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Chill with that talk, boysQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Whats that my dear?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHZFYpQ6nc
Im a little underwhelmed at the moment, I was genuinely expecting a massive signal of intent from the club with a couple of £20m signings.
But the more I have time to let it all sink in, the more I am coming round to the idea of it not being quite so bad.
Mertesacker is a good buy along with Santos. Im looking forward to seeing what Cream of sum yung gai can do, and I reckon Arteta could turn out to be a quality buy. He hasnt been the player he was when he first turned up at Everton, but it could be the case that he was stagnating there and he may try and up his game now he's here.
Yossi Im really not sure what to make of, but at least its another experienced squad player to have.
The main thing is we now have experienced players in the team, one an international captain, one a confederations cup winner, plenty of leadership and hopefully the spirit and mentality of winners. Im particularly looking forward to seeing Per drag the fucking pussies weve got in the team up on their feet and tell them, in no uncertain terms, to fucking grow a pair and fight to win every game!!!
All in all, not a bad couple of days business tbh.
Gervinho - hasn't looked anything special from the little he's played. Juries outJenkinson - shit but expected from a 5th rate playerAOC - :lol:Park - underwhelming signing when someone of genuine quality was needed. Santos - Good attacking wise, we'll see how he goes on defensively. Not my first choice for a LB but let's see how he doesMertesacker - Quality CB. Exactly what we need. Not the fastest but played in the right way and he's awesome.Benayoun - shiteArteta - never rated him highly when he was at his best and he's nowhere near that atm and at 29 its unlikely he'll reach his best again. Overall these signings won't win us any trophies but they saved the club and the board money and that's all that matters tbh.
Only care for the Mertesacker and Gervinho signings really. We will see what Santos is capable of... Arteta, Benayoun, Park etc...typical signings. They will do enough to keep us in the top 4 but thats about it.
Wenger still needs to go, along with the rest of the people in charge. I cant help but notice the tidy profit made this summer. It will be interesting to see where the rest of the cash goes.
We are now so reliant on injury prone players, I really wanted a real goal scoring striker, not the Park fool, Arteta is good, player but the last two seasons he's picked up injuires, when Gervinho goes to the ANC, will Yossi even be fit, and what about Song, we can't rely on Frimpong, and Coquelin at the crucial point of the season.
I'm really not sure what we have at the moment, Wenger really mismanaged things this summer.
perhaps some jan signings will be made when gerv and chams (shams) go off to the aconQuote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Honestly I don't really have any qualms with these signings other than Park and Yossi, it's actually a decent team. But a team like this that really doesn't have supreme talent in key spots, needs a manager to really do a great job of coaching em' up.
And that's the problem, Wenger can't coach anybody up, I think we can all it see now, that it was all on the players in the Invincible era.
Park will be ok, he's the south korea captain and will work his arse off for the team.
Lets just wait and see before we write hm off.
Like a lot of people here, I’m pretty under whelmed. It’s a difficult one really, if you’d handed me that list of In’s and Out’s at the beginning of June I’d have said that’s a stinker of a transfer window! But seeing how weak our squad was on Sunday the last couple of days have seen a big improvement.
Overall, we’re probably a little weaker than we were last season, and we weren’t good enough then! But as Coney and Letters said, let’s wait and see how these new guys bed in over the next couple of months then we can really start to judge where we’re at.
Fairly underwhelmed with the signings. Happy with Mertesacker and Arteta but those should have been in addition to a couple 20M pound signings, not the main additions.
Don't know much about Santos.
Park is a reasonable buy (judging by reports on him, stats and some YT stuff) but he's not going to make a difference in our season imo. Obviously he's better than that waste of space Chamakh.
imo:
Gervinho < Nasri
Arteta < Fabregas
Santos = Clichy
Jenkinson > Eboue
Park = Bendtner
Benayoun > Vela
Mertesacker > (Djourou + Squillaci + Koscielny + Miquel)
We've weakened the first team a fair bit but on the other hand made the squad stronger. I think Benayoun will either be fucking brilliant or complete shite, hopefully the former. At least we now have a squad where we can attempt to compete for top 4, rather than before where we had no chance at all, but a disappointing summer on the whole yet again given that we banked 20M and really should have added some top quality to the lineup.
Also, and this is probably more of a general musing than a reaction to this specific transfer window, but personally I can’t shake the feeling we’re moving sideways (if not in slight decline) season after season whilst others around us continue to get stronger. It appears (and has done for years with our January transfer spending pattern) that we’re only really willing to spend some big money when finishing outside of the top four is a real possibility. Whether that’s down to AW or the board I don’t know, probably a bit of both, but I just get the feeling that the club as whole is content to just “challenge” for the cups and get champions league football each year.
It’s just so frustrating that the last few summers have mainly seen us replace keys players that we’ve lost with players who have ‘potential’ or aren’t quite as good as the players we lost. Season after season we’re in transition instead of improving on an already strong squad.
We are seeing a complete transition close to 24 players sold and loaned from first team and reserves together. We have brought solidity,experience & work ethic and failed to replace the two match winners whom we lost (may be with the exception of Gervinho). The situation in defence has not improved either. We have bought a good defender, but not sure if can organize defense. My opinion is we will be good at the back if Vermalen plays along with Per or Koscielny. I desperately hope that I'am wrong and Per is an organizer. The Korean may not be exciting but he looks an improvement on Chamakh and DB52. Arteta is good passer and will be strater, played regularly last season and didn't look the player he once was though not poor. Benayoun is one of the underrated players and can be a handfull in the final third, but he has been injured for a while. Santos amongst all might be the most exciting signing skillfull, pacy, agressive and good on one on ones. Not sure about other defensive qualities. We'l wait and watch, good chance of finishing top 4 hope the team shows some spirit
If these players signal the start of a move away from tippy tappy shite, or at least provide a bit of variation from it, then I think we can do well.
We just have to wait and see really, this turnover of players is unprecedented under Wenger and he can't really expect them all to be as tuned as the likes of Cesc were at this style of play, especially as none of them are kids who can still be moulded. They are experienced players and should be played in the right system to their strengths.
Some good business IMO, but way too late in the day. Some of the damage that has been done is nothing short of disgraceful, and from board down to manager, I'm thoughroughly pissed off with the laughing stock they've made of our club. So much so, that until they prove to me that the fans actually do matter, and that Arsenal Football Club and it's history matters more than anything else, I won't be attending any matches. They can fuck right off...I'll support the players on the pitch from afar.
As far as transfers go....
We wanted experience, premier league experience, international experience....and we've got it. These are all players that will do a job. Let's not forget the abundent talent of youth we have to blend in with that. It's what we've been calling for, for ages. And we've got it.
Yes, the names aren't the "superstars" we all hoped for, but I don't want any more Nasri's or Cescs thank you. I want players that want to do a job for the club. People who care about matters on the pitch, and not just about "DNA" or "Money" or "Lesbian strap-on competitions".
Nice work. But far too late.
Underwhelmed tbh. It'll be a struggle to finish 4th this season.
Whilst still generally underwhelmed, having slept on it I don't think we've done too badly at all. We do seem to have addressed key deficiencies in the squad and whilst there were no world class "Marquee" signings we also haven't spent THAT much on fees or wages which leaves open the possibility of a January splurge (OK, realise this may be unrealistic based on previous windows but once Lille are out of the CL...)
Arteta
Obviously the most high profile signing, and is what we needed in terms of position, skills and experience. The fact that he took a wage cut speak volumes for his desire to play for us IMO. Maybe he hasn't shown the form recently of his early Everton days but that could be down to getting a bit stale and of course injuries. The latter being a bit of an issue with him but then Arsenal players don't really get injured very often...... Will get a fair few assists for us and takes a good set piece.
Benayoun
Initially a WTF moment but on reflection it could be a decent bit of business - he can spot a pass and has an eye for goal and as a squad player could do a job. Also, PL experienced and International captain. In his West Ham and early Liverpool days he reminded me a LITTLE bit of Pires. Also had his injury problems but it's only a loan after all.
Mertesacker
Pretty sure we've been crying out for a BIG defender and they don't get much bigger. Time will tell how he adapts to the PL but loads of experience and was club captain at a relatively young age. The fact Spurs didn't get Cahill also makes me a lot happier with Mertesacker.
Also, Vermaesacker has decent ring to it.
Chu Young Park
Don't know much about him but another international captain that runs all day, be happy on the bench, cheap so little risk... jury out but can't be worse than Chamakh and Bendtner
Andre Santos
Typical AW full back in that he's probably better going forward than defending but also experienced and considering its unlikely we'll change our tactics much he will get more assists than Clichy ever did whilst being good competition if Gibbs ever stays fit.
It's easy to be underwhelmed that they don't look like superstar signings, but they are solid experienced players which will add to the depth of the squad and help the younger players, which is basically what we were calling for.
It's not like we signed some conference players, there is serious experience there, internationals, captains, Champions league, World Cup, Euros, Copa America experience, players who have been there and done that, and have also won things.
I'll take that for now.
I see it as:Nasri-->Gervinho. I think Nasri being the better player but in the position he's required to play Gervinho will be more effective for us so an improvement.
Fabregas-->Wilshere. Obviously Fabegas has more experience and is the better player atm but I think Wilshere will fill the role well and become just as good. No improvement
Ramsey-->Arteta. Arteta will bring in skill and a good passing range and also take some burden off Wilshere. Improvement
Clichy-->Santos. Looks great going forward but unknown how he is defensively. Should certainly improve end product down the left and add some flair. Clichy wasn't great defensively either so imrpovement.
Squillaci-->Mertsacker. Improvement can't be anything other than and brings height and vast exerience.
Bendtner-->Park. Looks skilful, quick and a hard worker. Improvement
Eboue-->Jenkinson. Not as quick as Eboue but better crosser and more defensively mindeed. Improvement.
If Santos can cross a ball and Young can head a ball then we've at least solved one problem that has been killing us.
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Originally Posted by toothless gibbon
:good: I'll go along with that.
I know it's the cool thing on Arsenal Forums to say how shiit Eboue is, but this is one of the stupidest things i've seen. Just please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
First XI is weaker IMHO, Squad is bigger but I question whether it's stronger....I dunno.
To Summarise...Central Defence is arguably stronger now that Per has joined, Santos is probably on par with Clichy, Central Midfield is weaker as Fabregas is a major upgrade on Arteta, wings are weaker as Nasri is an upgrade on Gervinho.
Squad wise, right back is weaker, Eboue is a major upgrade on Jenkinson at the moment, Yossi brings experience to Central Midfield & the wings, Frimpong looks like a great emerging talent so we have quite good depth in Central Midfield now, Oxo is a talent so brings a bit of quality to the wings, upfront Park IMHO is at least comparable...maybe even an upgrade on Bendy.
Overall I think we've had quite a poor window but I'll reserve judgement on the new signings until I see them in action.
I feel extremely underwhelmed.
Do we need direct replacements fro cesc/nasri? I think we need a total new direction. We wanted pl experience. Well we have it in midfield now. We also have a no nonsense defender, something we have been lacking for the last couple of seasons. Swansea is the start of the season. Ping Pong will be back(?) Gerry and Song still out. Definate start for arteta there and maybe Joshi. As long as Wenger adjusts the tactics to suit the new players, he may havce struck gold.
Well we have direct replacements for Cesc & Nasri in Arteta & Benayoun, they are both inferior versions of Cesc & Nasri IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edinburgh Gooner
If we wanted a new direction we would have broken the bank for M'Vila or somebody like that.
Like you say we've added PL experience which is obviously a good thing though I would have personally added it at the back too so we have a core of PL experience running right through the team.
I think if all the new signings gel we can make top 4, but as I see it 4th & decent-ish domestic cup runs is the best we can hope for.
They are inferior to Cesc / Nasri for sure, but that doesn't mean they won't be as effective in terms of their contribution. I.e. Arteta isn't as good as Cesc, but he can still create
Given that BENAYOOOOOOON MAN has been given the squad number 30, it's safe to say he's going to be a bit-part player / sub most of the time
The main thing was to get organised. Nasri made no difference in the run in last year, and we fell apart because we had no leadership, no experience and a bad attitude.
The team may not have the "wow" factor of Cesc and Nasri. But we would all have settled for an organised and efficient team ethos from January in order to grind out the results needed.
At the end of the day, Cesc and Nasri were part and parcel of our downfall last year, and just as much to blame as anybody else.
I don't care that they have gone. All I care about, is getting 11 players on the pitch who will battle, and work as a unit. We still have an abundence of attacking talent, and we will have the ability to score goals, and stand up to anyone....but only if the attitude is right.
These signings will help that. And I'll forsake the "wow" factor for a bit of that thanks. Just hope Wenger plays to their strengths, and doesn't persist with playing players out of position.
Sure, point taken, also with LDG's post too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironing
If they can create and graft then they'll definitely add quality to the team.
Cesc was a liability last season. As long as arteta doesn't backheel the ball to opponents, it's all good.
If he stays fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
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Originally Posted by Save me Jeebus!
Yeah right.
I'm happy with the fact we've signed so many players, it will give those that are already here the kick up the anus they need. (Arshavin, Rosicky, Koscilny..)
A Mertesacker/Vermaelen CB partnership excites me. Sol never had much pace but the little and large of Toure/Sol won us many trophies so it could work again.
All in all the signings give us a huge strength in depth we havent had for ages which is great- The season starts now....
From what I remember Sol was pretty quick, even in his last stint with us, but obviously not Theo-esque or anything on that level. He's built like Christian Vieri, someone so beastly couldn't be pacy forever.
Campbell was always very quick, not only was he a great defender as well but his speed allowed him to get back at attackers even if past him.
Mertesacker has no pace at all and from what has been written he's not much of a leader either.
They wanted to call him Motorsacker, but then they realised he was slower than a tortoise in slow motion.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...s-arrival.htmlQuote:
Djourou insisted: "I can assure you I was able to sleep after the defeat. My morale is good and I have a smile on my face.
"It was everybody's fault. We were not good and Manchester United were a class above us.
"Mertesacker's arrival may mean direct competition for me.
"But I am used to it — it does not frighten me."
Good to see the lad is in high spirits after his shocking non-performance that he apparently takes no personal responsibility for. Let's just hope Mertesacker stays fit, eh? Barge or not you have to assume he has bags more character than JD.
Mertesacker isnt the quickest. We all know that.
Hes a bloody good defender though and thats all that matters
That's a matter of opinion, never thought he was that good there's a few others who've said the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Well hes been awesome at the highest level for a number of years.
Everyone saw how good he was at the last 2 World Cups and 08 Euros
Hit a bit of a rut at Bremen but Cesc did the same here and no one would say hes shit. Cunt yes, shit no
Great post, Jezza.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Exactly, plus if the guys around him are organised (and hopefully he'll help with that on the pitch) then it's not that big a deal, Terry is pretty slow these days but still a damn good defender and despite our higher line the players around account for the success of a defence as well as the personnel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Terry has a free pass to kick the shit out of anyone he wants. Merts will get a red card for defending like Terry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela