Yeah. I guess if you completely misrepresent my argument you could put it like that. Well done, you win teh internets :good:
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Yeah. I guess if you completely misrepresent my argument you could put it like that. Well done, you win teh internets :good:
You must have a nightmare arranging things with people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsene Wenger
I have a keen sense of time, I know how long a decade is for example. I also know that history doesn't disappear at the start of each new season. I can teach you these things if you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
Cool. If you could just grasp how situations can change over time and how that may affect things then you'll be able to understand my stance. :tiphat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsene Wenger
Posts to Letters in relation to Wenger is like chatting to a religious person if your an atheist. With regards to god, we can safely suggest that either a, God is real & created the earth & all the creatures that live on it or b, We had some kind of big-bang theory & the rest is down to evolution.
With regards to our stadium move - it seems like some on here cannot even get it in their heads that the stadium move was NOT done to make us kings of Europe or NOT done with the end goal of AFC being far better off.
Like the religious story - we have 2 choices.
Choice 1, Danny Fitz, Wenger & the board sat down in the early 2000's & said. We need to build a bigger stadium to increase our revenues, make it easier to more fans to come & see us & therefore give you more money to spend on players MR Wenger. This will make us unbeatable in our domestic league, a league we are already winning or finishing 2nd regularly & it will mean we can take on the bloody Spanish & Italians to win the European cup on a regular basis. Ok - lets get the money in place & do something in 2005/6.
Choice 2, Danny Fitz, Wenger & the board realised at some stage in early 2000's that they were sitting on a gold mine but the lack of potential to re-develop Highbury would ruin the chance to sell the club for serious money.
Things to think about when making your decision.
1, Arsenal shareholders were like family - selling shares in Arsenal was unthinkable to all the family members.
2, We undertook quite a bit of work at Highbury early 2000's - some of which necessary, some of which not if you were thinking of moving stadium.
3, During Highbury work, we played at Wembley 87,000 attendance. Did the penny drop!!
4, Not long after this, we here about project Emirates.
5, Due to comparatively poor kit & sponsorship deals, gate receipts were fairly crucial to have a vehicle to repay the stadium loan. Not so much as issue for family share holders who intend to stay around for many years as they can balance the books by other means but very important if you are intending to sell to an outside party. Hence the highest ticket prices in Europe.
6, Arsenal shares that have never been for sale on mass are greedily gobbled up by a Yank & a Russian making Fitz, Wenger & other shareholders far more wealthier than they were owning that poor old stadium down the road.
7, Who is paying for the loan that made Fitz & the gang amazingly wealthy. You, me, & Sky!!
And in all this time, up until 2013 - the team hadn't won a trophy or even competed for one. Apart from Letters & probably Dougie R, is there really anyone else around who believes in God!!!
How things change over time? Seriously? It's the fact yer man won't budge an inch that causes the problems. The predictability of it all. The lack of change, the lack of innovation, the failure to learn from what went before. Only you could defend Wenger by introducing the concept of change. But I'm not saying that with a scowl, I'm smiling, it's entertaining in its ridiculousness, that's what makes it fun posting here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
Not really. My position has shifted quite a lot over the last couple of years, in both directions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Wenger out early last season, Wenger in at the end when we had the good run, finished 3rd and retained the FA Cup.
Still Wenger In now but with a caveat that if we don't challenge this (you may need to look that word up) season then he should be sacked.
It's you and the other Fundamentalist Wengerophobes who are completely entrenched in your opinions and won't budge an inch no matter what happens.
Says the man who after 4 games confidently agreed we'd be 10 points off the top after 8 games, and after 2 CL games was mocking me by saying "it's too early to judge this" and declared us out of the competition. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsene Wenger
It's interesting how confident you still are in your predictions when you've been wrong about this season so far.
So far, we're challenging. That's what I expect us to do now we have the finances to do so. If we fail to challenge properly this* season then he should be sacked.
* - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/this?s=t
So true. One decade they're all Wenger-in, next decade they've done a complete 180. Flip-flop, flip-flop :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
Yes, I agree, it does appear the bear minimum is enough so far this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
Never been called a Fundamentalist before - makes me sound like I'm a terror threat!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
I would agree that I am entrenched in my opinions basically because Mr Wenger is entrenched in his. I was absolutely entrenched with a view that we should have bought another DM & striker last year. I am still entrenched with this view, even more so with injury to Coq & knowing that the next time Theo's ankle hits a particulary strong blade of grass, he'll be out for another 2 months. I am completely entrenched with the knowledge that we need to act by buying a top DM in the Jan window. Wenger knows this, as he knew he needed a top striker last year but he will be entrenched in his belief that we'll get by with what we've got to manage another top 4 finish. When Wenger can un-entrench himself from his routine of just doing enough & show us that he wants & knows how to take the title seriously, he may un-entrench me slightly but we both know there will no quality DM bought in Jan because he will feel we will do enough with Flamini & Arteta. Enough to guarantee 4th.
I don't think we'll sign anyone of note in January. While we're in the title hunt - which is where I now expect us to be - I'll back him.
If we fall away because of his inaction then I'll change my view.
But like a few years ago when we were in the hunt at Xmas - then had bad injuries to Rambo & Theo ( who were scoring most of our goals ) - he failed to act tin the Jan window, the goals dried up as did our title shout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
Here we are, same position again but with our only proper DM out until late Feb/early March - its not even a discussion. We need to buy a DM - no brainer, nothing to even think about - we have the money - just do it. In what other business would this not happen - if you were close to a major contract but needed to employ another member of staff to give you a better chance of getting it.
Where did you get this definition from? Everything you said that about being a fan is IMO wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
It's easier said than done making a major signing in the January window, I agree it would help our title chances although wouldn't rule us out if we don't sign anyway.
The buck stops with Wenger, if he's unwilling or enable to sign anyone and we fall out of the title race then he should be fired. Probably won't be, mind.
Im a genteel kind of person so I wont say he probably got that definition from his a--eQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
There is a difference from two years ago, no one expected that we would win the title.
Now for me, we can and we should win the title....City are inconsistent, United are a bit like Liverpool after Dalglish left in 1991 and Chelsea ha ha ha ha.
I agree with Wenger it's a good thing for football that Leicester are top after 16 games, but for an Arsenal fan what is good in football is if we win the league.
We've got to perform when it's necessary, no more going to teams like West Brom and giving them three points, no more capitulations to our title rivals. We've got injuries? Fuck it so have City.
Tomorrow should never come, enough building for the future that never happens....it has to be now
Sounds more like an extremist than a fan to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I would literally eat my own shit if it would prevent Mourinho becoming Arsenal manager. Horrible little cunt. I hope he fucks off out of this league permanently.
Guardiola's free at the end of the season :coffee:
Ancelotti to replace Pep at Bayern. Slim pickings for choices. It's the two Manchester clubs likely to sign him.
We'll still have Wenger.
Yay!Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory