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yes because it was a derby, we were winning with 2 minutes to go and drew. that hurt more, with united, i didnt expect us to really get anything from the game and just being stupidly optimistic in believing we would, hence why it hurt lessQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Nothing more needs to be saidQuote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
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Originally Posted by Ach
good argument.
Buttsecks hurts quite a lot.
Dont really see what else can be said about someone who would rather lose 8-2 than draw 4-4Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
have you looked at my reasons why i said it hurt less?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
@ Ollie - I can see your point, mate.
8-2 was humiliating, but with a Manure on fire and us limping badly after losing our 2 best players; our collapse last season and getting a single point out of Newcastle and Liverpool - we were all expecting to lose away, and to lose well.
Home to Spurs last season and the season before we were at full strength and on fire...then pissed it away right at the end. In terms of being gutted (as opposed to ashamed and humiliated), I see right where you are coming from.
i felt more humilated by the 4-4, partly it might be due to the fact i was there and for most the game, we had been giving it large, abusing the scum etc etc, and to have that taken from us and see them celebrating, made me feel sick. we were always behind with united, and although i hoped we might get something, from the first goal, i was not expecting muhQuote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
what about losing to Spurs at the emirates last season???Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Quite. That was absolutely horrific...especially as we played one of the best halves of football I've seen us play first half, and Spurs weren't even that in the second half!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flavs
I'm never shocked by our ability to throw away leads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flavs
Condeding 8 goals was worse, not many sides conceded that many goals in one match, the fact we're a big club and have is just plain embarrassing to be honest and really reflects badly on the manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
Given that we concede 2+ goal leads with regularity and haven't conceded 8 since the 1800s, I'd say the Man U result was the bigger shock.
Not sure I agree. While 8 by manu was more than I'd expected, being beaten was no surprise and by a decent margin was also a good possibility, given the state of the team. I still think throwing away a 4-0 lead against Newcastle was the bigger surprise and for me the sign of just how bad we were in terms of resiliance. It is the reason why I think that the transfers we did - albeit rushed through - I think will have a bigger impact than a lot of people realise. Cesc was a great player but I don't think he was a good leader and not the person to pick up the team. The presence of the likes of Arteta and Mertesacker along with Vermaelen when he gets back will be good assistance for RvP's leadership and put a spine in the team, allowing the talents of the other players to have a chance to shine - we will see if they take up that chance as the season progresses.
We should have had 3 points at Newcastle last year and rubbed Pardews face in it. We expected to lose at manu and losing away to a top4 side is no disgrace, though the margin this time was embarrassing. It was the games against the middle and mediocre sides where we failed to perform that have cost us places and titles, not the odd drubbing against a top4 team.
I think the biggest shock was certainly the United game, not just because of the scorline itself, but the fact it could so easily have been 10+ and that wouldn't have flattered United at all.
To be honest not a lot shocks me about this team anymore, but just when you think they've hit the lowest of lows, they go and pull another rabbit out of the hat.
Oh - I thought it was a squirrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I think the 6-1 loss to Man U was the most shocking result due to the reasons given earlier; but that 8-2 perfomance (which should have ended +10) was def the most humilating thing i' ve ever seen in top european footballing competition- if i had the powers i'd relegate a team soley on that.
Maybe we did expect to lose (I'd argue this shouldn't be the case and that we should be at a level where we'd feel we're capable of winning), however for a top club to lose 8-2 to any club is a disgrace, that's why you very seldomly see it because top teams just don't get beaten by margins like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coney
Like has been said you have to look back to the 1800's to see us conceding 8 goals, that says plenty for me.
Some of the other results have also been awful, the 4-4 being one of them, but this is just another low in a string of lows.
Frankly some of the results in the last year or so (and before that) are sackable offences, Wenger is lucky money is all that counts at Arsenal or he'd have been out of a job a long time ago and rightly so.
Thats just it were not a top club not any more, just because we called Arsenal means nout if you don't back it up. Loosing 8-2 was bad because like someone said it could have been 15-2 that game. and the way AW set the team out to get beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I suppose a loss is a loss tbh, at least it made wenger act, because loosing 2-1 would have done nothing to the club but let them think eveything is fine.
Historically we are a big club, just because AW is a small time manager and we have a narrow minded board it doesn't change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Even if we weren't, how many clubs concede 8 or more goals in one match? It's only happened 2 other times since the Premiership was formed and both teams who did got relegated which says a lot. The single most humiliating moment as an Arsenal supporter for me, I'm pretty sure you won't see it repeated by any manager that replaces Wenger either.
It was a scandalous result and he should have been sacked on the spot IMO, sure he made a few signings but they do stink of desperation. We really need to finally bring in some top quality players who could be around for a number of years (just like Sol Campbell, he was 26 when we signed him so had plenty of years left), not really sure we've done that at all.
