If by my missus you mean son and by cum you mean have recurring nightmares and have to point out on a cuddly toy where he was touched then yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
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If by my missus you mean son and by cum you mean have recurring nightmares and have to point out on a cuddly toy where he was touched then yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
Re the pens, yes, we had the favour of VAR for a change, but they have to let the ref know if its a clear and obvious mistake.
Regardless of whether Oliver’s decision was right or wrong, neither could be classed as obvious mistakes by the rules of the game. How could you say Thiago got any of the ball. It might be soft, and Jesus may have bought it, but if those are the standards its not a mistake by Oliver.
I would be upset with the handball if it were the other way round, but again, the precedent is that it has to be unnatural in movement, and I think arm down is more unnatural there because he couldn’t possibly balance otherwise.
The standard here at goonersweb has really gone into the toilet.
Thanks for all the good reads over the year there have been some good posters but it’s no longer worth visit. (I know someone will come afterwards and give me grief and say I was a lurker and no loss etc but wanted to say thanks to the sensible posters, MO, GP, seals sir, letters, LDG, Mac etc, who’ve made it worthwhile)
Sorry if it was my post that did it.
He was a lurker, no loss
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bit odd tbh :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by mkkreuk
My two cents worth:
IT WAS A PEN ALL DAY LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MOOHOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"back of the net!"
"top bins!"
etc, etc
This thread seemed to be going ok until the triumvirate of twats got involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Triumvirate of twats?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
Triumvirate means three, there’s only one of you
The one thing I like (or at least liked) about this place was that sensible discussion was for girly men and that this was a sanctuary for unpleasant and unnecessary abuse
No seriously though…sensible discussion has its place, but so does accusing someone you’ll never meet of being a kiddy fiddler
I was referring to you, Mandela and myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Twat
I’m not a twat im a cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
Although both descriptors for the same thing, there’s a subtle difference
OMG the media cannot stop trying to make excuses for us beating their precious Liverpool.
So After Klopp's press conference, it has now 'emerged' that Saka may have been in a camera blind spot in the lead up tot our first goal which made it impossible for VAR to draw the line which proved he was offside.
Seriously, can they all just fuck the fuck off!!
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Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
Do you really care?
Well in the good spirit of the game we should offer to replay the match :good: <_<
Not normally, but it seems every week they are looking into excuses that we shouldn't have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
It would just be nice to see us get the credit we deserve for once without it being marred in fake controversy
Some media commentators give us our just deserts, but you need to remember that stirring up comtroversy sells papers and generates phone calls to radio stations, that's what it's all about
They can all FOAD tbh
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Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
I get why it can be annoying, but personally I’ve long passed the point of caring whether a win is deserved or not. And it works both ways, if we draw or lose when we were the better side or have had a decision go against us…it’s materially irrelevant in the sense that you don’t get do overs and whilst it might make for an interesting talking point for bitter has beens and men who spit at children, it really changes nothing. A win will still be a win and a loss still a loss.
The last game I went to was against Brighton, to say I wasn’t pleased that Martinelli’s goal was chalked off was an understatement, but ultimately a game that could and maybe should have ended 2-2 equally can’t come away and complain too much because we were distinctly second best throughout that match. Whether Liverpool can feel hard done by certain decisions doesn’t change the fact that they were distinctly second best and maybe need to do more to look at their own performance.
I don’t listen to sky sports commentary shy of you tube clips of Roy Keane getting into arguments with Jamie Carragher (so watching for the side show rather than any respect for their analysis), I sure as hell don’t listen to Talksport or read the newspapers. The only sports periodical I tend to read because it’s quite interesting is the Athletic.
I don't care.
I don't think there's any inherent anti-Arsenal bias in the media. Certain individuals will have that of course, but Ian Wright is very much the opposite of course.
Fans of any club tend to fixate and moan about the people who are anti their club. But as stated, I don't care. I just enjoy their tears.
With the Liverpool result neither of the two penalty incidents, the one given and the one not, were clear. So those are discussion points. It did feel like they went for us, but there have plenty of times where the reverse has been true so I think, on balance, we'll keep the 3 points thanks.
i hate to be in any way tin-foil-hat about this but actually i do think our players get put under more scrutiny by the media and refs than others, and much of the media have a hard time talking us up compared to Liverpool, Spuds and one or two other teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
for example if K**t played for us he'd be criticised more for his constant cheating and violent conduct - i know it's partly his England captain status but being Spuds captain also helps him
perhaps it's the general right-wing/underlying-racist bias of much the media that's also playing a part here - Arsenal are supported by lots of 'Islington lefties', also our fan base must be one of if not the most diverse in the country
You think that the dislike is political?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Yes we may be based in Islington, but Arsenal has historically been known as the Bank of England club…until Porn Tache bought us…the board was full of Tory blue bloods blue chip business owners.
Plus you have to ask yourself why would they then favour Liverpool or either of the Manchester clubs which are clearly left wing Labour controlled areas….Liverpool especially is a hot bed of socialism.
I think there is a certain anti- Arsenal bias in the media, but this is not political. I think it's a hangover from the Wenger days when we were perceived as a foreign team in an English league. Conversely the Sp*ds have a perception of being an 'English' 'team. It is also down to the fact that amongst a certain generation of pundits and influencers there is a preponderance of Manure and Liverpool supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
But it is not as marked as we might believe subjectively, and we have to accept that some of our detractors have simply followed our trajectory in recent years. We are a 'big club' that has failed to win anything really major for nearly 2 decades. Of course this is likely to encourage criticism, and the only way to combat that is to improve league performances.
Success brings admiration and alters perceptions. People like to back winners, and join bandwagons that look like they are going places. It was interesting to see us get the rub of the green from the ref on Sunday. This is what happens when a team is clearly on the up, and plays effective and exciting football.
Slightly off-topic but related. It's been interesting listening to the pundit views since our victory against the Scousers. The media love a story and are beginning to talk us up as the most credible challenger to City this season. I have noticed quite a few pundits such as Roy Keane, Carragher and Redknapp are talking us up as title challengers now. I guess this is born from us winning games against our top 4 rivals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Arsenal just haven’t been relevant enough over the years to give any credence to. Whether there’s an anti-Arsenal agenda or not it’s hard to really argue against the doubters because it’s the same sentiment we’ve all shared since Wenger redefined what success was post 2006 and we descended into also rans.
The title talk isn’t helpful at this stage because it’s so early. 1 or 2 bum results for us and we could suddenly drop a few places. I suppose they’ve got to create their narrative somehow and a rejuvenated Arsenal does provide some intrigue.
sure, i only said 'perhaps', but the right-wing media are essentially London-based and i can't help feeling there's something there, i get your point about Liveprool but given the orthodoxy about Hillsborough adn Livepool are being victims etc they have no choice but to be fairly uncritical or at least balanced - as for Manchester again the orthodoxy is to go on about how brilliant it isQuote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
in terms of "the most credible challenger to City this season" then sure why not, we're doing better than anyone else - but "most credible" doesn't equal "likely" - it's extremely unlikely we'll trouble Citeh unless Haaland, De Bruyne and Foden all get injuredQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Right. Remember after 3 games last year the media were sucking Spurs' cocks and declaring them serious contenders. 3 games in! And after our calamitous start the panic buttons were being well and truly pressed. 3 games later we were above Spurs and while we did end up below them it was only because of our late slip, there was nothing between the clubs last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I think you’re boxing yourself into a corner a bit on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I think IBK is a bit more accurate in his summation of it, even though the irony is that Chelsea and not us were the first team to put out a non English XI
The main bias against us I feel was always the repeated claim that Arsenal don’t like it up them or have a soft underbelly which had an underpinning of xenophobia which believes that English are stoic and stiff upper lipped and foreigners are spineless jellyfish. I think this has had an effect and whilst the term unconscious bias is over sold I think referees have absorbed this and have a tendency to be lenient to teams who’s behaviour towards us is similar to that of Don Revie’s Leeds towards any opponent.
I think the style of football we played especially at the zenith of the Wenger era was always actually admired, and often commentators would say “it’s no longer boring, boring Arsenal”
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Sky sports especially have a vested interest in talking us up as challengers though, because the best league in the world which they frequently sell the premier league as being is going to be competitive and isn’t going to have one team canter to the title (and yes it’s far more likely City will do exactly that, than we pull off a Leicester City)
I think that comes down to Haaland, as good as De Bruyne is (and he is, still the best creative midfielder in the premier league by some distance) without a central focal point for attack…it was always possible to catch City on an off day. Now I just don’t see that happening….I’m not saying they will go the season unbeaten but I think they are definitely capable of it
We are so far based on results and performances too which have backed them up. I personally do not think we can continue this great form for numerous reasons, our squad depth being the main one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Despite that, I think if we can keep a relatively healthy squad then we should definitely be aiming for a top 3 finish this season.
You missed Fakeyank in that list tbf..Quote:
Originally Posted by mkkreuk
No he didn't :ninja:
:ilt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What happened between Gabriel and Henderson ? I thought soon after the match finished that it must have been something racial because of all the secrecy. I'm not surprised at all the FA are getting lip readers to tell them what was said and by whom, I'm a bit surprised SKY haven't, although maybe they have. Its all very intriguing.
Is it? I think it just feels unlikely to me that Henderson has got to the age he has got to in the name, never a racial epithet has passed his lips in public and suddenly it does. If he was John Terry or Lee Bowyer where he had a bit of form you’d think ok…but Henderson is pretty non controversial as footballers go.
Of course it doesn’t rule it out, but just doesn’t seem like the likeliest explanation. I think Something has been said, and Gabriel has taken offence either because he’s misheard or misinterpreted something or something personally insulting to him or a team mate.
I don’t generally find it all that interesting tbh
Back in the day literally no-one would be saying anything about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Partly, I guess, because there wouldn't have been 10 different camera angles in HD to pore through.
But yeah, holy shit who cares? I mean, if it was something racial then that needs dealing with, but I agree it seems unlikely.
If it’s non racial, it’s just sledging….and I’m a big fan of sledging especially on the cricket pitchQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
“How’s your wife and my kids?”
“Wife’s fine….kids are retarded”
He did miss IBK though :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
:oldboy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
and the famous one with Glenn McGrath to Sarwan: “What does Brian Lara’s dick taste like?”Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Sarwan: “Ask your wife.”
:lol:
Who?Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK