like you want to drag up stats and keep talking as if there isn't a problem and it just adds to the scrutiny.
Example, if anyone on here decided to drag up Ramsey's stats for this year and attempted to argue that he's performing anywhere close to how he was performing last season, I'd be right here disputing it and saying you're mad. But it's generally accepted that he's under-performing so we don't get such long drawn out debates on here.
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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
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Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View
We also don't get calls for Ramsey to be sold or accusations he's stealing a living. Regarding Ozil, it is generally accepted he's not performing to the levels he's capable of. But he's certainly not lazy and certainly doesn't stand out as a particularly poor performer when measured against the other players in the squad. That's the myth the media and some of the genuinely lazy fans run (or sort of trudge) with. Nothing wrong with fans observing he's not performing to the levels we have seen him display at other clubs, plenty wrong with them then leaping to easily disprovable conclusions. Even worse listening to some hoping one of our best players gets sold. But we know, a run of form from any player and he's the next best thing to the fair-weather fans, and vice versa.Quote:
But it's generally accepted that he's under-performing so we don't get such long drawn out debates on here.
This following on from the fantasy musings of Rob 'the twat' Shitturd in the Daily Man Utd who exclusively revealed Ozil is off to Bayern, the gypos are after Messi and 101 other made up column stuffers. #stealingalivingQuote:
The German playmaker tweeted: 'Thanks for your support following my injury. I'll come back on the pitch soon as I can to help #AFC. Now and in the future #MiaSanArsenal.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz3G3wHK36j
Unfortunately I don't think the arguments of his supposed lethargy or disinterest are at all necessary to convey a reasonable argument for him flattering to deceive.
I think his style of play makes him prone to such titles that we have long been opposed to on this Island, but again it is not a necessary angle and we certainly didn't pay the gold for his defensive capabilities. He does need to offer something of a return though and I suspect Wenger's reticence to dropping him has something to do with the fact he is patently aware he has been playing him out of position.
I know NQ doesn't like any praise of City players as do many others here, but I agree with AFC Lev's observation of Silva. When I watch him, he usually cuts the figure of a play maker who's powers I long to see over the Arsenal. He has a knack of finding space for himself (much like Ozil) but also constantly works angles to put his team mates through on goal too. He is incredibly difficult to subdue over a 90 minutes and because of it, nobody will give much thought to what he does when he is running back or how little defensive prowess he has. He is an Arsenal player really....and pretty much a more polished reliable version of what Rosicky once was.....though not as tenacious defending.
Kompany is an Arsenal player if I ever saw one and Wenger should have moved mountains to sign him years ago. Fantastic on the field ability wise, leads vocally as well as by example without having to racially abuse folk, shag team mates wives or spit in peoples faces.....and exemplary off the field. This is not just to wind up NQ either.
The pitchforks will be allayed a little whilst Nemo's out and we can all sharpen them for Wilshere and Ramsey once more and yell about how much we should sell the both before they lose all their milk teeth.
If they played for us I'd agree. As it it, they don't, so they are cunts. Cut and dried and pretty obvious.
The other players in the squad aren't rated as the world's best playmakers so saying he's doing no worse than the rest doesn't help. We bought him to lead the way, not to get lost in the crowd with average performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You admit and accept that he's not performing as should, so I don't get all the fuss. You don't recall some folks saying Wilshere should be sold? It wouldn't be far fetched for calls for Ramsey to be sold prior to last season either. That's what happens on here often and it's not as if people need to be lead by the media. What was your take on the Arshavin situation? Was he underperforming or were we all brainwashed by the media? I don't recall you jumping to his defence in this same way if I recall correctly.
You put way too much stock into the crap that the media write as if the fans on here aren't already skeptical of their stories. In a lot of cases, they're playing catch up and react to what fans are saying. We're still waiting for them to get off this 'winning ugly' talk as if we're still playing beautiful and entertaining football. Most of the Ozil flack, their finding on social media and forums and just trying to spin a buck.