Wigan lost 8-0 and didn't get relegated. Comfort for us there. :d
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Oh how the mighty have fallen...
True though I don't think we'll get relegated :dQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
It just puts that result in perspective, results like this only happen to the worst teams they don't happen to big clubs. Last time we conceded 8 was in the 1800's after all, when football was basically pub level football.
so lets see...
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It has been said recently that Coyle and his coaches do not work on shape or defensive drills. They let players go out and express themselves, Keeganesque style.
It's all very well picking attacking lineups and we probably have to accept that we are going to concede goals sometimes. But nobody can tell me the defensive side of our game is well organised or drilled. The back four are a shambles and yes they don't always get protection but equally they let in soft goals unrelated to midfield protection and increasingly are making silly mistakes.
We've played good sides but even against QPR first half our back four almost contrived to hand them goals a couple of times.
To use a Coyle phrase, accepting that our back four will sometimes be exposed, I still think we are conceding a lot of goals when actually our midfield are back and covering and it's just slack play from the defence.
So should we get a coach in to drill the back four and team in general on how to organise themselves when we haven't got the ball?
so this is the guy you want yes? literally a poor mans wenger with all the same failings only worse.Quote:
"This was always going to happen with the fixtures we have started off with. What's worring me though, Coyle is so stubborn with 4-4-2 and tactically naive and he isn't learning from it. The midfield yesterday was Eagles, Petrov, M Davies and Reo Coker. Only one of those can bloody tackle. This is against a team who have just scored 8 against Arsenal. Coyle was expecting Reo Coker to be the only defensive midfielder in that team, protecting Cahill and frigging Zat Knight. He isn't the best player in the world, but I don't understand why Muamba was on the bench. We need players in that centre midfield against a team of United's class with a bit of steel and fight and who could put a tackle in. M Davies can't do that. He did nothing to change it. 3 nil at half time and he carries on with the same team until the 60th minute. Seriously what the f**k. He's pissing me right off. We've rolled over with no fight in the last 2 games. We've lost 8 of the last 9 league matches. If it was still a certain ginger haired manager in charge at this minute we'd be wanting him out. He's got a lot of work to do has Coyle" - Mad Joosa.
muppets.
Tbf, we have no reason to think that Bolton fans are any more sane when they're online than Arsenal fans, could be that Coyle practices them regularly but one guy says otherwise so the bandwagon jumping begins.
Anyway, he needs to prove himself at Bolton before he's given a shot at a big club, when Wenger leaves we'll be able to get someone better than Coyle.
LOL - change the players' names, 4-42 to 4-5-1, and those quoted posts could be from here, about Wenger!Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Bravo. :clap:
Tis the same as last season but with greater extremes. I just hope we dont do the same this year as last year, i dont think my nerves could take thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
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Originally Posted by BOBN
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
You don't think we have the maddest fools on the internet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Dear God the world really is in trouble.
think that one hurt more then 8-2
can i just ask where the owen coyle brigade are now?
Don't know about Owen Coyle, but I kinda wish the David Moyes brigade'd do one as well. He's probably the only manager other than Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho and Warnock who openly and vociferously complains against officialdom. At the moment, it can be swept under the carpet as he's the gaffer at Everton, a club who have been out of the spotlight for a good 25 years.
At the Arsenal, he'd be truly under the microscope. We know only too well that if you keep trying to undermine refs and linesmen (or women), you're rubbing up the wrong people in the wrong way. (The Phil Dowd Show at St James' Park last season, way too much of a coincidence, no?)
They aren't trying to undermine them. They are trying to point out that the refereeing needs to improve. If the refs also want what is best for the game, they would not feel undermined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernesto
I voted for OC in this thread but I am not on his brigade. In fact, I do not think anyone ever suggested (or I havent read about it) on GW that OC be the next Arsenal manager. The OP started this thread to see how far AW has regressed rather than how awesome OC is as a manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Tbh, I'd still take OC over AW any fuckin day... in fact, at present, I'd take a donkey with Alzheimer's over AW. Just because we won 3-0 at home against Bolton does not change the gross mismanagement AW has done over the last 5-6 seasons.
you would have a manger who has lost all games this season bar one, conceding something like 16 goals over wenger this season? really?Quote:
Originally Posted by FakeYank
Ignore him, he's trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Well, you clearly missed the part where I mentioned AW fuckin us over for 5-6 seasons so please do away with the stats of 7 games this season.. thats really clutching on to straws! If it was just this season, I'd give the old fart a chance but he has been fuckin over Arsenal for a long time now. And let me reiterate since I probably didnt make myself clear in my previous post... If AW were to be fired tomorrow, I'd prefer some other manager than OC but atm, I'd take a donkey with alzheimer's over AW and I do rate OC more than a donkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Yes, I am..Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm