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one for club and and another for country so far.........Cahill should have been bought because they would have sold.........OK try the cheeky 6 million bid but dont not follow it up.......we have got the fucking money, what is Wengers problem?does he want to get sacked.........because Jan is going to be aboy 3-4 months too late
Jags......even Samba would have been better.......fuck Dann would have been
players always need time to bed in, top players too, esp bought during the season, they need to learn each others game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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We have the worst defence in the league by a mile
add to that we have the least commited defence in the league.........combine poor defending with no desire, bottle and teams are going to be itching to play us........all of those players could have been ours if we stumped up
Verms and Sagna are the only two I believe in and Sagna is less for his defence but the fact that he seems to want to play for us........Merts will be better with Verms but I think he was the cheaper option, he found today what it is like to play against so called lower class teams but I dont think I have the right to term other teams as lower level anymore
Samba ended up as my last option when he went off the radar over the summer and it looked more likely we were in for Jags and then later again Cahill but he would have been a better option by a mile than Kos.......but would he want to come after we have walked away from him twice now.
Wenger has got till January to work with what he has because there aint no more buying but I would be surprised to still see him around if he continues to this system which he doesnt have the players to play in.
just watched the highlights of Stoke Liverpool and can someone tell me why we cant defend like them?
I remember Samba last year for Blackburn keeping us out by himself.......there is no do or die......I dont doubt Kos wants to play well, you can see he wants to play well......he just is a liability.......fucking Johan cant play well fullstop whther he wants to or not.....neither are PL class and need to be sold or taken round the back and shot......and their disapperance covered up as a lovers tif or something......they both look like a couple of irons so it would be believable..........stick Song at the back and go to 442
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Not sure why people go on about Samba he is terrible. Cahill was a must get though, now we have no chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
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Samba is quality and we should have got him in
We signed him off the back of 28 odd games in top level football - at 26 years old. You had to wonder why bar one season he hadn't played a minute in a top league.
Another in a long list of inspired decisions, as was shipping Bartley out on another pointless season long loan, when he looked better than 75% of our senior centre backs.
TBF to the lad he was never bought to be 1st choice it was meant to be TV 5 and JD. his confidence must be shots to bits though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gubby Allen
Maybe. It actually wouldn't surprise me if Squillaci was bought to be the CB alongside Vermalaen,Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Either way, with our track record of injuries signing a 1st choice of back-up is effectively signing them to be a first choice player as you can guarantee one of the two ahead of him, if not both will get crocked in training & out for 6 weeks after a nasty incident of a conker falling off a tree on the other side of the field.
I can see the future, said yesterday he was a bit shit, and he proved me right. Thanks a bunch KosQuote:
Originally Posted by alexander
Dreadful performance today, on the back of a half decent one in mid week.
Sums him up really, no consistency at all. However he's not the only one that could be said for.
Thing you mean thanks alot Arsene, he put all that pressure on him today it made the spotlight be on him when it need not beQuote:
Originally Posted by alexander
Koscielny has been mismanaged like Vermaelen before him like Wilshere..like, like, like...
At 26 a defender has to stand on his own two feet, people make excuses about him needing Vermaelen to play well and that it's not his fault, this isn't kindergarten, he shouldn't need a nanny FFS if he can't defend he shouldn't be at the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
There's no excuses for this guy, even if he was 3rd choice he isn't good enough, who wants an error prone backup anyway, for some odd reason people reel out the excuses for him and yet since he arrived he's been a calamity, in truth not much between him and Squillaci, they cost us just as many goals.
This was predictable, a nobody when he arrived and it's been proven he's not up to football of this level, the amount of errors he makes is unacceptable for a CB playing in the Premier League, he's suited to lower level football nothing more.
It's AW fault he bought him, but the errors are down to Koscielny not being good enough end of.
i was talking about the interview aw did about him being good, saying its aw's fault he is not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
That own goal by Koscielny, absolutely criminal.
Chesney must hate him with a passion lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Watched MOTD. Felt sorry for him after the OG. Yes he's shit but you could see on his face that hurt to score an OG.Just fuck off Wenger
Yeah you can feel sorry for them, but these guys get at least 50-60k a week. My sympathy disappears pretty quickly when I think of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
That own goal was just so casual and awful, if he was focussed he'd have never scored it.
Yep because Wenger told him to put it past Chesney must have missed that conversation. Feck feeling sorry for him he's a 26 year old man not a 18 year old kid on his debut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
And thats your problem because, not sure why it bothers you how much they get paid its not like it comes out of your pocket, if arsenal want to wwaste money more fool them i sayQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Well why should we feel sorry for them, they have a much better life than most people....I'll save my sympathy for people who deserve it thanks, those with little or nothing to live on or those with real problems, this chump isn't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
never asked that i asked why it bothers you how much they get paid, footabllers are overpaid over all anyway makes no diffrence who they play for. you act like the money comes out your pocket. Never said you should feel for them at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Doesn't bother me per say, just don't feel any sympathy for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
You go on like we should treat them like kids who need a nanny and make excuses for them all the time, I don't. They're here to do a job and get paid handsomely for it, if they don't perform I'll come down on them like a tonne of bricks for not doing their job well enough.
where have i said treat them like kids you fool, id never make excuses for something i though was wrong. i know they need to do a job but unlike some not bothered by how much they get paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
as long as they put in the effort and show me they want to play ill be happy.
You do treat them like kids with all these excuses, it's just forgiving they're mistakes for one reason or another, if experienced players can't perform they take the blame end of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Moreover effort is hardly something we see a lot of in our team.
Bollox why would i treat a 26 year old man like a kid i know my mind better then you thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Obviously not :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...y-how-arsenalsQuote:
It is not so long ago that Laurent Koscielny had the irrepressible Barcelona ace Lionel Messi in his pocket but now the Arsenal defender is not even up to keeping Blackburn Rovers' Junior Hoilett at bay.
The Frenchman excelled for the Gunners when Messi and his Barcelona colleagues headed to the Emirates in the Champions League last season and won rave reviews for a commanding performance at the heart of Arsene Wenger’s defence in a 2-1 victory over a side destined to be crowned European champions.
However, fast-forward just seven months and the central defender who stifled the likes of Messi and David Villa on that memorable night in London now looks like a player who would struggle to get into a mid-table Championship side rather than one competing in the Champions League.
He was hailed as Arsenal’s best defender when his team chalked up their first ever win over Barcelona, but in the 4-3 defeat at Blackburn on Saturday he not only scored the own-goal that ultimately decided the outcome of an error-strewn game but looked like a liability for a side who have won just three of their last 16 Premier League games.
In the final analysis he was at fault for three Blackburn goals and looked like a player who is brutally out of his depth – even when the hapless Johan Djourou entered the fray as a second-half substitute.
The official Arsenal website describes Koscielny, who joined Arsenal from French side Lorient last year in a deal reportedly worth Ł8.5m, “as a quick-thinking centre-back who reads the game exceptionally well” but that glowing assessment could not have been further from the truth if his personal performance in Lancashire was anything to go by.
For this observer, it was difficult not to feel sympathy for Koscielny because the 26-year-old is so short on confidence he played like someone who has been paralysed by fear. For some his goalmouth gaffes were the source of much mirth; for others they were a cause for consternation.
“They have got the worst goal difference in the Premier League, which doesn’t sound right, but when you see some of their defending it really was quite shocking at times,” Match of the Day pundit Alan Shearer said.
“For the whole of the back four and even the goalkeeper at times it was incredibly poor.”
For Wenger, though, this is an issue that he needs to treat as a priority when he gets into work on Monday morning because with Thomas Vermaelen currently out injured he needs Koscielny to regain focus and self-confidence because hesitation can be critical, especially at set-plays, and is undoing all the good work Arsenal accomplish as an attacking unit.
Both focus and self-assurance deserted Koscielny at Ewood Park where his lack of concentration proved so costly at set-pieces, and Wenger must address psychological issues by working on the practice ground on his nascent partnership with Per Mertesacker because the pair played like strangers against Blackburn.
