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Why don't you value brains, or knowing where to stand, how to track your man, or how to defend, or how to cross a ball, or how to be an actual goal threat.....because those are all things he displays more consistently than any other individual in our back line.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
I'd say those are staple qualities necessary in any game.
Trevor Francis, Gary Lineker, Chris Waddle, Steve McManaman Michael Owen, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Wayne Rooney, Wayne Rooney, Youngie, Wayne Rooney, Harry Kane, Deli Alli and Wayne Rooney. A diver for every era and the British mentality was suspended to ignore or forgive most of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Wengerbot will stick with the same team that beat Everton and he'll approach the game in exactly the same way and make no allowances for the spuds whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Unless he's going to change everything about himself as a football manager by the weekend.
What was Your team NQ...humour me?
Cech (now Butterball because of injury to Cech)
Bellend - Kos - Monreal - Kolabottle
Mkhitnazi - Rambo - Wheelchair - Sicknote
Lucazade - Aubergine
4-4-2 all the way with Rambo and Jack under strict instructions not to be dickheads and with Miki and Ozil reminded they need to help out a bit with some of the crappy stuff.
Laca would be a great link man for Auba I think. The former is technical and good in compressed spaces, although Wenger might have totally killed his confidence by now I suppose. But nothing like a good performance and a win against the spuds to get it back.
Swap Ramsey and Monreal for Elneny and Mustafi and that would be my teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
That’s hypocrisy rather than cultural, we abhor Diving apart from when we think it benefits us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If Aubemeyang dives to get a penalty to win the game at Spurs on Saturday in injury time I’m not going to lie and pretend I give a shit. If Delle Ali or Harry Kane pull that shit I will be livid.
South Americans generally don’t have a problem with it full stop.
Mustafi must be kept a thousand miles away from the pitch. He'll be easy pickings for Alli and Kane, with all his diving in and last ditch stuff. They'll take maximum advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
And Elneny is slow, shit, fat and gay - really gone off him and would prefer we get rid. Ramsey is coming off the back of a hat-trick. Plus he's got more experience dealing with spuds.
I think you would need to tie a piece of rope between the pair of them given Ramsey's instincts and the fact he's suddenly high on goals again with the latest hat trick........and even then Ramsey would drag Wilshere out of position and expose them both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
My worry is that if you play a 2 man midfield against Spurs' 3 with Dembele in there, then they will simply boss the game in midfield like they did for spells against Man United.
If they boss the game in midfield then they will continually supply Kane.....and to my mind even better than his actual finishing, Kane's greatest attribute is the frequency of opportunities he gets for himself, a little like Andy Cole at United used to.
I can't remember which podcast I heard it on....but they were suggesting that the latest stats show it is frequency of chances a team should focus on rather than the actual quality of them. Oh it was the Arsenal vision podcast and unsurprisingly they were talking about Cavani, who is an interesting subject matter regarding quality of finishing and frequency of chances.
I think the frequency of chances point is why I’ve been disappointed with Lacazette. He’s been a peripheral figure here, never seems to be in the right place at the right time.
I’m more of the school of playing better players. Mustafi is a good defender and absolutely nullified Kane and Ali at the Emirates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You can’t legislate for a player that is slow and can be turned too easily, exposing Monreal to a pacey attack when you have only Ospina in goal is suicide.
I don’t rate Elneny not one bit, but Ramsey?. Spurs’ game is built on pressing players on the ball, what’s the one thing Ramsey gets exposed for the absolute joke of a footballer he is....being pressed on the ball.
A few big hitters in the spurs team tonight. Great :good:
Are you still certain Aurier will play sherbert?
Ramsey will fight, at least. Elneny will just look to play it backwards at the first sign of pressure. Wenger has destroyed him. He looked promising enough when he arrived but he's taken up Wenger's bullshit system far to eagerly and become a non-entity as a result. Ramsey can run for the 90 minutes too, and we'll need that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
I think Elneny's game was always quite cautious tbf.
He is also less likely to give the ball away than any other midfielder we probably have.
Wanyama and Alderweireld are playing tonight, are you stating neither will play Saturday?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Fight? No he will mess himself or give away posesssion sloppily in a stupid position as soon as any pressure is applied. We don’t need him running, it doesn’t contribute to anything it’s just the movements of a headless chicken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I understand your criticism of Elneny, but if he does as he’s told just breaks up play and protects the defence that’s all we need from him. That is too much to ask of Ramsey.
Sherbert :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
On behalf of everybody-sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I don't care frankly. I'm asking you about 1 player In particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
The Mirror say Petr Cech is optimistic that he will win his race to be fit for the North London derby. #Arsenal https://t.co/sTn4EcdsEz
FFS
Well your premise is based on if Aurier plays today he won’t play at the weekendQuote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Wanyama and Alderweireld played tonight and I’m fairly sure they will be in the starting XI Saturday lunchtime
But as I say Monreal is slow and immobile, so whether Aurier plays or not he’s a weak link who will get exposed for pace.
