Match Reaction v Palace (home)

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Originally Posted by The Unaibomber

I genuinely have no idea how we as a Club get out of this mess.

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Wenger In! :patrice:

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Originally Posted by dazthegooner

How come VAR works in Rugby but not Football?

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Rugby is more stop-start, it does make it easier. But they don't seem to have got VAR right yet, by all accounts it robbed us of 2 points yesterday.
The whole point of it was to make decisions better and right now it isn't doing that.

I guess it's been around a long time in rugby so they've got use to it, but I'm not sure how many people are looking at VAR, but IMO there should be maybe 2-3 people assessing the decision and the ref certainly should have a look too if the decision reverses his effectively.

I think if that had happened it would have been a goal. Doesn't take away from the fact this game should have been won before that though, we left ourselves open to a decision affecting the game like that with another poor performance, when we start turning up and performing then people might have more sympathy.

sick of it all tbh.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Rugby is more stop-start, it does make it easier. But they don't seem to have got VAR right yet, by all accounts it robbed us of 2 points yesterday.
The whole point of it was to make decisions better and right now it isn't doing that.

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if football's about entertainment then VAR is absolutely robbing us of it - all tata joy of thinking we had the winner rubbed out because someone thought Chambo did anything worse than all the other players involved in that goalmouth scramble.

shocking decision, there was no 'clear and obvious error' within ten miles of the incident - why the fuhk didn't Atkinson check it out for himself - apart from the fact he was so biased towards Palace in that game, that is...

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Originally Posted by Mac76

if football's about entertainment then VAR is absolutely robbing us of it - all tata joy of thinking we had the winner rubbed out.

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I imagine the Palace fans found it entertaining...
The issue I have is that the whole point of VAR is to get stuff right.
We were in a ridiculous situation with instant replays where sometimes everyone in the stadium would know a mistake had been made apart from the referee. Clearly ridiculous.
But too often VAR isn't even getting stuff right. If it can't do that then it's pointless and doing more harm than good.

The guy in charge of the VAR yesterday has never ref'd a premier league match only having ref experience in 9 footbal league fixture's its like having someone re-wire your house because he once chnged a plug.

We are a badly run club

I don't have any faith in any of our decision makers. The Barca and Spanish brigade needs to go.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I imagine the Palace fans found it entertaining...
The issue I have is that the whole point of VAR is to get stuff right.
We were in a ridiculous situation with instant replays where sometimes everyone in the stadium would know a mistake had been made apart from the referee. Clearly ridiculous.
But too often VAR isn't even getting stuff right. If it can't do that then it's pointless and doing more harm than good.

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VAR works when its clear cut... offside, crossing the goal line, handballs they are yes or no... think it can be a bit more contentious for fouls as slowing the action down can make things look worse than they are. maybe leave VAR for the yes or no answers with no interpretation required.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

VAR works when its clear cut... offside, crossing the goal line, handballs they are yes or no... think it can be a bit more contentious for fouls as slowing the action down can make things look worse than they are. maybe leave VAR for the yes or no answers with no interpretation required.

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this

all the other stuff relies on essentially subjective decisions by officials, which we know they don't get right

Taken From Twitter:

Gallas gave up
Cesc went on strike
RVP wrote a public letter asking to leave
Koscielny went on strike to get a move
Xhaka told the fans to fuck off

Someone needs to put the pride back into being arsenal fc captain.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

VAR works when its clear cut... offside, crossing the goal line, handballs they are yes or no... think it can be a bit more contentious for fouls as slowing the action down can make things look worse than they are. maybe leave VAR for the yes or no answers with no interpretation required.

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This was always my understanding of what it would be for before it came in. Suddenly we have people now saying it was supposed to clear everything up. It was never supposed to do that, come in and takeover everything.

We were actually screwed by a an incompetent guy in a room using the technology incompetently. We were screwed by the wizard of Oz behind the bleeding curtain and we actually know his name.

I thought my head was going to explode at the game, I can't take this level of tension in every single league game. There was me thinking 10 minutes in that our second goal might have actually killed it as a contest. Jeez.

We are already 12 points off top after only 10 games. I hope Liverpool do win the league as that is the blue print we should be aiming to replicate.

If Liverpool can win the league then there is no reason we cant in terms of resources. Personnel and Manager is a different thing.

We were lead to believe that Emery had a detailed dossier of all the players. obviously this wasn't the case. What does Emery do with Xhaka next, also will he give in to the demand for Ozil who we also have issues with and isn't actually the answer either. In the league next we have Wolves home and the Leicester away. Neither game is really ideal for Ozil as they are decent teams.

Perhaps Southampton at home could be a game for Ozil. But Leicester away could be a big issue for us.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

We are already 12 points off top after only 10 games. I hope Liverpool do win the league as that is the blue print we should be aiming to replicate.

If Liverpool can win the league then there is no reason we cant in terms of resources. Personnel and Manager is a different thing.

We were lead to believe that Emery had a detailed dossier of all the players. obviously this wasn't the case. What does Emery do with Xhaka next, also will he give in to the demand for Ozil who we also have issues with and isn't actually the answer either. In the league next we have Wolves home and the Leicester away. Neither game is really ideal for Ozil as they are decent teams.

Perhaps Southampton at home could be a game for Ozil. But Leicester away could be a big issue for us.

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He will stick to his guns - because that's what stubborn small-minded men do.

Well it was the case but his interpretation of all the information is obviously no good which is the fundamental issue. If his conclusions from the info was any good, he would have come in sceptical of Xhaka right from the off.

Frankly, the pair of them are so busy throwing each other under the bus without even meaning to, they might both end up dying together.

We got it wrong with Emery. Just need to accept that and go back to the drawing board. Somehow this is worse than what we saw in Wenger’s final season.

Get rid while we can still salvage the season.

Hopefully Xhaka can be flogged as well, what a cunt.

Can’t stand this team and the bunch of losers it has in its ranks. Except an obvious few.

I don't blame Xhaka for his reaction, it's not his fault he's not good enough. It's Emery's fault for starting him every match and naming him captain despite him being garbage.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

We got it wrong with Emery. Just need to accept that and go back to the drawing board. Somehow this is worse than what we saw in Wenger’s final season.

Get rid while we can still salvage the season.

Hopefully Xhaka can be flogged as well, what a cunt.

Can’t stand this team and the bunch of losers it has in its ranks. Except an obvious few.

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We may make a mistake on the next appointment too, but that doesnt mean we continue with this dross. Frankly, I wouldnt mind re-looking at Arteta or even considering Ljunberg for the role. Or if we really want to take a shot at the big papas out there, bring in Allegri.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

I don't blame Xhaka for his reaction, it's not his fault he's not good enough. It's Emery's fault for starting him every match and naming him captain despite him being garbage.

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I agree.
Ian Wright said that the fans have been patient with him.
No they bloody haven't! :lol:
It's not Xhaka's fault he's not good enough, it's not Ozil's fault he's not playing.
Emery has massively mismanaged all of this.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

I don't blame Xhaka for his reaction, it's not his fault he's not good enough. It's Emery's fault for starting him every match and naming him captain despite him being garbage.

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It is Emerys' fault for sure, however the lack of effort on the pitch is down to him, as his his reaction, it's unacceptable for a player nevermind captain to behave that way, he's paid handsomely and criticism is part and parcel of that.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

We got it wrong with Emery. Just need to accept that and go back to the drawing board. Somehow this is worse than what we saw in Wenger’s final season.

Get rid while we can still salvage the season.

Hopefully Xhaka can be flogged as well, what a cunt.

Can’t stand this team and the bunch of losers it has in its ranks. Except an obvious few.

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Yeah that's it for me, just hope the next manager is more logical and idenitifies issues with the team and doesn't stick with players who just aren't up to scratch.

:)

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Originally Posted by Letters

I agree.
Ian Wright said that the fans have been patient with him.
No they bloody haven't! :lol:
It's not Xhaka's fault he's not good enough, it's not Ozil's fault he's not playing.
Emery has massively mismanaged all of this.

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This.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

I don't blame Xhaka for his reaction, it's not his fault he's not good enough. It's Emery's fault for starting him every match and naming him captain despite him being garbage.

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I didn't really give a shi* about him cupping his ear and only knew he told the fans to f off once I'd got home....but did he really need to walk off in slow motion?

