Giroud was pathetic tonight. Not just the misses but the all round lethargic display. Barely won a header, didn't hold the ball up and was a complete statue in the box.
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Giroud was pathetic tonight. Not just the misses but the all round lethargic display. Barely won a header, didn't hold the ball up and was a complete statue in the box.
Ramsey's goal should have stood, it was a great goal and yes Giroud SHOULD HAVE scored but didn't. I think we're both agreeing with each other in the sense that it's not good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
liver or heart disease do you reckon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
I'm not sure about that, I thought Coq and Gabriel were excellent tonight and both have that little bit of cynicism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Like most people I think we're a top striker short but for me the biggest weakness now is Wenger for the complete lack of tactics and management. And his refusal to play players in their best positions.
He really is atrocious at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
Which makes the moments of genius he can provide even more baffling. No chance we can win the league with someone who blows hot and cold like him.
Coq will grow into an excellent player but he's still a work in progress. Gabriel had an awful first half alongside Chambers and he also isn't a starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
We don't have the players willing to be cynical and manage the game, the type of bastards that get under the skin of their opponents and fans. We've missed it for years. These players inspire the rest of the team around them and we sorely lack that in defence and midfield.
It's an anaemic team that lacks personality.
Nothing esle to add as everything has been said but i just cannot understand why we play slow football every time? if anyone can get the heatmap for today, the ball was out on the left every minute, we barely stretched them and the right hand side was free all game. If you want to win games, you are gonna have to strech teams and use the whole width of the pitch and play with pace, we dont do any of that.
Its gonna a lon hard season and if we fail to win a proper trophy, i can see Ozil or Sanchez wanting out.
Pffffffnaaaarrr!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Sorry
Chambers had a shocker but Gabriel covered his ass quite a bit. I've been impressed whenever I've seen him and think he and Kos would make a really good partnership.
I agree as a team we lack the cynicism but does buying players solve that if they are then coached just to go out and express themselves.
he has enough pussy's around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Nothing is going to change until he goes, the biggest signing we can make is a manager.So frustrating to watch and it repeats season after season. Just heard his interview I'm now fully convinced the man is a bumbling fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
What does Wenger do these days?
Well this why Wenger used to be successful. He bought players with strong personalities once upon a time, players built to last in this league. They were never coached back then either and they were strong and smart enough to figure it out because they learnt from the English contingent already at the club. Players like Adams and co who knew you had to be a bastard to win. This lot have been kissed and cuddled by their manager for years with no-one to kick them up their arse. No one to lead them. I agree about Gabriel, he's mostly played well when he's appeared but he's no leader. We have lacked those guys for a decade, and instead we have delicate little flowers more content with top four than dying for the cause to win a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
I think it's Santi that needs to go. Coq is our only defensive midfielder, Ramsey is our only box to box midfielder who has a knack for arriving late and getting on the end of things.
We need Ox or Theo out wide. We need Sanchez and Ozil on the pitch.
I love Cazorla, but we can't fit em all on the pitch.
Sanchez should be upfront.
They can all play and remain fresh if we rotate from time to time, the problem is WUMger always realises this too late when the damage is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Also, well done to Cech. Saved us a point so I make that -2 on the supposed 'worth 12-15 points' scale.
I thought we were really good in the second half and the difference was obviously the fact we had too many blunt instruments and players off their game.
Cech looked like a world class keeper. His saves today were as good as anything we will see from any keeper all season.
Chambers was shaky but it was hardly surprising given the magnitude of the game and just how little game time he sees now. I almost thought it was a joke when I saw Chambers AND Gabriel lining up!
Coquelin was outstanding and I didn't think Ozil was far behind.
I said before the Chelsea game we didn't have a title winning team so I didn't think we could seriously win the league and I still don't but I would like to see progress. Mehhh
Next 5 PL games:
Newcastle (a)
Stoke (H)
Chelsea (a)
Leicester (a)
United (h)
#WengerOut is trending worldwide too :lol:
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No point blaming just Giroud.
We have overrated attacking mids who dont know how to break well drilled teams down. Sanchez, Ozil, Ramsey are just not as cute in tight spaces as Silva, Yaya Toure and Aguero.
So the solution is drive and pace but this man is refusing to start Oxlade Chamberlain and Walcott so what can you do.
Shame that Giroud is going to cost us 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Gabriel had a better second half. I'm a fan of Coquelin and thought he played really well. Saved our bacon with good tackles and one or two slick passes. Cech really saved our bacon too. We'd have lost that game without his saves. I thought Monreal was decent as well. Not fantastic but solid. Bit of an unsung hero around here. Ozil had 20 minutes in the 2nd half where he came alive. But when the subs were made it's like he went flat again and that's when we needed him to keep up the pressure.
Cazorla was dog shit. He has these moments where he plays really well one game and then just goes off the boil. Too inconsistent and as I was discussing last week with a couple of posters, he's not as good as Cesc. Some poor passing decisions, sloppy defending and really below par for a man of his ability. Needed him to turn up today and he didn't.
Ramsey....what do we do with this guy. Works hard but his passing and control is awful at times. Poor decisions....he loses the ball too often and it's why he isn't playing in the middle. Wenger values the quality of his runs, work rate and finishing over his passing and decision making in the middle. Needed a big game from him but I'm sure he'll play again in that middle.
Giroud was Giroud. I just hope the sub was an indication from Wenger that he wasn't happy. A complete chump move to fall over in the box when he had that chance. He was a chump all game. And speaking of subs. Why does Wenger feel the need disrupt the flow by taking off Coquelin? Team selection was poor again and left it way too late for subs. Not a good one for the manager.
The question is....how many more points would / will he save us over Sneezy / Ospina....?
That was shit, and thats doing a dis-service to shit
Same shit different season.
This cunt is right, I'm afraid.
Vidal - £28mill, 90K pw. We didn't need him, apparently.Quote:
‘To think that you are not going to adapt your team, to change to impact on the other teams that you’re playing against and their strengths.
‘It is either naive or arrogance, because they keep losing this way. (If it is) belief, it is misheld belief.’
He compared lists of the players at Arsenal in Wenger’s early days — when he had Patrick Vieira and Emmanuel Petit at his disposal — with the Gunners’ squad in the last six years.
Neville said: ‘I just cannot get my head around why he would not sign players of power to assist these talented players that you’ve got to enable them to win the league.’
'You could make one mistake... But then you sign (Mikel) Arteta and you turn him into a midfield player. Rosicky signs, wide player, turn him into a midfield player. Ramsey plays midfield even though he is a wide midfield player. Cazorla now, this team here. It is a continual string of errors, it's a sustained period time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...arrogance.html
Wenger needs to leave, he's had his chances to leave on a high
it's only going to get worse
He's been abysmal for a LONG time
It's not even spending money, it's simply setting the team out properly. ffs
No amount of new players can make up for insane management. There is no intelligence amongst the players because they are not taught tactically, not positioned strategically. Ramsey, Cazorla were having bad games. THEY should have come off for Ox and Theo. Lunatic in charge of an asylum.
All that talk of a 'strong start to the season' etc from Wenger. That soon went to shit. Poor start means we have no room for error again.
Same stuff different season, and I can't believe I fall for all the talk before every season. I'm such a mug, although at no point did I think we were ever in with a chance of the title, not even the slightest, but top 2-3, yes. Again looks like a struggle for 4th, for what it's worth.
Damn I agree with Neville as well :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He also got a mention of "power" in too.
:sarcy:Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Keep the same players, change the manager and all will be fine? Nah get the players in, then change the manager tbf.
Momentum. This team doesn't know the meaning of the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexander
I wish I could say for sure that we will be fine, but what I can say for sure is that there will be an attempt to fix a broken system. At least we will try to do something different. Frankly that is good enough for me. This team is filled with potential and we are seeing very little of it because of the manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
So what have we learned from that game? Not much that we didn't already know. Our defence is shit, our offence is shit. We're only three games into the season and we've failed to score in two home games. Wengerball :lol:
I think Cech really needed a game like this to put West Ham behind him. I hope that performance gives him the confidence to start bossing his defenders around more because Cech has been exposed in every game this season. They need someone to give them a bollocking because it wont be Wenger.
Giroud is a sack of shit. Usually he's at least an outlet for us when we need to get the ball up the pitch quickly with a long ball, but in games when a CB dominates him in the air he has nothing. Skrtel didn't give him a chance aerially and that took him out of the game. Terry usually does that to him too.
Did you watch Cesc against West Brom a couple of days ago? He was just as bad, if not worse. It's just form, but when both are on song I'd pick Cazorla every time. On current form he shouldn't be playing though. What's the point of having a lot of CMs if you can't rotate them when one of them is playing badly? A bit of time on the bench might be what he needs to fix himself up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Small fix thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Seriously, whats the point?. Weve beeen through a dozen seasons of Wenger fking things up no matter the players. Ramsey, Cazorla need to sit the next few games out. The manager needs to go at the end of this contract. Enough is enough
I think you and I both know that as long as we get top four, Only Wenger decides when he goes. He's with us for another five years at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
I can't understand why the better players ie Ozil & Sanchez are not on Wengers case regarding improving the squad. Giroud is awful, really awful. how many times did we see the ball go from side to side 30 yards out with Giroud standign still in the box. He needs to be making quick movements to open up space or receive a through ball. Wenger stated yesterday on Sky that he didn't feel sorry for Liverpool regarding losing their best players every year because they didn't sell us Suarez. This then confirms that Wenger knows the type of striker we need ( therefore not Giroud ) but has done absolutely F.A. about getting anyone in. Doesn't matter if they're not quite as good as Suarez, they'll still be better than Giroud.
He will consider retiring at 70, maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Probably right because for whatever reason Wenger remain a big draw for the players. I guess he delivers on promises of the easy life. London scene, big bucks, titles optional.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
With Cazorla it's not current form. He looked good against Palace and was totally crap today. He's done that before last season towards the end when chasing second. Had a string of very good games and then had an awful game where the passing and decisions totally off. He's always been like that. Both on good form.... I don't see Santi getting over 20 assists and 15 goals or more. He really hasn't got it in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Players who ask that of Wenger are shown the door. He wouldn't listen to our long serving captains, Vieira, Henry, Cesc or RVP so he won't listen to new arrivals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine