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There are people, myself included, who are calling for his head and no longer care how he goes, that were previously amongst his most passionate supporters here.
He was to go.
Sadly I suspect that when he does go, we're going to be facing some unpleasant truths about this Club that many don't want to face up to.
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Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Such as?....to be fair on people here i don't think there are any unpleasant truths that we seem to be avoiding facing up toQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
There are some here that think Wenger going will be a cure to our ills.
Wenger going will simply be a start in what is shaping up to be a potentially long period of attrition with the owner.
Kroenke is dirt in the world of sport.
It's hard to know what will happen in truth, the likelihood is that Kroenke will give Gazidis licence to run the show after Wenger goes....how that will work out...who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
Rumours on other websites that the pro Wenger plane and banner were paid for by a company owned by the Keswick family. Conniving bastards.
:lol: yeah i heard that one....ha ha ha that's pretty desperate if that's the caseQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
The club has sunk and vanished forever into an abyss of embarrassment if that's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yep I totally agree with this.
This whole circus is now all about Arsene and not about Arsenal Football club. Arsene said that he loves the football club, if he does why is he turning this into such a ridiculous saga, it's embarassing...
A few papers (namely Telegraph, Mirror (Cross) and Mail) saying he wants to stay. :popcorn:
FUCKKKK!!!
FUCKING HELL!!!!!!!!!
PUT HIM DOWN!
Yep, sounds like a 1 year contract sold as a handover while they find a replacement. Most of the journos sound like they are willing to sell that. Suppose the idea is to calm the fans down, get the Wenger Out lot thinking one more year and then change, give the Wenger In lot some ammo to demand a "smooth handover" period for "the good of the club". It's a smart delaying tactic. Also gives the appearance of the board being in charge. Mostly bullshit of course. What this really does is forgive Wenger if he doesn't hit a single target this year, which is looking increasingly likely. It'll mean we'll lose Ozil and Alexis and probably Bellerin (although the way he's been playing maybe that's not much of a loss). Suspect Ox and Perez will go too. And it covers up for the fact this board has no post-Wenger plan. Shameful and shocking on their part btw. What is it these guys actually do?
There was one journo on Sunday Supplement who saw through this. Can't remember his name, but if you catch the show it's obvious. One more year for Wenger to try to turn it around (which he is incapable of doing), it does look like we won't get what we want this year but probably will next. A lot of damage will have been done by then of course. But this will be sold as Wenger's farewell season so fans will have to think carefully if they want to deny him that. Me personally, I find the whole think to be a huge steaming turd, a small group of old greedy men putting themselves ahead of the club and its fans, but what's new about that? If the request is to give Wenger one more year (provided it really is just one more year) and allow him to bow out gracefully rather than be hounded out then I can just about stomach it and play along. I don't think even this lot could get away with selling the farewell tour directly followed by the reunion tour. All hell would break loose.
So looks like Wenger out - but not quite just yet. One more year of pain. Another years sliding down the pecking order. Possibly some serious long term damage inflictedin the process. But change in 2018.
And then 2018 he decides to say...Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg_teqyLNOs
No way. You can't do goodbye and then hello unless you have won a title or a CL. And if that happens then the guy will have done a complete 180 which is what everyone wanted him to do anyway. Nobody wanted him out, they wanted him to stop being such a stubborn old git and up his game. But that won't happen so we won't be winning titles and he'll be gone, with a bit of dignity (provided we don't get relegated) in 2018. On balance I think it's for the best. I hate the fact he'll get paid a fortune for achieving another fuck all season and we'll be held back for another year, but in the end he is our greatest ever manager and I don't begrudge him a final bow.
I hate to say it, fucking hate to say it And I know I'm being manipulated and I know this board is one big bag of shit and they haven't made this decision based on planning but rather in being caught with their pants down - but this decision is just about right. A compromise that works.
Won't stop me screaming in frustration all through next season though.
Anyway, now that's done and dusted...
KROENKE OUT! No thanks whatsoever for the memories - GET THE FUCK OUT!
Seems I missed the party..... Oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
HCZ, just like you, and probably 99.9℅ of "honest" hard-working Arsenal folk, I wouldn't want a billionaire owner talkless of Usmanov in a perfect world. However the latter has never existed.
Now you must accept that the reason we gooners turn up our nose on money is our history- a history filled with custodians who have been powerful people of privilege and wealth , who highjacked a club formed by munition workers and turned it into the successful and now self sustaining global Brand we are (or were).
Ask any historian why Real Madrid is Real Madrid and they will mention a certain General Franco- you could play this name game for most of European footballing elite and you would be horrified by some of the names that come out the hat.
The point is football has always had its distasteful powerful characters , or should I say Usmanovs; and some seem to love the game just as much as me and you. Why do I say that? How does a typical fan react when he watches his team doing badly? I believe the natural instinct is to want to influence things. Me and you would shout "come on Arsenal" or scream obscenities at the ref and opposing players. On instinct, irrational. Now what does an Abramovich do, he decides he needs to spend 100s of more millions of his own personal fortune and probably sacks the most successful manager he has ever had who just won the league. On instinct, irrational.
Now ask yourself this question, if you had a couple of billions and owned the club, wouldn't you have relieved AW after the Bayern game and splurged your children's inheritance on your dear Arsenal?
The point is being a fan and strict morality are 2 things that don't go hand in hand seeing as a fan will always want to influence things for his club's betterment.
That's why I know Kronke is the worst thing to happen to this club; he's not even aware the roof is on fire, he's still twiddling his thumbs trying to make the best conservative business decision to protect his investment.
Unfortunately just like I've wanted another manager for like a decade now, it's clear I need to ask Santa for a new owner too.
Wenger needs to put us unwashed serfs out of our misery by issuing his almighty decree on his plans for our club's future.
Are you sure we're worthy? Certain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
Why would they need another year to plan a succession. They've had 3 years to do that. What a load of toss.
There is no succession plan, they want Wenger to stay for as long as he wants. Wenger himself is probably desperate to stay too because it's best for him on a personal level.
I just hope the fans continue to make the situation as untenable as possible, make him consider whether it's all worth it.
If Wenger loves Arsenal as much as he says he does he would go now. If he stays with current levels of confidence and commitment , I can foresee Arsenal fighting a relegation battle next season
However long his contract is, I hope it's made uncomfortable for everyone involved with him signing this extension. Fuck em all. He doesn't deserve a comfortable send off.
It should be pretty obvious to anyone that Wenger will stay till the bitter end. He has nothing else apart from Arsenal. Ceaucescu. Gaddafi come to mind
It would be pretty ironic if he stayed after missing out on the top 4. Possibly goes to show that he was never under enough pressure to even finish 4th. He's a law unto himself.
Yeah I know there isn't a plan, I just don't think we should be accepting this as a reason for him signing on. Crazy situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I was fine with a year out of Europe, but only providing a new manager came in. With Wenger still at the helm I would really worry about what further damage he could do.
I'm not sure it does show that, a one off outside the top 4 probably wouldn't have been terminal, a prolonged period outside it would have been IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Don't be daftQuote:
Originally Posted by rodders
It does sound daft but Chelsea were getting dragged in last year. If we lose some key players (as we surely will) and the squad have lost faith in Wenger (seems that way) then it's not inconceivable till Wenger is replaced.
The top six financially are essentially relegation proof even if that narcassistic Mourinho had stayed the club would have been no where near the drop.
After 16 games last year they had 15 points, 1 point above the relegation zone.
I think when push comes to shove they'd have got it together under Mourinho but they were flirting with a relegation last December.
Doesn't count as a relegation battle when a club knows it can put together a number of wins on the spin whenever
Relegation battles are for clubs that honestly don't know when the next win is coming from
You're not wrong. One season where we were close to dropping out of the Top 4, Ivan came out and said we've planned for such a situation and we'd be fine without CL football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I always knew Wenger had built up enough credit with the Board to drop out of the CL position. You can hear the whole 'ungrateful fans' narrative being pushed from Board to manager.
Tim Payton is getting on my nerves, if you're wrong just admit you're wrong don't double down.
What's he said now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
He's one of the reasons why there has been no pressure put on the owners and the club until now. He has had ample opportunity to ask the difficult questions of the board, and has ducked out over and over.
Gutless.
Fair point. I don't think we'd be in a relegation battle so basically agree but if they're not playing for Wenger or each other then things are going to go seriously downhill, it's starting already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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He's still claiming Wenger is gone in the summer and the decision was made ages ago
Where is this information about him staying coming from? Why isn't this being considered as the regular media bullshit?
It's should all be considered as bullshit until an announcement is made.
The board know the fans aren't happy, which is why they wheeled Mr Chips out. They know we want change. If he signs a new deal now, next season could be even worse.
This is the worst it's been in 20 years.
This is what we're working with...
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