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Maybe. People need to remember he left his club at 16 so if he wasn't loyal to them he was never going to be loyal to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
He could've also let his first Arsenal contract run down and leave for free but he didn't so at least we got £30m for him.
We will never sign a midfielder as good as him ever again.
I know one thing, I'd rather have Fabregas GHEL'ing for us. It'll be horrible watching him do a job on us if Barca come calling again this season. I doubt we'll boo him though, far too many other targets in that cuntish team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
There's only so much he'd be able to do from the benchQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
we keep comforting ourselves saying he'll be on the bench but he'll be in the starting eleven, without a shadow of doubt
No one knows if Cesc told his pals to spout off the in the media. Jeez.
I agree he should have spoken himself about his desire to leave but I guess he felt he didn't want to upset anyone or say anything bad about the club, so kept a dignified silence out of respect. He made several statements on Arsenal.com throughout the saga to correct any media shit that emerged that made it look like he was disrespecting the club. It was quite cute in a way, he obviously didn't want to lose the rapport with the fans.
Booing him on a future return? Get the fuck out of here. Whilst it's not exactly the return of Henry or Bergkamp, he'd still get a polite applause from me.
What we have lost is a magnificent player. Honestly there's no one in the world in that position I'd have swapped him for. He clearly loved the club and gave everything he had.
He's a Barca scumbag now though, hope he breaks his legs.
Ain't gonna boo him, ain't gonna cheer him. I just hope never to see the likes of him in our shirt again, but that is too much of an ask.
None of the above.
My main concern now is how we go about adapting to the loss of our creative fulcrum. But I don't want to go into that right now.
As far as Fabregas is concerned, I'll thank him for his service and wish him all the best.
It's onwards and upwards (or downwards) for Arsenal FC.
I liked this snippet from Le Grove
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I do sympathise with Wenger in a way. Only in the sense that he’s the rich geeky kid at school who announces a party on Facebook at his Dads mansion, that is well attended but as soon as the attendees have had drunk all the booze and eaten all the food they wreck the place and leave for the next bigger and better party.
When Wenger set up his master vision for project youth, he forgot a few things… Trophies and money. If you lure kids in on the promise of riches, don’t be surprised when they leave you for the same things. Don’t expect to command loyalty when disloyalty is the very first thing you encourage them to do.
is this the same first contract where he was on about £5.99 a week?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
he signed to contract because he liked the terms. simple as that.
and lol @ leave for free. to where? he wouldnt have got a regular game at any big club before 2008.
Cesc conference on SSN now.
Indifferent at him leaving. IMO, like AW, he has tarnished the reputation he built with Gooners over his first 6 years with his agitation to leave for the past 2 years - during which 2 year period he has played nowhere near his true potential.
Being 'professional' is never enough when your head is elsewhere - and Fabregas has looked every inch the Barca player for a year now - the nadir being the Barca 2nd leg last season.
Unmerited or not, Fabregas embodies everything that's wrong about AFC these days. A player loyal to the manager not the club; a brilliant technical player but not a leader; and a player that sees our club as a stepping stone not a destination.
I don't care whether players feel that they have to go elsewhere to acheive things, and the club is certainly not exonerated in this respect, but the bottom line is that I want to see players who are proud to play for my club, not players who feel they are too good for it.
The saddest thing is we sold him for less than what liverpool paid for Andy Carroll.
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Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
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Originally Posted by The Realist
It strikes me that Fabregas is one of the least guilty in this regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
But regardless of that, how do you instill pride in player?
A player feels pride in representing a club if that club represents something the player identifies with. History, core values, success or personal feeling (i.e. they support they club).
All four of things apply to Barcelona for Cesc (although it's more about perceived core values than actual values).
For us, we have history, though not as illustrious as the biggest clubs.
We have core values, though these are too nebulous to sell a player on.
We have success, but not recent enough to convince anyone we are a destination club.
And there are professional players who claim to be fans, though this is too small a pool to effectively recruit from. Instead we have bought young and hoped that faith would be repaid by loyalty.
You see, FoL, this is what I will continue to argue. We NEED players who want to play for Arsenal, who have been fans of Arsenal. If this equates to more Englishmen, then so be it. At least we won't see that formulaic bullsh!t we saw at Newcastle which was just a cut and paste of any limp performance last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
There are, of course, exceptions to the rule. Ashley Cole hanging Arsenal out to dry despite being a "fan". Dennis Bergkamp with an unwavering loyalty to the club despite being dropped by Wenger countless times in the 2000/01 season.
However, there is an emotional attachment that keeps English players close to their clubs and, more importantly, stops other clubs (be they English or forign) from trying to poach these players.
Now I am really admiring TH14's professionalism when he left us.
And consider that he really did give his best to Arsenal not just by
saying it, but by carrying the team to so many glories.
While looking at Cesc now, he is just disappointing. Like many other has said,
why couldn't we squeeze more money out from his sale. This is pathetic.
I bear Fabregas no ill will. It was ultimately Arsenal that let Fabregas down rather than Fabregas letting Arsenal down.
Bullshit.
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Originally Posted by bignev
Bullshit.
The level of debate on here is definitely getting better.
Bullshit.
Lol.
Really don't get the Cesc hating on here.
If you guys were proper competing for and winning stuff it'd make it easier for Cesc & other players to stay. The fact that your manager prefers to spend big on kids and not experienced players makes it easier for players to think "fuck this, i'm off". The fans are frustrated like mad so it's reasonable to assume some of the players will be as or even more frustrated.
A few of your ex-players have been saying that you need to add some proper quality to the squad and it is this lack of quality that has resulted in players wanting to go elsewhere.The team's outlook comes from the manager and your manager has shown a stunning lack of ambition which over the years has resulted in your club taking steady steps backwards. In such a scenario, it's only a matter of time before the quality players in the squad think what the hell am i doing here when i could be elsewhere winning stuff.
We did add the likes of Chamakh, Squillaci and Carl Jenkinson you know. And also the imminent signing of Marvin Martin will only underline our ambition to be the premier side in world football!Quote:
Originally Posted by StamfordBrdige
My problem is not Cesc wanting to go to the Club of his dreams. My problem with him is how he and his bumchums engineered the move.
Jenkinson's a good player, at least when compared to what else we have in defence. Old school, direct, hard, no fuss, exactly what we need. If Sagna doesn't improve 100% he should be dropped in favour of this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by FakeYank
That is indeed sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Realist
For Liverpool.
Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by StamfordBrdige
I think even if we'd won more trophies in his time at the club, he'd have still wanted to leave.....he wasn't leaving for more money or leaving because of our lack of ambition (although no-one could fault him doing that), he left because Barca is his club, and he wants to be part of a side that is at the peak of world football and I defy anyone in his position not to desire that. He is a Catalan who is returning home, and his comments about the Arsenal manager and the club and it's supporters I believe were genuine and heartfelt. So I bare him no ill will at all, and anyone who believed he would have stayed with us for life were only deluding themselves.....not because we are not big enough, but because we are not Barcelona and it was always his desire I suspect even from the time he joined us to return there one day.
He was always going to leave. However I think if we had been a bit more competitive he would have stayed at least another couple of years. Let's face it he won't walk into the Barcelona side, he probably would have waited until Xavi was a little bit older before moving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
As it happens we didn't learn from Henry leaving i.e. he was by far the best player in the team and we weren't trying hard to improve so he left. Same with Fabregas. Next year it will probably be RVP unless we sort ourselves out. I'm not going to hold my breath though.........
you can see my comments on Cesc thorughout in the Cesc thread, however i must admit his comments today were exceptional and he leaves with his head held up high.
wenger never gave the guy the best players to take advantage of his talent
I'm surprised he stayed as long as he did.
Last summer's business of Chamakh, Squilacci and Koscielny plus Almunia not being replaced would have been the final straw.
We should have built a team around him but we didn't.
Tbf, Koscielny is a rather good defender and Chamakh was fantastic for 4 months, didn't work out for him after that but it wasn't a bad summer, certainly not as bad as some seem to think.
You won't last long around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Compared with the rest of our defenders - yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Compared to all centre backs in the top four teams - no, not by a long way.
Absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Squillaci was the only poor one really. He's got a ton of top level experience, he just struggled in this league.