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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He needs to go but I don't agree with your assertion in a post I can't be bothered to try and find now that anyone would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
My fear was always that we would end up worse off in a post Brexit, post Wenger world. Right now I've got to the point where I don't care any more, it's increasingly clear that we're not going to win the biggest trophies under Wenger and while IMO he earned the right to try to push us on when the new financial deals were in place he's clearly not able to take us any further.
But I don't buy the logic that just because Wenger can't do the job that means it doesn't matter who else comes in because they might be able to and at least that's potentially better.
Most managers definitely couldn't push us on so we still need to consider the next appointment carefully. The trouble is for the board Wenger IS the perfect manager, there is no reason for them to want to rock the boat.
That Analysis can only go so far, the self-sustainability of the club whilst not as totally dependent on gate receipts as it was would make a dent in the club's profits and affect sponsorship if Wenger stays. They have offered him a deal, in the same way Pontius Pilate washed his hands....they don't want to take responsibility to sack Wenger and they'd definitely 100% want him to stay but if Wenger signs on all the pressure and responsibility goes to him.
As much as Wenger should go because he can't hack it any more, i think the idea that the board are unflappably loyal to him is wide of the mark....he's a good lightning rod for them.
I'm not sure loyal is the word but what he's doing is perfectly aligned with that they want out of the club.
It is, but more than that they know that ultimately he takes the flacks if the fans expectations are not metQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
However they are being very short termist, I simply cannot see how Wenger staying won't cause a downturn in season ticket sales and matchday attendance in general.
Hope we finish outside the top 4. I take no joy playing a bit part role every CL season. My gut says that finishing outside the top 4 would mean Wenger doesnt sign a contract extension.. just because of that, I hope we finish as far away from the top 4 as possible.
I think he only signs a contract if we win the fa cup
How does that work? We've already done, Sign a super-star and win the FA Cup, but we still woke up to the latest run of groundhog day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Enrique has just announced he is stepping down as Barca coach at the end of season. Beautiful. A man who knows he has fallen below the expectations of fans and club so is honorably stepping aside. Good news for Wenger, the perfect vacancy now exists. Just do it man!
Does that ever happen in the real world? Something so fortuitous? We get a new manager and Barca get Wenger? Never happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Was just about to post something similar!Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
accoridng to French journos, he'll sign a two year deal and "doesnt want to ever leave".
From the Telepgraph:
Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke remains desperate for Wenger to stay and his two-year contract extension offer includes a 25 per cent increase from £8m-a-year to around £10m-a-year.
That will infuriate fans who believe Wenger should go after perceived failures in the Premier League title race and the Champions League, but the 67-year-old has already proved that his final decision will not be based on money.
Precisely why I don't want us to win the FA cupQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
This isn't newsQuote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
No fear. we wont. Wenger has never met a top 4 rival in a cup competition and won since in about a decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Another contract and another pay rise for delivering the rubbish he does, what is there left to say, sums up the culture at Arsenal, if you're average your guaranteed new contracts and payrises. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
You gotta love the audacity of this club, the more discontent there is amongst the fans the more they rub it in their face, there is literally no other club where fans opinions matter so little, it's so apparently clear that noone at the club gives a toss what the fans think.
United two years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Five years ago we played Liverpool at Anfield on Saturday 3rd March on a lunchtime prior to a midweek champions league game at home where we had to overturn a 4 goal deficit
On Saturday 4th March we play Liverpool at Anfield on a lunchtime kick off prior to a midweek champions league game at home where we need to overturn a 4 goal deficit
Close but the Liverpool game is a 17:30 kick off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Well bugger me with a broom handle you're right. For some reason thought it was a lunchtime thing
And just so we are clear, that was a figure of speech not an invitation
Klopp and Liverpool are in a similar sort of hole right now. What they need is a leg-up, a helping hand, something to restore their confidence and get their season back on track.
But what?
Arsene quickly out to remind us he prefers Arsenal to a job where he'd have to win something. Stan out to remind us he'll pay whatever it takes to keep that Wenger bloke in charge at that soccer fund over there in Great England.
Can you have too much stability? If Kroenke had owned White Star and Wenger was the captain of the Titanic it never would have sank. Everybody would still be alive today. The ship would be pristine because it would never have left port - ever. Way too risky taking something like that out onto the ocean. Cheaper on fuel too.
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It's a real head scratcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Gold! :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You don't get a more charitable team than us. We're nice like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wenger is in no hole really because he's under little to no pressure. Our spineless board are begging him to stay with the incentive of a 25% pay rise. Wenger is in a unique position in that he's one of the only managers out there in World Football who isn't judged on team performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Im not falling for him with this delaying of decision waiting to see where the team finish. He will extend regardless of what happens, we have been here before with him.
Morever our collapse in the title race last season was a complete disgrace, any manager of any other TOP team would have been fired for what happened at Arsenal last season.
Wenger is under no pressure really....he's not in a hole either as he pretty much dictates what he perceives is an acceptable season.
Of course he is, it's just that the board's definition of acceptable team performance is different from the fans as they have different perspectives.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
The fans are the stupid passengers. Turning up each year, paying the exorbitant ticket price, sitting there waiting for something to happen, eventually buggering off with Captain Wenger waving, "See you next year!"Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
You sound like a very ungrateful person.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Agreed. It's the fans' fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Poor analogy. Of course we'd be sailing, we just wouldn't be going at full pelt trying to get there as soon as possible to wow the press.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
And we wouldn't have lost the binoculars which would have helped us avoid icebergs. :sulk:
Yep. That's what I said :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We'd be hitting every iceberg in the North Atlantic, sometimes twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
He's in a unique position Letters...he wouldn't have lasted the distance anywhere else. He would have been shown the door at all of our rivals for last season which even by his low standards was an abomination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
He should have walked after last season out of principle...yet we are here discussing whether he feels like extending his contract or not...it's absolutely crazy.
We'd probably hit the same few over and over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Well I agree with that but it's just not true to say he's under no pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
If we'd slipped in to mid table (as many on here predicted we would) then I think he'd have been long gone.
He's meeting his bosses expectations, just not the fans expectations but while we keep qualifying for the CL and the fans keep buying the tickets and the shirts there's no reason the board would want to change anything.