Ozil got all kinds of abuse for the same thing earlier this year, albeit in a much bigger game, but we had even less chance of getting back into that one. The score was 2-2 here FFS.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Yeah that's it for me, just hope the next manager is more logical and idenitifies issues with the team and doesn't stick with players who just aren't up to scratch.

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problem no guarantee that the next manager will be any better. United have gone through more managers and spent a lot of money and they are below us.

even if we brought in allegri who has plenty of pedigree, no guarantee that he will turn this lot into champions. however, could be worth the risk.

EVen though I wouldn't want Mourinho near he made an interesting comment
"I Think the biggest problem down there is that they are not doing the obvious things correctly like they’re not playing the correct players in the correct positions...they’re not starting their best players, players like Lucas Torreira who I personally feel was one of the best players in the last World Cup and also for Arsenal playing as the base defensive midfielder, I really don’t understand this situation and also Özil...you have to understand that Mesut is not Messi or Ronaldo, he won’t carry your team single handed, he’s more of a creative genius and a creative genius is only as good as the attack in front of him, all these years at Arsenal he did not have the right players in front of him and now when he does, for some reason he is omitted entirely, people say he is lazy but they can’t be more wrong, Özil works very hard and the football for him it’s not a job like most of the players these days, football is his life, he enjoys football ...In England I have got the idea that people here will prefer guys who can run and run and run for 90 minutes, so even when those guys have a bad game people will say oh atleast he gave it his all, people in England don’t welcome smart runners and Özil is a smart runner...so I think people in England will take a runner over a creative genius.[On what would be Arsenal's best xi] I’d say Leno, Bellerin, Holding, David Luiz, Tierney, Lucas Torreira, Ceballos, Özil, Pepe, Aubameyang, Lacazette. “Why no Guendouzi?” Guendouzi is a fantastic talent but in my career I’ve seen time and time again youngsters with immense talent do nothing because they started starting regularly for their clubs and their desire to improve went with that, they became stale , I don’t want Guendouzi to end up like that, he has leadership qualities as well...I will like to say one thing that Arsenal on paper have one one of the best attacks in the league but are suffering from a lack of creativity"

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Originally Posted by dazthegooner

EVen though I wouldn't want Mourinho near he made an interesting comment
"I Think the biggest problem down there is that they are not doing the obvious things correctly like they’re not playing the correct players in the correct positions...they’re not starting their best players, players like Lucas Torreira who I personally feel was one of the best players in the last World Cup and also for Arsenal playing as the base defensive midfielder, I really don’t understand this situation and also Özil...you have to understand that Mesut is not Messi or Ronaldo, he won’t carry your team single handed, he’s more of a creative genius and a creative genius is only as good as the attack in front of him, all these years at Arsenal he did not have the right players in front of him and now when he does, for some reason he is omitted entirely, people say he is lazy but they can’t be more wrong, Özil works very hard and the football for him it’s not a job like most of the players these days, football is his life, he enjoys football ...In England I have got the idea that people here will prefer guys who can run and run and run for 90 minutes, so even when those guys have a bad game people will say oh atleast he gave it his all, people in England don’t welcome smart runners and Özil is a smart runner...so I think people in England will take a runner over a creative genius.[On what would be Arsenal's best xi] I’d say Leno, Bellerin, Holding, David Luiz, Tierney, Lucas Torreira, Ceballos, Özil, Pepe, Aubameyang, Lacazette. “Why no Guendouzi?” Guendouzi is a fantastic talent but in my career I’ve seen time and time again youngsters with immense talent do nothing because they started starting regularly for their clubs and their desire to improve went with that, they became stale , I don’t want Guendouzi to end up like that, he has leadership qualities as well...I will like to say one thing that Arsenal on paper have one one of the best attacks in the league but are suffering from a lack of creativity"

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He's pretty spot on about everything he's said, if only we had a manager who thought as logically.

Yeah, as much as I despite him, I can't argue with any of that.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Somehow this is worse than what we saw in Wenger’s final season.

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:coffee:

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Originally Posted by Letters

Yeah, as much as I despite him, I can't argue with any of that.

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me neither, he's got it exactly right...

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Originally Posted by dazthegooner

EVen though I wouldn't want Mourinho near he made an interesting comment
"I Think the biggest problem down there is that they are not doing the obvious things correctly like they’re not playing the correct players in the correct positions...they’re not starting their best players, players like Lucas Torreira who I personally feel was one of the best players in the last World Cup and also for Arsenal playing as the base defensive midfielder, I really don’t understand this situation and also Özil...you have to understand that Mesut is not Messi or Ronaldo, he won’t carry your team single handed, he’s more of a creative genius and a creative genius is only as good as the attack in front of him, all these years at Arsenal he did not have the right players in front of him and now when he does, for some reason he is omitted entirely, people say he is lazy but they can’t be more wrong, Özil works very hard and the football for him it’s not a job like most of the players these days, football is his life, he enjoys football ...In England I have got the idea that people here will prefer guys who can run and run and run for 90 minutes, so even when those guys have a bad game people will say oh atleast he gave it his all, people in England don’t welcome smart runners and Özil is a smart runner...so I think people in England will take a runner over a creative genius.[On what would be Arsenal's best xi] I’d say Leno, Bellerin, Holding, David Luiz, Tierney, Lucas Torreira, Ceballos, Özil, Pepe, Aubameyang, Lacazette. “Why no Guendouzi?” Guendouzi is a fantastic talent but in my career I’ve seen time and time again youngsters with immense talent do nothing because they started starting regularly for their clubs and their desire to improve went with that, they became stale , I don’t want Guendouzi to end up like that, he has leadership qualities as well...I will like to say one thing that Arsenal on paper have one one of the best attacks in the league but are suffering from a lack of creativity"

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Where did you find that interview if you don't mind me asking.

Sorry can't remember tried searching my history no good I'm afraid.

Found it was on the FB Arsenal fans group from 'Oh my Arsenal'

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Originally Posted by dazthegooner

Sorry can't remember tried searching my history no good I'm afraid.

Found it was on the FB Arsenal fans group from 'Oh my Arsenal'

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it's here: https://zh-tw.facebook.com/groups/359298780863427/

most of it is in chinese but scroll down and you will find it

maybe a hoax?

Well if it is a hoax it's a bloody good one :)

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Originally Posted by Letters

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Jesus.

Still butt hurt. ;)

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Jesus.

Still butt hurt. ;)

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Still after all these years. Letters knows how to hold a grudge

Apology accepted :console:

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Originally Posted by dazthegooner

EVen though I wouldn't want Mourinho near he made an interesting comment
"I Think the biggest problem down there is that they are not doing the obvious things correctly like they’re not playing the correct players in the correct positions...they’re not starting their best players, players like Lucas Torreira who I personally feel was one of the best players in the last World Cup and also for Arsenal playing as the base defensive midfielder, I really don’t understand this situation and also Özil...you have to understand that Mesut is not Messi or Ronaldo, he won’t carry your team single handed, he’s more of a creative genius and a creative genius is only as good as the attack in front of him, all these years at Arsenal he did not have the right players in front of him and now when he does, for some reason he is omitted entirely, people say he is lazy but they can’t be more wrong, Özil works very hard and the football for him it’s not a job like most of the players these days, football is his life, he enjoys football ...In England I have got the idea that people here will prefer guys who can run and run and run for 90 minutes, so even when those guys have a bad game people will say oh atleast he gave it his all, people in England don’t welcome smart runners and Özil is a smart runner...so I think people in England will take a runner over a creative genius.[On what would be Arsenal's best xi] I’d say Leno, Bellerin, Holding, David Luiz, Tierney, Lucas Torreira, Ceballos, Özil, Pepe, Aubameyang, Lacazette. “Why no Guendouzi?” Guendouzi is a fantastic talent but in my career I’ve seen time and time again youngsters with immense talent do nothing because they started starting regularly for their clubs and their desire to improve went with that, they became stale , I don’t want Guendouzi to end up like that, he has leadership qualities as well...I will like to say one thing that Arsenal on paper have one one of the best attacks in the league but are suffering from a lack of creativity"

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Bloody hell I actually agree with all of it.

Hold on...I swear I heard the other day Maureen say that if Xhaka should be first team?