Anthony Taylor the referee
Fuck it all
His positioning goes out the window when playing anyone with pace, if your plan is to play Mhkytarian as a wing back that leaves Monreal responsible for stopping a cross from the right coming into the box, again not a strong suit of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Wenger on Poch's comments about tricking the opponent, says it used to be foreign players who were known for diving, "but I must say the English players learn very quickly and they may be the masters now."
Wenger :bow:
Monreal does get caught out sometimes but you could same the same for any of our centre halves.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Who are the alternatives - Holding? Chambers? Elneny?
I don't think Wanyama will play Saturday but Alderweireld has a 50/50 chance (Pochettino will be keen as he is their best defender arguably) as does Aurier in my personal view.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
What you think you are omitting in deficiencies of Monreal you are simply replacing with the plethora of deficiencies in our other defenders.
Being exposed for pace in itself is often a consequence of poor positioning and positioning is something Monreal does better than anyone else in our backline .
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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
I disagree. I think Monreal got torn to shreds by Man City in November and he will be under all kinds of pressure again by the spurs attack, when we were pressed on the ball even by Swansea our casual midfield didn’t help our defence at all and once again Monreal was all over the shop.
Again we are discussing not just preferable team but preferable formation I think we should play four at the back so playing two centre backs in the traditional position makes sense and playing something both stronger and quicker than Monreal at full back (Kolasinac)
So my team would be
Cech (if fit)
Bellerin
Mustafi
Koscielny
Kolasinac
Elneny
Wilshere
Ozil
Mhkytarian
Aubemeyang
Lacazette
Pochettino won't have missed the fact we've signed an Olympic athlete and with his rep for attention to detail he will know the more they push forward the more exposed they will be at the back and that might even play into our hands.
I can't even remember what Monreal was like against City....but that is 1 game against possibly the best side the prem has seen a few months ago. Anybody else you've named in your back 4 is just as likely and in most cases more likely to cost us the game with a mistake than Monreal.
We've given up more goals through errant passes, poor positioning, awareness and sheer lethargy than lack of pace from any individual so I think you are placing too much consideration on that anyway.
I also think with that team and formation we are going to get outnumbered in midfield and allow Spurs to control the game. If they control the game they will feed Kane multiple times. If they feed Kane through multiple times he will definitely score. If we were a highly disciplined, drilled counter attacking team like Leicester were when they won the title I'd name a very similar team and formation to the one you have but not in our actual circumstances now.
my midfielder Vs your midfielder
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:haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
The team you’d pick is even less defensively disciplined than mine
Putting Mkytarian at wing back....he’s a purely creative player. He won’t want to track back
Plus why should I trust your judgement on defensive positioning when you can’t remember a game from three months ago. Sterling is no more technically accomplished than anyone in the Spurs lineup and Monreal had a nightmare against him, whether we think Sterling dived for the penalty or not (I think Monreal was clumsy and played into Sterling’s hands to go over easy) he was given a torrid time.
The counter attack won’t work against Spurs. Because we have no one who can hold the ball up. So we have to do what we did at the Emirates and press them on the ball but that requires speed and agility in defensive areas to mop up if we lose possession in the first place
We really need Wilshere in midfield to ease the pressure and bypass their press. Otherwise, it will be a case of waves of attacks, with many of them coming because Xhaka/Ramsey/Ozil keep giving the ball away.
It feels like WUMger has just reverted to his laptop's preferred midfield though and Wilshere will be on the bench until Ramsey is out again or Xhaka gets himself suspended with a two-footer.
It would be good to see Lacazette and Aubameyang together, but Xhaka-Wilshere sitting deep, with Ozil-Ramsey-Mkhitaryan in front of them isn't too bad as long as Ramsey makes his usual runs and Mkhitaryan can get forward enough to support the striker too.
I have no idea what either blink or sherbert are arguing as I haven't read one word of their debate but with sherbert's track record I agree with what blink's saying.
Also
Arsene Wenger casually firing shots at English players... �� https://t.co/evlcA9TWV3
:haha: that smile at the end :haha:
Also you can’t read and when you write anything it’s being typed out for you by your mum like that 13 year old autistic child in “the reason I jump”Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumbledore
Thanks for proving my point :haha:
You don't have to trust my judgement.....I don't work for the club and you aren't Arsene Wenger. It's just my view. You expect me to remember the errors of a player in a game months ago (through the prism of your own interpretation of events)?.... the fact you're going that far back to highlight your point when we have been consistently inconsistent along with the fact you're desperate not to play the most consistent player this season should raise eyebrows about your judgement on the defence, not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Bellerin has also given away a silly pen as well as others this season.....they practically take it in turns so I don't even want to get started on individual errors. Excuse me if I don't want our most consistent player out of the side for it. He's been far more to do with what has been good than bad.....I wonder if you watch games at all if you can't see that.
Man City was the last top six side we played away from home in the league, like spurs they like to press you on the ball and then come at you with pace.
Now Monreal might well have been our most consistent performer against the average wank that makes up most of the premier league, but when he’s been exposed for his lack of pace by strong attacking teams again and again and again in the five years he’s been here. I don’t really understand what it takes for someone to think, maybe we don’t want slow and immobile there for such games.
Aurier is a liability, hope he plays.
Aurier is just one example, and I use him because of how he tore Monreal to shreds when we played PSG
It was embarrassing to watch