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He's a Turk so it's probably AIDS.
I dunno. Seems like the type of guy that will storm off after a set back. I heard he was a little spicy when Emery took him off against Chelsea. From what Emery said, Ozil turned up for training, then went home because he was feeling sick but turned up for training the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Whatever the case, all eyes will be on this situation for the next game.
I expect pride is playing a huge part in this - probably the last thing his ego needed after his massive, public falling-out with his country is the embarrassment of being subbed at half time and dropped, etc. Massive amount of face-saving going on right now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Why are we talking about Ozil again, the guy didn't even play, might be better to focus on those who did and didn't perform, like the defence and midfield in particular. We don't know wht happened with Ozil, all we know is that Emery said he was sick, I'm pretty sure he'll be back next game though, we definitely need him judging from our last performance.
I thought we missed Ozil in this game more than we apparently missed Xhaka in the second half of the Chelsea game.
Not sure about that. Ozil wouldn't have helped us control the midfield and recycle the ball. We'd have been even more vulnerable than we were on counter attacks as well. We'd have needed Torreira and Guendouzi with Ozil. Can't play Ozil, Ramsey and Xhaka together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
It's all very odd. Read some of the post game comments from Emery. Apparently, players that are sick are supposed to kept away from the team dressing room to avoid infecting other players. Ozil was there in the team dressing room. Maybe they just should have said he was injured with a minor issue if they wanted to cover. The sicknote thing doesn't help him.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
Depends which Özil we’re talking about: the one who, every now and then, is absolutely sublime; or the one who had just 29 touches and created 0 chances against Chelsea? If we can guarantee that we get the former most of the time, then yes, we absolutely need him, but how do we do that? How do we coax it out of him on a regular basis? What tact do we take? Flatter his ego? Sting his pride? Get him angry enough to want to prove a point? I’m really not sure how we go about this when he basically has tenure, and can just fold is arms and carry on trousering 1.5m a month regardless?
Let's put it this way - Chelsea was the match before last, whereas i can't actually remember the last time he was that great, i guess a while before he was 'ill' last season...?Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
Not a half arsed underperforming Ozil obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
I don’t know, it all sounds like fairly bog-standard club PR stuff to me. Whatever’s gone on there in private, Emery and the club still have to be seen to be protecting their players in public (and probably doubly so with Özil right now, with the character assassination that’s going on back in Germany). Emery’s comments may have been a little awkward, but I don’t think we need to look any further that his beginner’s English for the cause of that - I suspect he was making a genuine, if slightly crappy, attempt to shield Özil there, even if he’s privately unhappy with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
(How much better is Emery’s English, by the way? Noticeably better already from that first interview.)
You say obviously but when was the last time Ozil had a sublime man of match performance in the league? Maybe back before he signed a new contract which was last year and almost 9 months ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
I don't how you can say he's been missed at all looking at his current form. He's been in a slump for a long time.
We're not going to miss anybody playing out of form.....but I'm not arguing that we've seen anything amazing recently. We missed an Ozil on form applying himself as we have done for some time now (as you almost seem to be suggesting).
We have an asset that we need to play and need find form and that is easier to do against West Ham than it is against City. Even if I never wanted him to play for Arsenal again, he's obviously a part of the plans here and will play again, just as Mustafi and Xhaka are.
You’re just answering different questions, that’s all - one of you is talking about whether we actually miss him, and the other is talking about whether we need him to perform and deliver.
But we're obviously talking about current form players and what we needed for the West Ham over the weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
It's Arsenal FC. This isn't a vehicle to help Ozil find form. He should be there to help us win games. We won yesterday. It's up to Ozil to find form for himself to get game time if indeed he has fallen out with Emery. We should not be trying to accommodate any player that can't motivate himself. Especially someone that has all the incentive to prove a point to the world considering the scrutiny he's been under since the World Cup.
Have to stop babying this guy. Same goes for all the players. We don't want to recreate a Wenger era problem. We want a meritocracy.
I expected to see Ozil's form improve (based on the opposition and his fundamental quality) before his absence and from what I saw against West Ham my feeling is that we could have done with him.
Part of the way he will find form is by playing. However IF...(and I don't know for sure either way) he refused to be on the bench, then that's beyond the pale and I'm sorry we haven't already sold him.
On Ozil.....having listened to the Arsecast, I'm more and more thinking that it's mental health issues at hand.
With what evidence? A few missed games and poor performances? The lengths....
Also Leno should definitely start the next game, Cech was poor today, at fault for one of the goals for sure today.
Actually none. I just get the feeling with parts of his personality traits, how affronted he often feels, his agent constantly issuing statements defending him (perhaps as much to aid Ozil's state of mind as anything else)Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
and the constant 'he's sick' line with little detail from Wenger and now Emery. I've spent time with a fair number of people with mental health issues and I might be totally wrong, but if it came out, I wouldn't be fraught with surprise.
You mean the only goal they scored. I'd be interested to know what goalkeepers think about Cech's first. I don't think he should have saved it, but I think it is one of those shots that looks like it should to most people. I didn't think he should have saved it at the time and I still don't having seen it a dozen times.
He looked a bit rooted to me and lets face it, it's not the first time he's been beaten down at that near post from a shot that you wouldn't say was particularly hit with serious venom.
Though in fairness there are worse examples of Cech's near-post failure's than the one Arnautovic put past him. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt this time but I would like to see Leno.
No he wasn't, and he made a few good saves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Although I do agree Leno should be starting, Cech's best days are clearly behind him.
They would have scored more if not for Cech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
West Ham didn't score more due mainly to poor finishing, not so much Cech, a keepers job is to keep goals out though, for the goal they scored several people thought he should have done better.
As someone else said he's the past, give Leno a shot, he might be the future, makes no sense to keep playing him.
Hopefully he plays Leno soon just to shut you up and if he does fuck up and isn't ready, you'll prove my point and start moaning about the signing.
Probably be lacking sharpness from not playing cos that's what happens to keepers when they don't play!Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
But if he's not an instant success you're going to moan about it anyway, right? Right!
Well it won't be great if he makes a mistake which leads to a goal that's for sure, but like I said there's a reason teams don't really rotate keepers, if they do keepers tend to make more mistakes as it takes time for them to play themselves into form and you have to legislate for them and give them a bit of leeway. You play your number 1 and then hope that if he does get injured the understudy can perform (generally with keepers they don't get injured a lot so you don't plan to rely on them much).Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
They started off on an even keel before the first game was played and preseason was underway. Emery decided he wanted Cech to start and the reports are that Leno has not impressed in training. No Jerry/Gerry Peyton to blame anymore. Other than almost scoring the best own goal in the history of time (which subsequently did not cost us), Cech hasn't made too many glaring errors. Not sure what else we can expect Emery to do other than play whoever appears best to him.
Speaking of performing in training....the guys on Le Grove seem to be suggesting that being great in training is Xhaka's big party trick which might explain why manager's like playing him but fans are much more divided.....
I actually think Cech has been one of our best players this season so far. He's been pretty good TBH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I don't understand the clamour for Leno starting? If Emery doesn't think he's good enough to start over Cech that should be a major red flag in itself.
He’s come out fighting for his place, at least, and shown that he’s a pro - not seen a whole lot from Emery’s other “5 captains” so far (although I’ll be generous and let Koscielny off).Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I don’t think Emery has any problems with Leno - after reading his comments, it seems to be simple case of Cech having done nothing to lose his place yet. He’s last year’s no.1, had a good preseason and has played well so far. Plus the current porous nature of our defence might be making him think it’s not the best time to chuck a new keeper into a new league?
2/3 years ago, Leno would have been mentioned as one of the top keepers in football. He came off a bad season in Germany, that may have damaged his confidence and his stock dropped a bit. He's moved to a new club and may just need a few months or so to recalibrate and get his confidence back.
Seeing how crazy the keeper market just went and the fact that we have an ageing keeper on our hands, maybe Leno isn't meant for right now but for when we eventually need to replace Cech. Similar to what Juve did to replace Buffon?