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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I rate Ramsey but we do lack width and balance when he's on the wing and Sanchez on the other. Yet Santi and Ozil are first names on the teamsheet in their current positions. When Ox is back does Ramsey drop to the bench?
Yes, but then I would rotate my squad more than Wenger. Ill give Ramsey this much, take away his infuriating tendency to try and be the unilateral hero and getting dispossessed, he has been quite effective when he has come off the bench. Against Man United in the cup, he ran a lot and was prepared to take a yellow for the team and in the second leg against Monaco he was the best player on the pitch for his twenty minute cameo.
I would rotate a lot more as well. I'd give Theo some playing time and see if he is worth keeping or not. I'd also give Welbeck more time in the middle and give Santi some well needed rest.
I think Wenger has made his mind up over Theo. I'd be surprised to see him on an Arsenal treatment table next season.
If we can get 20-25 million for Theo then TBH we should take it and move him on, if it is to one of our rivals then so be it. This team has moved on and if I am honest I see no place for Theo in it, not now and not in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
IMO OX is a superior player and over time will have a much more successful career here. OX is very versatile too.
Don't get me wrong i think Theo is a useful player but he is simply too limited for the way this team is being built.
Theo has one trick only. In 3 years time he wont have even that.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Theo doesn't actually utilise his pace that well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
It's his movement that's his best attribute.
In games where we are likely to have space to play, Theo would be brilliant. Especially with our creative players really clicking into gear this season.
If we buy Reus or Lacazette, then selling him wouldn't be a problem. But as that's unlikely, it's best to keep a player who can offer double figure in goals and assists. Hopefully he gets some playing time in these last five games. If he did go to Citeh or Liverpool and tore shit up, it would be annoying to say the least.
Theo is not going to cut it in any big team. He will have 3 years more of top level football.. after that he might as well hang up his boots. He has been at Arsenal for over 10 years and he has never done much to think he will ever 'tear shit up'. I would rather we invest in an 'up and coming Theo' aka Sterling than persist with him.
Sterling?
He's the new Barkley.
That is still better than the old Walcott
Well no.
We'll agree to disagree.
Or agree to agree that you're comprehensively wrong.
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Originally Posted by Master Splinter
I don't want Sterling anywhere near this Club.
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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You can't see Theo cutting it at Chelsea with their simple direct style of play? Deep defending in numbers and quick transition counter attacks with the least amount of passes possible instead of all the intricate plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Amazes me how Arsenal fans forget the times Theo's been our main player popping up with the important goal and assist when needed. He hasn't had a major slump in form he's been out injured for a year and hasn't won his spot back. Short memories around here.
Why are we suddenly looking to get rid of players now we have the squad depth we've always craved? I don't get it. It's a squad we're looking to build isn't it? Not a collection of big time charlies. The gypos did that and couldn't even buy back to back titles. Mercenaries don't last the distance, they win something and then they are ready for the next pay day. Theo is one of our longest serving players. He has Arsenal experience running through him. It would serve us to try to be integrating him into a rotating squad.
Our real problem is we have an inflexible manager who doesn't have enough imagination to fully utilise our squad.
Well I am all for Theo sticking around/us keeping him if he is happy to play the part of a squad player, I just don't think we should make room for him in the team and we certainly shouldn't be bowing down to crazy wage demands.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Theo does deliver and he is a good player but I do feel that this is the strongest Arsenal team we have had for quite some time and I don't think Theo is good enough to be first choice, not even the Theo of a couple of years ago would be guaranteed to start in this team. Despite all that I don't actually want us to sell him if we don't need to, I accept that if we want to challenge the very best then we need the very best squad.
but I do think there is scope to rotate though. there are enough games in a season with injuries and suspensions to give everyone plenty of game time. we should be in a position where for example sanchez can be rested for a game here or there as at some point we will go past the first knock round in the CL so we need as many players match fit. I think Theo is a player that needs to be playing, I don't think he is an impact player. he also fits the home grown quota so that is always helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
also all the players are on silly wages and does not paying him silly wages really effect the fans as prices still stay the same or go up regardless and with the next mega TV deal. people shouldn't worry about wages and transfer fees because its not our money directly. if we don't spend money there is no correlation with what the fans pay.
We're currently shoehorning Ramsey into the winger position with Welbeck as backup, and Ox is out injured again. It amazes me that Theo isn't starting more games. We're not blessed with an abundance of talent on the wing. If Sanchez were to pick up an injury I'd be worried. Besides Ox, whose injury and inconsistent, who would you want playing on the wing? Welbeck? Ramsey? Wilshere?
Frankly speaking, I dont think he will be good at Chelsea. His ball control is non-existent and his finishing isnt the greatest either. As for the important goal or assist, he hasnt done that consistently enough for me to want Arsenal to put an extra effort to keep him. I can remember Bendtner popping up with some important goals and assists in one of the seasons... that shouldnt be a reason for him to be at the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I think Sterling and him are on the save level but Sterling is younger, so there is room for improvement. Theo is near the end of his 'best career phase' and he also had an ACL surgery, which is one of the worst surgeries to have for a quick player.
I don't know how many times I've rattled off Theo's stats on here but when he's fit and starting games he's usually one of our top goal scorers and one of the top goal scoring midfielders in the league. Not just over one season either. It's all there to find on Google.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
As for Chelsea, you don't need to the tightest of touches like you do in ours when playing counterattack football. One pass over the top or a into space from Cesc, Theo runs on to it with pace and either takes it himself or squares it to Hazard or Costa. Very simple but effective. That suits Theo all day.
In our team, what's most likely to happen is that we'll get rid of Theo and the right wing will become the rotating hot seat position. Ramsey will get a go there, Welbeck will get a go and when Wilshere's fit he'll probably see games there and the same will happen for Ox when he gets back. I don't see Wenger replacing Theo. when Welbeck arrived, I said it was a wrap for Theo and it's a waste of development because in a few years will have Welbeck wanting a go as striker but his output on the wing will be far less than what Theo would do.
The bottom line is he wouldn't get a start for any of our rivals. Absolutely no chance of playing up front for any of them, and he'd be limited being a wide player coming off the bench (if he even makes the bench in some of those squads). I'm not sure he knows just how lucky he has been to have the kind of game time he has had for us in the past. So why should he start for us? Why should he be one of our top earners?
Now we've joined the rest of the pack in terms of squad depth and competition for places, and it's up to Theo to earn a place in the side. If he's not up for that challenge he's probably not the kind of person who'll win us trophies anyway.
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All hypothetical. We have no idea what will happen with Theo's career beyond Arsenal. We can only speculate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
If we had a top class winger playing on the right, the sort of quality we have in Snachez, then i'd have no qualms about Theo being on the beach. But the fact is we've got Ramsey playing out of position with Welbeck as back up who has a poor goal scoring record and sent packing by Utd. I don't see either excelling in that position and we have to buy if Theo is sold.
Wenger has apparently spoken to both Theo and Jenks telling them both he wants them to stay at Arsenal.
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Theo :haha:
Walcott would compliment Chelsea well I think, with Hazard carrying the ball from the left and Walcott being more direct on the opposite flank. Willian has real potential and creates a lot of space but lacks an end product a lot of the time. Although, the question mark over Theo - especially at a time when he is probably more anxious than ever about his future as a starter, let alone a striker - is working hard for the team. That is the most important thing Mourinho demands above all else. So added to Walcott's fragile injury, he'd have a tough time becoming that player.