yes, absolutely it's one of his biggest flaws - £8.5m a year and he can't master changeing tactics or formation mid-game it seems, unless it's to take off a MF and create a back threeQuote:
Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
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yes, absolutely it's one of his biggest flaws - £8.5m a year and he can't master changeing tactics or formation mid-game it seems, unless it's to take off a MF and create a back threeQuote:
Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
Funnily enough just been discussing this with my mate
We basically agree that Arteta is scared to change the system despite not having the players available to make the system we are playing tenable
I had to literally screen shot the subs from Friday’s game with Southampton…he simply couldn’t process why we’d start Vieira when Jorginho was available
I explained the only possible explanation for it is because Arteta won’t change the system therefore has to have a number 8 in there (and the “need” for an inverted left back meant that he didn’t play Zinchenko as a no 8)
I understand to a degree the hesitancy to change the system this late on in this system but it’s no working…something needs to change. And in my mind we should have a back up system to factor for injuries to begin with.
Agree with all that :gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Fuck me, man...against Man City :haha: :haha: :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
On a board full of some of the most ignorant football minds, this has to be the fuckin stupidest post I've ever seen. Jesus fuckin Christ :haha: :haha: :haha:
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Originally Posted by mandela8
I wouldn’t leave out Partey either but I’m guessing there’s no mirrors in the squalid tenement you call a home for you to get any sense of reflection
He has been shite since he came back from international duty. I don’t know if he’s carrying an injury or whether he’s worried about the prospect of prison time in Accra. But the Partey we’ve seen in the last few games is the Partey that was stinking out the place in the Autumn of 2021 (and he even admitted himself that he was dreadful back then)
Honestly out of all the people that have added their thoughts to this thread, yours are by far the worst….and no surprise either.
Partey is no doubt a top player but the fact that he’s so crucial to us is more indicative of the absolute turd that we’ve got in central midfield…and frankly if we sign that Caicedo from Brighton I expect to be getting a player who in a short space of time could be a step up from Partey
Partey has been poor lately but he’s still the first name on the team sheet for me.
I think he’s having to drop very deep to collect the ball at the moment and that means he’s getting caught in dangerous areas a lot. Our transition play has gone to shit and he’s an essential cog in that wheel working effectively. Hopefully he turns up against City.
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
There we are a slightly more reasonable view
I think it’s a combination of him being poor…sloppy on the ball…and not enjoying the protection he had with someone who was comfortable on the ball enough to play out from the ball at centre back. Either in Saliba or Ben White the previous season
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
He's very clearly had to adapt to a different style in which he's recieving the ball in midfield where he can turn and progress, which is what he's so brilliant at. Just now he's having to drop right back and try to play out from there.
He made a couple of unrelated mistakes but who gies a fuck?
It's the simplicity of 'analysis' that gets me :haha:
Partey is the best player in the team.
That's not even remotely debatable. It's not an opinion. It's an observable fact.
If you don't think he is then you're a spastic.
It's as simple as that.
I'd stand by the concept of dropping someone if they are playing very poorly, no matter what they're like when they're good, albeit it there aren't many other optionsQuote:
Originally Posted by mandela8
Anyway it doesn't make any difference, talking about who to play on Weds is just moving deckchairs around on the Titanic
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Originally Posted by mandela8
The only observable fact is that you’re a danger to children
What he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
But on a serious note, we really need to get to a safe place where everyone is droppable...no one should be allowed to get away with shit displays week in and out.
Anyway Partey should play...and hopefully stay the full 90mins to ensure the "voodoo" of him not losing a game he starts and finishes (at least in the EPL this season) holds.
The reason Partey is undroppable is because Central midfield is the one area where we have no depth. Elneny? Why the fuck did we give him a new contract. We need proper players not mascots.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
We need an improvement on Xhaka in the No 8 role and we need someone who is just as good if not better than Partey in the no 6 role (and genuinely think Caicedo is that player)
I don't get the Xhaka hate. I really don't.
Is he the best to ever play the role? Nope. But at least he's male. Same can't be said for most of the rest.
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Originally Posted by mandela8
Partey? Turn and progress?
You must think people are blind.
The one thing you can absolutely guarantee is that Partey will get the ball and find some way, even if it's close on impossible, to SLOOOOOOOOWLY pass it backwards. And even then he often manages to find the opposition.
Absolute shitkicker of a non-player and one of the primary reasons the title is heading north.
This is a shit league filled with shit teams. Apart from City. City are a proper team based on the modern day principles of football, those being 90% the chequebook and 10% the culture. Even so, Arsenal won enough games to give them a brief (very brief I would estimate) pause for thought. Maybe the gypos feared a new Leicester was in the offing, at points where Arsenal won, won and won again.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
But they also would have noticed Arsenal collapsing in little clusters around, you didn't guess it, fixtures with City. Arsenal overcame the chequebook, which is worthy of praise. But Wenger's culture is harder to fix. TOP FOUR TROPHY. That's the real "system" that has caused a decade of grief. You can't be a winner when your dream is to be a loser.
Basically what the fans are moaning about now is Arteta has managed to turn a bunch of habitual losers from a TOP FOUR TROPHY outfit (couldn't even manage that) into champions finishing above the finished article. Not yet anyway.
The fact they even competed (sort of) means we can ignore the fans who think they could do a better job of solving the almost impossible challenge laid down by Wenger. It's tempered because this is a shit league filled with shit teams. But none were a bigger pile than Arsenal last season. This season things are a little different. For the first time since Wenger burned it all down.
I wonder. Which other manager could have possibly provoked such a profound improvement? Pep? Maybe. Klopp? Don't think so. Any of the revolving door managers at Utd?
Doesn't seem like being "scared" has taken this team from nowhere to somewhere. Let's face it, he hasn't had a lot to play with. But he's kept the loyal (until a couple of weeks ago) fans interested for a lot longer than usual.
Check the bit in bold. And reflect on it. OR, explain to me why Partey is "no doubt a top player". That's every bit as ridiculous as anything Mandela is claiming.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
And at least Mandela had the grace to call out the ludicrous bullshit that has been going on here up until the last few games. You all wanked over the Bournemouth farce, didn't you?
You've made some good posts on this thread mate. Some perspective is needed regarding where we are currently. I am not excusing 3 avoidable and extremely disappointing recent results but some fans who think that Arteta should not stay on at the club have unrealistic expectations about where we should be in his project. We are ahead of schedule and we need to see whether we kick on from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
In fact we saw clearly on Friday what we miss when Xhaka is out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Bang on. Arteta has slipped up partly because he has stuck with a system that requires our first team choices to make it work, and treats replacements as like for like when they are either inferior or have different strenghts and in particular weaknesses. He needs to alter his system to protect and adapt to 2nd choice players, not expose them by expecting them to deliever what injured or out of form first teamers can.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
Other people may have done but I was a mixture of relieved and angry that put ourselves in the position to begin withQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It’s all relative at the end of the day, when you’re judging a player you can only judge them against the quality of players in the game presently. And in that regard yes Partey is a top player
Also in respect of your other post, it feels a bit contradictory. You blame the club for its mentality by citing the whole Top 4 Trophy thing but then start by conceding that in a shit league city win by 90% chequebook.
You can argue that to explicitly state Top 4 is a trophy breeds a mentality that doesn’t even try to win. But ultimately the 90% chequebook will always override the 10% mentality/culture in the long term.
This idea that we’ve not achieved because the fans weren’t ambitious enough and didn’t demand it more…Is lovely and everything. But believing I should be a Doctor won’t bridge the intellectual gap to make it happen
In fairness, I don't think NQ was saying that the club currently accepts that top four is a trophy, but arguing that this was the case during the late Wenger years, and created a mentality that has taken a lot to shift...Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
I read his post as supportive of what Arteta has achieved, and as calling out fans who think that he should have made the leap from a team outside the European places to league winners by now.
I got what he was saying my argument is more aimed at this demonisation of Wenger as being the spokesman for the clubs lack of ambition. Whether he should have explicitly stated that top 4 was a trophy, it’s abundantly clear there’s a difference in what the club was able to spend then and now.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
And when he accepts that Man City’s victories are 90% chequebook based, it seems no less so for Chelsea and United at a time where finishing in the top four and finishing above spurs appeared to be the zenith of our ambition. Wenger could have walked away earlier of course but he stated that he didn’t like being the coach when we were at the Emirates because he felt he did not have the chance to make the kind of title challenging sides that he’d made in the past. But equally it was those consistent top four finishes that put us in reasonable good stead for someone like Arteta to build a title winning side now.
Granted Arteta does deserve credit for the big leap he’s made from last year to this year, but he equally deserves scrutiny for his failure to adapt under the heat of City creeping up on us, which they were always going to do.