The Ox needs to go out on loan to learn how to play football. If not, sell him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
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The Ox needs to go out on loan to learn how to play football. If not, sell him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Doesn't that mean we have a lot of pubbers at home though? Anyway those fixtures are quite spread out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernesto
City, they've been there before and can only get better, we just don't have what it takes when the pressure is on. It was in our hands tonight, City had drawn we just had to hold on, but no Wenger goes negative and we drop the points, very very costly indeed and will really have an impact on belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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Surely the computer couldn't have come up with these fixtures ...all those teams at home in the first half of the season and then away from home in the second half of the season toQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Liverpool, Stoke, Spurs, Everton, Utd, City, Utd ....lucifer is at work here. Someone hates us, anyway let's clench and hope for the best.
Man City have Chelsea, Liverpool and West Ham away too. We don't have Liverpool away anymore and we got something from it.
And they played Liverpool at home but got hammered 1-4.
Worst of all we have to play Utd away twice. Wankers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
You're reaching Zim. Man City clearly are flawed too, you can't keep seeing them falter and think they are any different to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
They've been there sure but only with the same players pulling them through that they are reliant on now.
Yes they've faltered, but they've been poor, they can only get better, the fact they've done it before will stand the in good stead, the fact we've blown it many times before and drop points like this won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
And we can't get better either once the likes of Alexis comes back? :rolleyes:
Give it a rest Zim.
Obviously crushingly disappointing to drop points at the death and it heaps more pressure for us against Stoke. Got more detailed thoughts on how we played and some of our problems but can't be asked typing it all now. Maybe tommorow.
We won't get better, how many times does this have to happen until you can predict it?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Bad result today considering our position leading and mentally a big blow and will add to the doubts in the players mind, these are the chances you need to take (well we do), this kinda result is a big blow in more ways than one.
The players would had no idea of the City result so that's a silly argument. And as for 'going negative' we've done that sort of thing loads of times this season and pretty much never dropped points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
There's pressure on every game. You selectively bring the pressure thing out when we drop points and ignore it or move the goalposts about what constitutes pressure when we win.
I agree City are the main rivals but drawing 0-0 vs Everton doesn't exactly show they're to be feared. You could just as easily make the argument that they had a chance to put us under pressure - they had the easier game tonight - and they blew it.
Many times? Twice perhaps but one of those was with a much different team. Granted Wenger is the one constant but the other teams are so flawed I don't think it's going to matter this time - not saying we'll win it but I don't think we'll fall away with barely a challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
You know that using facts is cheating :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
That goal in the end felt like a punch in the gut. I dont understand how Per starts ahead of Gabriel... he is atrocious when the ball is at his feet and I wish Wenger could see that. Walcott and Ox were absolute garbage.. Walcott has a grand total of 6 or 7 good games and then he does fuck all.
Campbell, Bellerin, Giroud and Nacho were in beast mode today. Shouldnt have taken off Campbell tbh.. rather have shifted him out to the right and had Gibbs on the left.
Oh well.. onto the next game against the cunts at Stoke.
Arsenal fan stabbed by some cunt scouser..
https://twitter.com/Simon_Rowntree/s...97496453201920
I really do honestly believe that you would prefer us to blow it than not, just to be proven right about Wenger. Your phrasing just makes that obvious. You really have let Wenger twist you up in inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I always imagine Zim punching the air when we lose or concede a late equaliser :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
The main point is that Liverpool are currently fucking dogshit & we made them look good.
We needed to be three points better off tonight than we were before kick off to keep that winning mentality going.
Drawing is a worry that could lead to the wrong mentality.
If you're going for the title, then that should be enough to keep the want to win going.
Winning mentality. I hate that phrase though, mainly because I think of Mourinho and he is a cunt.
I think we'll see whether we've got the stones for this title on Sunday. We need to respond and come out with a point to prove.
Man City lost there, a draw will do. The time will surely come where we play well and the Britannia though - it happened at Old Trafford more often than this.
I think we will challenge for the title deep into the season, especially if we get some bodies back, I think we'll drop many more points but so will all our rivals. The level in PL is pretty much at an all time low, it really is that bad and there isn't one stand out team. I geniunely think we'll be in the mix with City and Leicester, think Leicester will be up there all season....they are no flash in the pan this season, they have had too many good results for it to be.
I doubt a win over the weekend will prove anything. How many times have we said we need to respond or such and such will show we're title contenders?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Truth is we are contenders, it's possible for us to win it, we're still top of the table but there won't be a definitive game that proves we can win it. We could thrash Stoke but then lose against Chelsea and Southampton again. The Man City victory would have been an indicator to some that we can win and given people hope but it goes right down the shitter the following week when we lose to Southampton.
Man City also beat West Brom away whilst we lost there Maccy - it doesn't work like that. Draw would be fine had we won tonight but as we didn't it puts more pressure on us to get 3 points on Sunday as dropping 4 points in the space of 5 days would be terrible mental blow, regardless of the games involved. I said prior to today's game that to remain competitive, ideally we need to take 7 points out of Pool away, Stoke Away and the chavs at home. Well, we've already dropped the two points so there's zero leeway any more.
Good news is that Stoke won tonight so hopefully they'll be less "pumped" up for that match as they would have been if they were desperate for points. We're due a win there and I pray to god that Alexis is back fit and raring to go for it.
Wenger has flirted with disaster all season with his numbfuckingly stupid, negative, cowardly substitutions, his lack of preparation, his piss poor almost perfectly inappropriate tactics, though thankfully not team selection because we've had too many injuries for him to fuck that up . We've escaped several games by the skin of our teeth after somebody let him out of his straitjacket and at the laptop.
We were blown away in the early part of the game - literally no midfield. Liverpool are so poor defensively we managed to get in level after a woeful first half. Then we actually stepped up, scored a goal and were in the perfect position of being able to hit them as they chased the equaliser. Stand up Theo Walcott! WHO? But for some reason we sat off, slowed down and invited heaps of pressure. Then Monsieur Fuckup struck with his can't defend for toffee Gibbs coming on (who spent the whole time in the opposition third anyway) and he yanked Ozil, our best bet for retaining some sort of toehold in the last segment of the match. It was almost like somebody dared him to pick the tactics and subs that the opposition would have prayed for in those circumstances. If we were going defensive then WHY THE FUCK BRING OX ON? The biggest defensive liability we have.
Another chance to exert some pressure and more dropped points. This will come down to who fucks up the least. That's not going to be us btw.
Some are, as usual, overlooking it all because some other team didn't play well. Well we'd better hope that keeps happening, hadn't we? Let's rely on anyone but us and if it all falls into place we might be perched precariously at the top of the pile. It won't be from climbing though, it will be because the mountain fell away beneath us. We just need a whole second half of the season to be as weird as the first and we could triumph playing some of the most disorganised and lethargic shit I have ever seen us play, sprinkled with the odd bit of exhilaration just to rub it in.
A point at Liverpool is a good point, supposedly. Well no, not at all. Not when you are in the 90th minute leading 3-2 FFS. 3-3 under those circumstances means you lost 2 points.
On a plus. Apart from the most incredible miss, Bif's goal was excellent. Campbell put in a great shift, although his play drifted between superb and average. Monreal seems to be going from strength to strength.
The Walnut though. Fuck me, somebody start contract negotiations will you? We need at least 90 minutes out of the guy between now and May.
Agree regarding the 7 points, going to be very very hard though, I'm hoping Alexis is back for Sunday, we really need him now, think between him and Ozil we could get a result up there, otherwise I kind of fear for us. Chelsea home i'm less worried about, Sanchez will definitely be back for that so i think we'll win that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
And they drew against Villa away which is a real stinker of a result but we won. The point is, just pointing to tough games lazily as though any other team won't have them really annoys me.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
It doesn't put more or less pressure on us, you're in a title race, the pressure is there every game.
Your talking about needing to take seven points from those three games presumably is predicated, for some reason on Man City winning all three of theirs, which they haven't.
The truth is, how do we know what a big mental blow is? The moments of decline for any team usually happen gradually so it's hard to pinpoint where the markers really are. It is also completely different for the fans and players. Tonight could be taken as that but then again there is a lot to be said about coming back twice and then taking the lead - I'd wager we would've just folded completely a couple of years ago, as we did against Southampton a few weeks back. Then we go to Stoke. On the surface a draw might seem like a 'mental blow' but it depends how it plays out. We grab a late equaliser could put a whole different spin on things from the players point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
It's all guessing games from our perspective. What we can see however is that our team have the ability and more importantly the fight in them, which isnt a bad combination to keep us in this until the very end.
Yep. Every game is a pressure game when you're at the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Quite needlessly let 2 points slip...but at least we haven't been overhauled. Yet...
Very annoying and Wenger was suprisingly okayish...about it.
Its frustrating that we keep referencing how poor the other teams are this season to justify when we drop points. The title is there for the taking this season, and we're blowing the chance to build up a good lead because if its neck and neck with a few games to go I don't have much faith. 3 points needed at Stoke.
Still feels like a loss this morning.
I don't even know what we were trying to achieve with those substitutions. Were we trying to defend that lead? If so, why bring on Ox. The guy is a possession turnover machine with only one setting - the wrong one.
That loss of two points - because that is clearly what it is, could prove to be that moment where we blew it.
Very disappointing to drop points right at the death, esp when you look at the chances we effed up when clean through. The title is anyone's this season and everyone keeps dropping points but i just dont think we wil win it mainly because our defending (not defenders as i think we have very good defenders) is poor. We have already conceded 21 goals this season.
Luckily for us the corrupt cheating officials ensured City couldn't gain on us last night.
Thought it was a good game and overall a draw probably fair result considering. Although when I saw the Liverpool line up how they scored 3 is remarkable.
However as each game goes by I am more convinced we will win it this season. I really don't think City have the team ethic and with a change of manager hanging over them plus a favourable draw in the CL, these things will get in the way of going on one of those 10 wins in the row runs.
Leicester is the interesting one, 20 games in and we are joint top with them. People say they will fall down at some point but they got a very good result last night and who knows. I do think the extra depth in our squad will eventually count but if they finish 2nd I wouldn't be grudge them that.
Agreed, exact same feeling like last season when Skrtel scored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
Apparently El Neny will play against Stoke. Probably come off the bench though
The subs were silly. No idea what Wenger is thinking. In games where it's a comfortable lead and the other team hasn't a chance he wouldn't make those subs. But in a major game where we'vs already conceded 2 he takes off our best players and shifts the momentum in their favour. It's funny because the commentator I was listening to thought Liverpool had lost their attacking threat when Benteke came on and were more predictable. He was right. But we somehow managed to make things work in their favour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
I was thinking when we were leading yesterday that had we won it would have massively increased belief (I certainly would have been more convinced about our chances), we would have opened a nice gap over Man City and actually won one of those harder games that can really give a team belief (just like the vistories against Man U in the past).
As far as I'm concerned all this will do is put doubts in the players minds, just as a victory would have done the opposite, leading 3-2 until the end and dropping points will feel like a loss the substitutions during the match by Wenger were shockers, I wasn't surprised to see us concede, we've got a history of doing this and yet he brings off our best players who could help finish the match off or at least keep the pressure on Liverpool.
Big games like this at this stage of the season make all the difference in terms of belief IMO, as has been proved in the past.
Yeah terrible management IMO, some of his decisions are baffling, he cost us the game IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I really don't think it was down to the subs that we lost. We had been struggling to clear the ball and keep hold of it for the previous twenty minutes and had gone the entire game without a central midfield. God knows where Flamini was for most of it. Campbell was absolutely shot and Walcott had been useless for the whole game so I get those subs. Arteta coming on for Ozil was a last roll to try and get some ball retention back. Ozil had effectively been out of the game for the previous 15. The momentum had mostly been with Liverpool throughout the game - as seen in their posseession and amount of shots on our goal and as the home side I expected them to be pushing as they did for the last quarter. If we actually had a midfield pair then I'm sure we wouldn't have been put under so much pressure last night. I don't think the subs had a things to do with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw