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Originally Posted by Özim
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I know someone like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Yeah, this place could do with more WUMs. :sarcy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Probably do, there's not as many as there use to be though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Come on now, you really should apologise for him constantly WUMing and driving people away from the site you worked so hard to build.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
From what I've seen he's still on another popular forum and hasn't been banned from there, a forum people use to say wouldn't tolerate certain peoples' views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Then I guess he doesn't post there like he used to here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
That's not what I find ridiculous, it's your daft assertion that the club would have been better off if he'd never become manager in the first place and that it will be worse off once he leaves than when he took on the job in 1996.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
The post count on here is not even close to what it used to be. I don't think Zim has posted much since late September and we've had some shockers since from October up until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It's across GW. One of the mods should have a word with you the discouraging discussion. It's counter productive. Heck, even the mods have stopped posting on here.
Driving people away from the site? :lol: Have you seen this place? What you guys are doing now is just as bad. We've totally gone off topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
What gets me about this place is the attempt to police things that are said, not even the Wenger discussion as that's completely anodyne anyway
And to be fair on Letters this tends to be more Macca than him, the need to delete things that might be seen as a little edgy
We are all adults on this site and we all know the difference between hyperbole and genuine sentiment.
What forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
People hail the man as somekind of magician, guess what a magician doesn't go most of his career at one club consistently failing to succeed, name me 1 other manager who after a period of great success has failed to reproduce for so long and still remained in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I'm pretty sure that once he leaves we're likely to go through a slump (I'll take it though) simply because this club is basically Arsene Wenger FC, it shouldn't be but it is, so when he leaves it will be hard for anyone to take over, his personality and flaws are so ingrained in this club it will take a good few years to get rid of that.
Man U went through it, but they had a far superior manager, with a will to succeed, so at least they had years of success before it happened, we on the other hand have had years of frustration and disappointment, some of us have even come to accept failure and turned it on its head as if it's actually success.
Goonersworld.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
The bastards. He goes down as the RVP of GW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I refer you to what happened to the Big Four forum of which had former GW alumni. And their forum was smaller even than this..Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Also I don't have much of a problem with any of the signings we made this summer. I can't think of any players that went in the summer I am even jealous of really. Maybe Mane.
I know for a fact that people left because of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
The post count isn't anywhere near enough to make this a good site, we definitely need new people. My feeling is that we're not going to suddenly see a resurgence I don't think we've done anything wrong though, the whole concept of messageboards is less popular than it used to be, people have moved on to chatting about things on FB and in other ways. I couldn't work out if you were accusing me of discouraging discussion, I don't see how I've ever done that.
You are pettifogging, the issue is not whether he's the second coming or something like that....the issue is whether the club has improved and grown bigger as a result of him being the manager than the position it was in in 1996. No-one is stating that he hasn't massively outstayed his welcome or that he hasn't come close to emulating what he did in the first half of his arsenal managerial career, but we are an incredibly well run club and Wenger is part of that even as a football manager he is massively lacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I'd like him to move on to give a younger, more ambitious and more innovative man a chance to move the team forward, but there is absolutely no question that this club is a very attractive prospect for any manager and Wenger takes responsibility for that as much as he takes responsibility for our inability to challenge for major honours.
Things are hardly ever deleted on here. IMO we've always moderated with a very light touch on here, arguably too light. Back in the day it was very hard to get banned from this place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
:lol: Wow, yeah - I'd forgotten about that!Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I am just stating the things on here that personally aggravate me. It's your forum you can do what you like, my suggestion is don't try and pre-empt people getting offended.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I'm judging what gets you shafted by The Sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I have had a handful of posts deleted in the last few months, because of off colour remarks and humourQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
None of which in my view were justified, i don't think anyone on here is what i'd call thin skinned.
It wasn't as good as Ollie's film forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Stop all moderation and let the lunatics run the asylum I say.
Clough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
And he ended up taking Forest down.
Maybe the club is an attracitve proposition, but let me remind you we were heavily linked with managers like Bobby Robson and Cruyff top managers back in the day before Wenger even joined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I don't think we've ever struggled to attract managers, I won't argue the club is bigger and run better, but I don't attribute that to Wenger alone, this could and probably would have happened even without him here, just as it has at other clubs, I personally think Wenger gets too much credit for that, he's done well out of it, very well and with little or no risk to himself, so his efforts weren't selfless.
They've all escaped. The wardens are just having a kickabout by themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
You're spot on and you can see what happened with Forest, a manager being in charge too long loses his edge but still believes his way is the right way to the detriment of the club. That's very rare, but it has happened and we're seeing it again this time at Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I did delete a post recently, was that you? It was about the plane crash which killed that football team, I just thought it was a bit soon and tasteless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
And, for balance, I should say I made a joke in the Olympics which was a bit off colour - someone said something about it so I deleted my own post.
I don't think this place should be a free-for-all but I personally think we let a lot go. And as Maccy says, there are occasions where stuff posted online gets people in trouble - the incident he mentioned I believe the police got involved and stuff can end up in the press. This is a very low profile site so I accept that's unlikely but there should still be a line.
There is scum out there that wouldn't think twice about zapping the DNS of a little site like this, just because they can. You have to be very careful what you say these days, in this free country. I sympathise to a degree with anyone trying to run a forum for open debate. No such thing in this country, except in dark corners like times we thought were in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
That said, I'll never play along with limited speech. Speech goes with choice. I can't get a megaphone and shout into a letterbox because that's abusive, disturbing the peace and invading privacy. But I should be able to post whatever the fuck I want on a forum that people have a choice to view or not.
That's a good word. I'm going to use that today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Yes, but all Wenger's done is taken us from 1st to 4th. We've got a great stadium, a huge global fanbase, a great squad, money in the bank. We are very well placed for a new manager coming in. We do need to move on from Wenger, I hoped the new players he was buying could push us on, it does seem that Wenger is the limiting factor. But credit where it's due for what he's achieved, where he's taken us and the state he's leaving us in wouldn't kill you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
The line is that which can get you in trouble with the policeQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I don't think anything I said came even close to approaching that line, and most of the people here are old lags I don't think there is a single individual here who would left to their own devices end up saying things that end up with this place under the legal microscope.
The last remark of mine that got deleted was making fun of Islam, now making fun of any religion is something I take not only as a right but a responsibility especially with daft laws against Religious intolerance. It also needs to be made clear that there is a clear distinction between mocking a religion and mocking or being abusive to individual believers.
For instance I don't take any of our back and forth in regards to Christianity as abusive and I don't think you do either.
It is a good wordQuote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Because the families of that football team tune in here regularly. That kind of censorship is pure shit. YOUR judgement of taste imposed as a rule. It's not for you to decide and it never will be. But you have the tools to simulate having the right I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
All told though, I agree that most stuff is let go. The few posters on here know each other well enough, they know what's real and what's a lark.
Where's Kano btw? Another one missing in action.
Can I have my Niall_Quinn name back now? The Cripps thing is a bit dull and only snagged a few fish. Somehow people have figured out it's really me.
We do have that, but as mentioned before I don't attribute all of that to Wenger alone, he seems to get all the credit when in fact he didn't really risk anything himself to achieve much of this, he's played his part but so have many others who never get any credit and who probably put far more on the line than him, he was and always has been a handsomely paid employee, what did he have to lose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yes we're a bigger club with more money, I don't personally believe we're all setup for a new manager however, this club is too much about one man and this will mean when things change we'll go through a transitional period where we'll probably end up lower than we are through no fault of the next manager, coming into a club where someone has been in charge for 20 years is very hard, there's a lot to change including mentality which doesn't happen overnight.
How on earth did they manage to deduce thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Well, either this place is moderated or it isn't. If it is then it is for me, and the other mods, to decide. You might disagree with me and that's fine, but unless it's a completely unmoderated forum someone has to do it. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I don't have to know people personally or worry about their relatives reading comments in order to think things offensive. As I said in the Olympics I made a joke which a couple of people thought was over the line - those people didn't know anyone I mentioned personally either but fine, I took their comments on board and deleted the post. Democracy doesn't work as we found out last year so this place is a benevolent dictatorship which I think we can all agree is the best form of government.
Changed your name back.
My response to either we have mods or we don't
Is there need for mods
No one here is going to earnestly call for violence to be done to another user, no one will publish personal details of another user, and no one will use this as their alternative to deep web activities.
Someone that hasn't posted in a while engages with a new thread and you start wumming straight away because of some personal beef or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters