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I just think we need another CB in reality, someone with more pace and who can be consistent, Mustafi/Holding aren't really the answer, yes they might have the odd good game but you're not going to get consistently good performances from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Sure, they were dominating us for 30 minutes, but it was more the threat of them turning possession into clear chances more than actual chances that stood out. A combination of one good save from a shot outside the box and a good block from Holding - essentially also doing his job - were the extent of it. The chances from the corners was poor marking rather than not having control of the game. But as you say, a better team will be able to turn that dominance into good chances they’ll put away. As MO said above, it’s something that Emery has to tweak somewhere to get the second half performance there from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Holding has been good this season and is still young enough to learn and improve so no need to castaway yet. Having said that I don't see the point in all of Chambers, Mav and Holding alongside Kos, Sok and Mustafi though clearly Koscielny's days are numbered.
We also had another young CB on the bench yesterday out of nowhere who I had never even heard before.
I somehow can't see us going out and spending a load of money on a ready made top CB next summer though.
Yep, if we start like that in a couple of weeks time against Liverpool the game will be over by half time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Emery is going to really have to earn his corn for the Liverpool game because we can't afford to be so complacent in Defence. We are really going to need to be in perfect shape for the Liverpool game tactically to get anything out of the game.
Holding should learn and improve outside of our first XI, a loan to a PL club like Chambers has been doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Do we really need to be using our First XI as some sort of nursery for developing talents?
Honestly, our First XI should only be a place for exceptional young talents, if you are not consistent enough you shouldn't be getting starts irrespective of your age.
As others have said I think we need to prioritize signing a CB and LB, both should be signed on the basis they are first XI material.
I've already mentioned that a top CB should have been looked at last summer. We didn't sign one so That has gone now.... it's not about the squad being a nursery and I didn't say he should play solely so he can learn and progress his own career.
What is the value in considering whether Holding (who I happen to think has been worth his place) should be loaned out? We are short on defenders right now and even if we weren't he can't be loaned out till January at which point it would still be daft given Kos's current injury, Mav's injury, Sok's injury worries and the fact Chambers is on loan.
What did Holding do to warrant such scrutiny? Besides the handball, I didn't see much wrong with his performance. Agree with MO on this one. A lot of the defensive errors I'm seeing on the pitch seem more to do with the system. We're cutting down on the comical individual errors. I even thought Mustafi had a good second half performance.
I keep forgetting Mavropanos even exists. Is he injured or does Emery simply not rate him enough right now?
Sure, I am not arguing with you or saying what you are suggesting is wrong. I already stated that Holding has done well this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
I think Holding should be loaned out to improve his game. I personally don't think he is good enough to be starting for us.
I am not advocating he should be loaned out right now, I think he should be loaned out once we have purchased a top CB and have a full roster of CB's available.
He lacks pace and was exposed for that again the other night. That for me is a big issue given we play a high line system, that requires mobile defenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Of course I understand that Holding isn't responsible for keeping our Defence together, and understand and agree that all of our Defenders make mistakes. The issue I have is that if we continue with this high line system, which I believe we will, Holding is going to be targeted against mobile attackers and vulnerable to that.
As I said on one of my earlier posts Holding has done well this season...but I don't see him as a long term option given his lack of mobility.
Out till November apparently....Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
On a more encouraging note....he and Holding are 6'3 / 6'4 so we have a few in the ranks of good stature at least.
Totally agree, you can't have two slow CBs on top of that as that makes you very vulnerable to pace, what we need is someone quick in there to at least give us an option if we're up against some speedy forwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Holding came from a lower league without any kind of real pedigree, he's done OK but what makes him good enough to play for a top PL club, even England haven't given him in a place in the squad (and nobodies seem to get in there) and at 23 he's no longer a kid to be honest.
Just not convinced he's going to be top class and I agree only outstanding young players should feature in the 1st team, like you said we're not a nursery, let's not forget Wenger cherry picked this guy and what he knows about defending can be written on the back of a postage stamp so I don't hold much hope for Holding.
If you're playing a highline, organisation, pressing and not given the opposition so much space is key. Holding isn't the quickest but he recovered well and kept up the chase when forced into one on one races. A world class CB with recovery pace is ideal but we're forced to work with what we have. If teams are able to target a CB with one ball that forces our defenders to scurry back to avoid a one on one with the keeper, that means something has gone wrong with the system and we're not pressing hard enough in the middle to prevent the pass. Even with pace in the team, we'd be vulnerable because mistakes always happen when defenders are forced into one on one situations. It happened with Bellerin yesterday and we've seen it plenty of times when we've had quick players.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I don't think he was exposed last night. We've had an international break, he's playing with a new LB next him and it was a dodgy first half for most of the players. Emery has to get these slow first halves under control.
I liked the profile of player Diallo was and have recently found out Dortmund signed in the summer. Looked decent against Atletico last night but there are few quality defenders who won't cost a packet....though it sounds like France has a few relatively unknown gems and the Dutch league has a few that are quickly being hyped.
And no Sporting thread? The game is less than 6 hours!
Maccy! Sort it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
How come we played on Monday if we're playing tonight?
Because we can. :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
That remains to be seen. Also, fun fact - other people can start match threads.
Maybe not with the same style and panache as Maccy, but it can be done.
Maccy will just edit in his style and panache if it’s lacking anyway.
We must respect our glorious leader.
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Maccy
Maccy.
Maccy went to an embassy to apply for a visa. Not sure which one
I hope he hasn't signed for those fuckers at Goonersworld :sulk:
We aren't paying you for nothing....Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
There are some gems in the German League too. A couple of young African players who we are apparently strongly looking at. They won't come dirt cheap though, I read 20-30mill price range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
We were strongly linked with Diallo in the summer IIRC.
The one I would like us to buy is Benjamin Pavard (French CB at Stuttgart), he played full back for France in the World Cup, was a regular. I think we have missed the boat with him now though, I think he will go for big money when he does move, like 50mill+
Wenger.....I mean Maccy out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Quite :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Fewer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Merse says we haven't played anyone yet in the league.
Merse says the Premier League is the Best in the World.
How can both things be true?
Actually in the context, less works.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...