Not as embarrassing as Arsenal “fans” who seem actively annoyed when we get good results and all but punch the air when we get bad ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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Not as embarrassing as Arsenal “fans” who seem actively annoyed when we get good results and all but punch the air when we get bad ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Well don’t then.Quote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
They're all being rolled out, one at a time, to deliver Wenger's bullshit. He's always thought that. Whoever drinks his Kool-Aid is a true fan, anyone who calls him out for the incompetent bullshit artist he is or refuses to get robbed by him repeatedly is not a genuine fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
The real cunt who's not in any way an Arsenal fan is Wenger. If he was a genuine fan of the club he'd never have signed that contract. Selfish cunt. And I'm not falling for his garbage PR stunts any more.
Wenger on if he's worried about the empty seats: "Yes, of course I worry. I want our fans to be behind the team & be happy. But after what happened in that week its a bit understandable. We're in a job where we have to get the fans on our side & do absolutely everything to do it" https://t.co/BIwGHBDdaD
He thinks it's cause of the last week :lol:
What we have seen is a board that has hidden through the crisis, not a peep from those useless cunts other than to leak about Kroenke Jnr coming over here to wine and dine on an all expenses account. Stay in America with Papa Leech.
And a delusional manager who is so arrogant he simply refuses to believe he has anything to answer for, despite us being in the mix with fucking Burnley for the 6th Place Trophy. Because we haven't lost every single fucking game, that's supposed to be an achievement. Yay. We beat Watford at home in our quarter billion quid stadium with our quarter billion quid squad. Fuck you Burnley! And Wenger is prancing around proclaiming our confidence is back. Well what happened to it in the first place you dopey cunt? Confidence? Confidence to compete against Brighton or that Swedish pub team? He's a fucking joker but there are still plenty of fans who take him seriously.
And the Cult of Wenger. Nothing can help these retards now. They are done. They've got losing and failure and underachievement and mediocrity seared into their souls. They chant from the Book of Wenger. Their most cherished icon is the holy grail itself, the 4th Place Trophy. And the messiah has delivered that unto them for 20 odd years so in their feverish minds he's allowed a slight dip in his "excellence".
That has been Wenger's greatest trick. Convincing so many that failure is a worthy goal.
Fuck off Deeney, you fat Drake looking cunt.
It's Atletico!Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Wrong it's far more embarrassing, cringeworthy in fact. Moreover noone gets annoyed they just want Wenger out, can't blame them either!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Pound for pound the worst club in football when you consider the owner who couldn't care less about football and revels in the share price, the manager who has no love for the club despite the laughable claims he does by some and just does what he wants when he wants without a care in the world for the fans and of course those so called "fans" who basically just support Wenger and really couldn't care less where Arsenal are as long as Wenger is in charge, just plain weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Arsenal "fans" who want us to lose :haha:
Yep & Arsenal fans who pay more than anyone else in world football for a season ticket - to then not want to go to the Stadium. Why would that be do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
So, you still don't quite 'get it' then :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Fun fact. It's possible to understand a point of view without agreeing with it :tiphat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
Whats the situation with Jack? been reading that hes probably off in the summer as the club wont offer him the kind money he wants nor assure him of a starting place.
Wasn't he offered a pay cut to sign. Then he saw Ozil get mega-bucks and the two new guys come in on a fairly hefty salary. He's probably a bit miffed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
The Jack situation is actually one of the only ones i don't blame Wumgit for. Jack needs to prove consistency, not only in his play but keeping himself injury free. He's problems are self inflicted, so many of his injuries have come from him overstretching in a tackle where he has over run the ball. He still tries to dribble through 2 players & not play the easy ball. These things he should have mastered by now to be a top player. He has qualities, no doubt about it but he's nowhere near the finished article & I doubt he ever will be.
:console: what's the matter, not happy people don't aren't wetting themselves over your old Boy Wenger anymore? :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yeah to be honest, he's not managed to stay fit and hasn't really proved himself much, had a few decent games this season but in the last few games he's been as bad as anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Doesn't really deserve a pay rise to be honest and if he believes in himself then he'd believe he can earn the bonuses to top up his salary. He's replaceable IMO, whether we replace him properly is another thing, but he is replaceable.
If he leaves then clearly his love for Arsenal won't be quite as strong as the draw of the money, he's still getting good money and has earnt a lot off the back of the club when he's barely played.
That's fair enough, but just because you don't agree it doesn't mean you have the right to question whether people are fans or not :tiphat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What conspiracy would this be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
post edited.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
In fairness, Zimm did too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
Ignoring that, it is sad to see Gooners fighting amongst themselves these days. Shows what the club has done.
I'm just laughing at so-called Arsenal "fans" who punch the air with delight when we get bad results and whine and WUM at good ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I think there is very little to celebrate in good results. I don’t understand why people would celebrate bad results, but in terms of what needs to happen to Wenger there is far more long term benefit from them.
Zim, part of me genuinely wonders how he will cope when Wenger goes. Being negative about the club is the only possible feeling one can have, taking delight in the negativity is what I don’t get. Being vindicated is one thing, but frankly I’d rather have been wrong.
Maybe it’s just a coping mechanism. But whilst I wouldn’t question how much of a fan Zim is (I have in the past but only ever to irritate him), there are some people in this life who take an almost perverse pleasure in bad things happening
Worked with a few guys like that
In summary I do almost look upon defeats as unfortunate necessities, but they can’t ever be celebrated
that's what having an ageing fanbase does...Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
and I'm laughing at the Arsenal fans who still think Wenger is the bees knees and are over the moon when we beat Watford in a meaningless game and then WUM at the genuine Arsenal fans (not Wenger fans).Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
They are still fans Letters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
No different to you, just different opinions
I agree these wins are pointless, as we can already see Wenger gets more smug and it buys him more time in the job, which we definitely don't want.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
I'll be thrilled when Wengers goes for several reasons:
1) Unpredictability and hope will return, we won't know what will happen and will have hope we can be successful
2) New tactics, new players, new style of play are all a distinct possibility, personally I'd prefer counter attacking but we'd have to wait and see
3) More logical transfers, players being signed in the areas we need and not randomly because the manager likes them
4) No more square pegs in round holes
For me it' all about being sick of Wenger, for years he's not been able to mix it anymore, but what's worse is that he doesn't eve try, he sticks to the same thing season after season, I'm not a fan of the guy, I don't like his arrogance (it's totally unwarranted as he hasn't been successful for years) and lack of humility, nor the fact he really doesn't care about the fans or indeed on the field success (or at least that's very much secondary).
He's ruined the club from head to toe and the day he finally walks out the door will be a great day in the history of Arsenal, even if we do have 2-3 seasons rebuilding (it will take time) that's fine, at least we'll have an aim, like the other clubs, to improve and not just stick to the old failing methods time after time and be proud of it.
Just hope we bring a decent manager in, rather than another yes man or Wenger clone.
Let’s be clear though. Whilst I don’t think there is anything to be celebratedQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I don’t think it’s fair to state that people who are happy for the club to have won the game think Wenger is the bees knees
Although I’m not saying you are saying that, just pointing out there is a distinction to be made
There's plenty of people who after a couple win come out and defend Wenger and slate those that say anything against him (not so much on here maybe but in the fanbase certainly), these are Wenger supporters, not Arsenal supporters because they care more about him than what's happening to the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
It doesn't bother me if someone is happy we won these games to be honest, what does is people piping up and being smug because we won these after a string of defeats, this in no way changes anything.
If we could win every game and know Wenger would be gone, I'd be very happy for us to win them all (I'm torn because I'd like us to win the Europa because it's a European trophy but if it means Wenger gets to stay and gets some sort of praise for this season and gets to stay. it would be hard to stomach).
Realistically though the more we win the less likely he is to leave, he might not leave even if he kept losing of course, but at least you can hope he will, if he won more games and the Europa there's zero chance, I actually think if he had a good run in the league till the end of the season but lost the Europa he'd still be in the job.
So you're not laughing at anyone then, because no-one is doing that. Certainly not on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Complete straw man argument.
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/pho...76-262-193.jpg
If you only had a brain...
No one is celebrating not winning either despite what you think, so it's ironic you bring up the straw man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
#commonsense
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
You always seem very annoyed when we win and super-happy when we don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I shouldn't need to explain why that is odd behaviour from someone who calls themself an Arsenal fan.
This is it in a nutshellQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
It's obvious why he does this though :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I think Zim along with everyone else who thinks this way have explained themselves enough times to make your statement null and void.
You would have to be proper retard to still not understand at this point.
My attitude is I will be glad when he goes and I don’t understand this sentimentality of he shouldn’t be sacked. If he refuses to go of his own accord, of course he should be sacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
For his many faults, had he gone in 2014 the club would have been left in great shape. And it would have been unreasonable not to have given him due credit for that. The fa cup after a trophy drought of nine years was a big deal to me and had he stepped down in the aftermath it would have been to almost universal appreciation from fans.
Four years later he has created so much bad feeling that if he is ever fully rehabilitated it will take a lot of water to go under a lot of bridges. We call him deluded, but I don’t think he is at all. Neither do I think he lacks ambition, he’s just all too aware of his inability to compete either with clubs with better resources or clubs with managers able to figure us out.
I stated last week that were many of us in his situation, unlimited power and a hefty wage I don’t think many of us would let go that easily. It’s easy to be pious when we are not in the situation, and how many managers unless they are preparing to retire would admit they haven’t got it anymore.
But equally its not fair for us as fans to put up with the consequences of human nature. If Wenger had stepped down either last summer or three years previously, he unquestionably would have been doing the right thing, what’s most contemptible for me is the cowardliness of people like the Kroenkes who probably despite what’s claimed otherwise don’t give a shit whether he goes or not and would rather sit back and pressure Wenger to make the decision which we know he won’t
Really? You must be stalking me or something if you know that, truth is I'm not bothered either way, Wenger has ruined it for me, I barely follow the matches anymore thanks to him, so it shows what you know tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
We've already proved you're wrong but even if you had been right, seeing as where the club is and that every win makes it more likely he'll stay in charge it's really not that hard to understand tbh, trouble is with you is that you think Wenger deserves some kind of respect and shouldn't be hounded out by the fans or leave on a bad note, I really don't care as long as he leaves.
I'd love nothing more than for us to be playing good football, challenging for the big prizes and to have excitement back, Wenger is incapable of delivering any of those, on that basis he needs to leave and if we need to lose every game for it to happen, so be it it won't be the end of the world as we're not challenging for anything other than the Europa.
These same people slate other people in the fan base whether we win, draw or loseQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Someone stated that fans who want Wenger sacked if he doesn’t want to go are Shylocks
:rolleyes: