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It is widely thought within the industry of design and architecture that architects peak at 60 for various reasons. I won't bore you with why. Though I'm sure people can think of other jobs where it is possible. :dQuote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
I'm not going for the "one more season" thing again, he's had one more season for as long as I remember. It's time for him to move on now, sure we're doing OK at the moment but we've been nowhere for most of the season and it's the same every season, it's been a very poor quality league this time round where all the bigger teams have been under par bar maybe Chelsea in any other season we'd be in all likelyness not in the top 4 right now, I just don't see Wenger as the man to take us forward, he's had plenty of opportunities and failed to deliver I'm afraid.
Let's thank him for all the memories and let someone else have a go at building something we cn be excited about now.
That's a bit harsh. I don't rate Utd that highly either but actually their results are pretty good this year, they've only lost 3 games at home all season, including ours. They beat Liverpool, drew with Chelsea, haven't played City or us yet in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
And I certainly don't agree we have had many embarrassments this season, certainly not double figures.
Besiktas - We struggled through CL qualification 1-0 on aggregate with some really poor football. If their strikers weren't dogshit, we would have gotten bungled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Leicester - Drew 1-1 against the newly promoted whipping boys. We were awful
Dortmund - Got outplayed by a woefully out of form Dortmund, possibly one of the worst performances this year for application and preparation
Southampton (Rumbelows Cup) - Got banged out of the league cup in the first round
Spurs - 1-1 at home against a side who were really struggling. We didn't turn up and spurned a great chance to get our season going
Chelsea - 0-2 after last season, you would expect we'd be right up for this. No. We bottled it again, and had it not been for poor finishing on Chelsea's part, we would have been trounced again. The result was very flattering on us.
Hull - 2-2 looked like a nailed on thrashing when Alexis netted early. Then we proceeded to gift them two goals, and only just about managed to get level through Welbeck at the end. Was there, and it was shite.
Anderlecht - 3-3 Three up at half time, and another Arsenal collapse saw us give away three second half goals. Shocking
Swansea - 1-2 Same old, same old. No respect for the opposition. Fucking dire football, which then was repeated in....
Man Utd 1-2 at home against a shambolic Utd team there for the taking, just like Spurs were earlier in the season. We just gave it to them on a platter.
Stoke 2-3 again, we should have known what was coming at that shit hole. After all, it happens every year. And we got another gutless performance, and let fucking Peter Crouch (Peter Fucking Crouch) score in the first minute. 0-3 down at half time!! Against Stoke!!
Saints 0-2 same again. Gutless, rubbish, insipid performance
Spurs 1-2
Monaco 1-3 (only two weeks ago)
Enough rubbish for you??
You're having to reach a bit there. I don't think many if any of those are humiliations, there are some really poor performances and results but you can cherry pick those for any club in any season. None of those are like last year's hammerings. Admittedly I didn't see all of those, I did see the Dortmund one and agree we were really awlful that day. I'll give you Stoke too as we were 3-0 down at half time. Against Stoke :doh:
Yeah but apart from that...Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
I think the point, is that a club with ambition, doesn't crap out like that. We have a squad that should be rivalling Chelsea for the title off the back of last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
We have failed miserably to live up to that this season.
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Originally Posted by Letters
We saved all our humiliations for last season where we got pummelled by a number of teams. This season it's just been indifferent form, some awful results and some pretty poor performances even when we have won. The standard of the league has been shocking, we're fortunate it has been or we'd be nowhere.
Letter's is too far gone. If a turd needs polishing, he's your man for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Chelsea have had some stinkers tooQuote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Chelsea 1 - Shalke 1 (Really should be beating them at home).
NK Maribor 1 - Chelsea 1 (Who? :lol:)
Chelsea 2 - PSG 2 (Played against 10 men for most of it)
Chelsea 2 - Bradford 4 (:haha:)
Chelsea 1 - Burnley 1
Chelsea 3 - Spurs 5.
Sunderland 0 - Chelsea 0
I honestly don't know what to make of this season, it feels like we've been pretty disappointing but we could yet finish 2nd and win the Cup, that wouldn't be a bad season. We should be challenging for the league but I do see the results in Manchester as significant in terms of our ability to win those big games. I agree with FY that we need to beat Chelsea at home. If we do that then I think we've got a real chance of pushing on next season although concede we've thought that before.
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Not enough evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Well, it isn't. Few if any of those are humiliations and you can cherry pick any team's results like I have with Chelsea and do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
He cherry picked 14 results, that's impressive Cherry picking tbf.
I don't give a monkey's about Chelsea (and even if I did, I'd ask you to look where they are in the table)Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I want this Arsenal team to perform to it's full potential, and eradicate the perennial failure to be where a club of our standing should be. We have the team, therefore, we should be doing much better. And only one man is responsible for that.
I hold no ill will towards Wenger. It's just time to go, as nothing has changed. And unless I'm completely wrong (and I'd love to be proved wrong), we'll carry on doing exactly the same, year on year.
Well, I guess the question is: is this yet another false dawn or is there actually a change in quality and mentality which will see us sustain our recent form over the course of a season and thus seriously challenge next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
I've suggested a few things which may indicate a change: we won the Cup last year, we're back in the semi-final this, we've beaten both Manchester clubs away, one in a Cup Quarter final - the exact sort of game where we traditionally crumble and I think you're being harsh dismissing that, that was only their 3rd home defeat this season. If we beat Chelsea then it will be another sign that we can stand up and be counted in games against teams we should be rivalling.
Can we somehow incorporate making posts 'favorites' on here? I would love to have that ability. Why? Because I am 200% sure you looked at some false dawns every season and thought that this just may be it. I would love to go back and do some research but 13,500 posts is a lot to look through!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
May, might, could....Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The overwhelming evidence, every time we've started getting optimistic, is that we'll fluff our lines. I really am hopeful that we'll finally, after all this waiting, make an assault on the major prizes and consistently challenge the moneybags clubs.
The evidence of past failures, and the patchy/poor form up until the last few months says otherwise.
My point is, that we already should be there. I think we all know that if Wenger hadn't found his Coq, we probably wouldn't have had this moderate success of late. And that really was a stumble into luck, rather than judgement of a player he thought was dead a buried. There are still major questions over his man-management and tactical nouse....and that won't change because he's still stubborn. So that will prove his undoing when it comes to crunch time.
Say we were in a position to challenge Chelsea at the end of April, and we come up against them. I think we all know what will happen.
Why are you completely ignoring the reasons why I've said there may be a difference? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Wenger is slow to adapt at times but he does do so. I'm as worried about his unnecessary gambles in the transfer market as much as anything else. Going into the season the way we did was never sufficient for a convincing title challenge and imo it was quite needless, negligent even. A back up CB is nowhere near as problematic an issue to address as lacking the basic quality in the first team.
So what if you end up with a player you don't want for the next 10 years......we already have players in the squad we don't necessarily want.
Had Gabriel arrived last summer, we might well be looking at a title challenge this season. Mertesacker could have been hooked when he was struggling as could have Chambers when he was having his difficulties had we had Gabriel half a season before we signed him.
We are now an interesting situation because when the season ends there is no glaring hole to plug. You'd ideally want someone in to compete and compliment Coquelin who are superior to Flamini and Arteta and in an ideal world a world class centre forward but those are finer details. Giroud has made considerable strides forward though so the position doesn't require the same attention we would have given it before.
If Wenger isn't quite so behind the ball with squad preparation I'm happy for him to stay. We've relinquished possession in enough games to be convinced that we are willing to tweak our game to get the results. As we showed against West Ham the flowing football doesn't have to be a thing of the past either.
I have replied to them within this thread and so have many others. I cannot change your personal perspective in believing in false dawns.. what I was hoping instead to show was how you do this every season without fail. You will find any and every reason to prove that 'something is different this season' and put that as a reason for AW to stay.
Well, we all know what's happened time and time again previously, and we mostly thought it would happen against Utd last Monday, but it didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Is that a one off or is it a sign that this lot finally have the mentality to win the big games?
You really haven't.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Page 4 of this thread has a few of my posts and page 3 has one. There is not much to add that I probably havent said in about 3000 of my other posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yep. Every year he does this.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Probably because you say it every year. You also ask the same question every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You're worse than the toddler in the back seat asking, 'are we there yet'? every five minutes.
We ain't never getting there with Wenger in charge.
Did you think we'd beat Utd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
Throw enough shit at the wall, some of it has to stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
More loose bowel movements tonight though.
Tonight sums it up, just like every season we're galant losers in the last 16 of the CL, nothing really changes does it?
No need for match reaction threads anymore. It's all right here.
Personally I think it's idiotic defending this manager any longer.
Yep, we can't even use the excuse of losing to a decent side. They are the worst team left in the tournament and they tore us apart in the first leg. I don't even know what to say anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
We won 2-0 :lol:
The damage was done in the first leg, why are you wetting your pants weeks later?
No. I did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
But let's not pretend that is some kind of achievement.
Monaco could well have been beaten 3-0 tonight, given the team we have against theirs. No pant wetting here, just another example of of our perennial glorious failures ..we've grown a big rep in this shit now, in case you haven't noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
This thread is about Wenger & his failings. Gallant losers get nothing, we failed again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You can't see why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Really?
Someone's just trying to generate posts. It can be the only reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
Yeah! We should be celebrating!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Perry, get your fork...
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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
Too right it is not an achievement, it's an embarrassment our recent record against united.