It can’t have helped Koscielny that Wenger has had to keep chopping and changing his defence since he arrived at the Emirates, but now the lines of communication between the pair have to be improved by Wenger and his coaching staff, such as Pat Rice, as a matter of urgency. Otherwise everything his team do will be built on sand.
What could go wrong did go wrong. Still looks shaky and his own goal summed up a poor performance from a player who looks ill suited to the cut and thrust of English football. Rabbit in headlights.
There is hope, though, for Gooners because the endeavours of the Invincibles side that went through the 2003-04 season without being beaten with Sol Campbell and Kolo Toure in central defence showed that the French manager does know what he is doing when it comes to the fine art of defending. Now he needs to remember how he did it so Arsenal can recover from their worst start to a league campaign in 58 years.
As well as the mind games, Wenger also has to re-think his strategy, because their attacking formation at Blackburn left his defence vulnerable and now he must surely be looking to deploy Alex Song and Emmanuel Frimpong as a two-man midfield shield in front of his defence and sacrifice an element of flair because his team need to become hard to beat again rather than being pushovers.
At Ewood Park, Wenger acknowledged that a lack of confidence was undermining his team but Koscielny looks to be the worst affected.
“We made mistakes and especially on set-pieces you can not make the mistakes we made,” Wenger said. “It is very difficult to accept that you lose a game when you have so much domination and create so many chances. It is basically unbelievable.
“For the second, third and fourth goals we were guilty of making basic errors. What can you do about it? You have to focus on the next game. You could see that the confidence in our defenders has gone a bit and we need to find it again. I hope it is not a slow, long re-building process because we have the potential to do well. It is important we get our confidence back quickly.”
Former Arsenal and England defender Kenny Sansom believes Wenger should promote youth team coach and former Gunners centre-half Steve Bould to first-team duties.
“It is clear there is a problem defensively at Arsenal and that is going to cause more problems because opponents are going to try to expose that,” Sansom said. “You have to teach the defenders how to talk to each other. Communication is massive, especially for the back four and goalkeeper.
“For me Stevie Bould was as good as Tony Adams as a player. He was very under-rated but Stevie should go in there two days a week and work with that back four on positioning, shape, communication so you know exactly where you are for 90 minutes and then you will have done your job.
“It is going to be a long, long season. There is no problem attacking-wise, we just have to sort out the defence. You can’t score three goals away from home and lose on a regular basis otherwise the club will have a tough season.”
For now, though, Premier League clubs will be queuing up to have a go at Arsenal and especially at the fretful Koscielny who still looks like someone who has gone away on holiday and realised he left the front door open.
There is much to admire about the Wenger philosophy and the way he encourages his teams to go about their business but the way they defend is embarrassing. It is time to go back to the drawing board to give the brittle Arsenal side some much-needed backbone.
Spot on article
Yes, but why are these "experts" only figuring out now that Kos and JD are shite? Trouble with these guys is they go from game to game, one minute a player is great, the next he's a joke. The media is not in the business of winning trophies, all they need to do is sell their rag from week to week so they don't need consistency, they don't need to pay attention to the long term. For an Arsenal manager though, spending Ł13mill quid on two average defenders to put in a team that is supposed to be challenging for major honours is only ever going to have one outcome. Failure. Anyone who cared to look could see Koscielny for what he is, a guy who genuinely gives it 100% but simply does not have the talent to play at this level. This was true last year just as it is today and the odd game where he excelled nowhere near compensates for the longer term damage the guy does to the team. Not damage done intentionally of course, but as a result of the fact he's just not good enough. In fact half our players shouldn't be anywhere near this league. 3 wins in 16 is not just about a lack of confidence. It's also about a lack of quality. The board has swapped quality on the pitch for profits on the books. Wenger has gone along with this, or maybe even driven it. We have Koscielny playing in our losing team because a few men want to be as rich as they possibly can be. The media should be saying more about this rather than torturing a player who probably knows himself he is out of his depth. Koscielny would not play badly for us on purpose and you can see he tries to give it his best all the time. However the board would certainly fuck us on purpose and that's exctaly what they have done. Too busy fighting with each other over cash and power to even notice we were going down the shitter. That's the real scandal and it's a disgrace the real villains hide in the shadows while an outgunned and investment starved team gets slaughtered on the pitch. At least Kos is not a coward.
You can't say we're investment starved when we went on a late night spending spree on deadline day. How much did we spend that night? Ł30m? How much have we spent in total?
Wenger had full confidence in Kosienly and I'd Vermaelen wasn't injured we'd have never bought Merts. That's Wener's decision. He brought in Kosienly when had an opportunity to buy a Prem proven player.
How much did we bank over the window? How much quality went out compared to what came in? If there's only one thing you can say with any confidence as an Arsenal fan these days, it's we are investment starved on the pitch. I agree about Merts, I don't think he'd be here if TV wasn't injured. Certainly Wenger is 100% to blame for the awful, awful decisions he's made with the defence. Whether he's to blame for not paying that extra few million for quality, we don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
This is my opinion on our summer spending spree:
Gervinho - Decent enough (not the best around obviously just good value), but lacks end product
Oxo - Lots of potential here, will be a very good player but I question spending the money we did on a player who won't be ready for a while....in a sense happy he signed, in another think we should have invested the money on top quality elsewhere
Arteta - Very good player, very talented, the only issue is his age ideally we'd have been looking at players in their mid 20's who are ready but will have quite a few years ahead of them so that we can build a team with them (bit of a panic buy IMO)
Mertersacker - Total panic buy, couldn't get who we wanted due to our incompetence so settled for this guy on the cheap, IMO nowhere near good enough
Benayoun - Another panic signing, hasn't done anything for a long time (was never that good anyway), was out with long term injury a joke of a signing IMO
Jenkinson - A kid with no experience, Wenger brought him into the team thinking he was good enough, but clearly at this stage he's nowhere near the right level (and who would expect him to be)
In short considering the quality we lost, a terrible transfer window once again...anyone competent would have never let this happen.
We shot ourselves in the foot. Wenger was content to go into the season with that weak squad but after that drumming and the injuries he was probably told to buck up his ideas or he'd be in serious trouble for the season. We couldn't bring in quality players because we left so late and nobody wants to sell their best player on deadline day. We played it wrong which is why we've ended up with the players we have now. If we'd have acted earlier, we could have bought Samba, Cahill or whoever else we should have bought. It just makes no sense to wrap up deals for young player like Oxo and Jenkinson so early and leave first team signing so late. I saw this coming from a mile off. As soon as Wenger benched Nasri, Clichy and Cesc towards the end of last season and lied to us by saying they were injured, I knew he had his eye on a Wilshere and Ramsey combo in the middle and Gibbs for left back. He was testing the waters as he always does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If he spend Ł13m on Oxo, another Ł10m on Arteta and still manage to pay Benayoun's wages, why couldn't we have found a younger central mid player that is better than these guys? It makes no sense to me. I've got problem with the signings and they could turn out to be gems, but one kid isn't ready, the other is injury prone and won't get many games and Arteta is approaching 30. He signed these players because he doesn't want them hogging the first team spot for long because he believes in Wilshere and Ramsey and that has always been the way he thinks when it comes to transfers.
I hope PHW the cheap cunt and Wenger are happy with turing us into a non competing selling club...look at the quality of players we have sold for various reasons in the last few season:
Cesc
Nasri
Ade
Hleb
Flamini
Diarra
Toure
Gallas
Clichy
Eduardo
Gilberto
Henry
Look what we have replaced these players with and ask yourself what these cunts care about...profit...fuck trophies and success.
We had no need to become a selling club, all that greedy cunt PHW had to do was allow that Russian billionaire and Dein to come back...so no i dont want to fucking hear about balancing the books when i have to pay Ł60 to watch a game of football with the shit we have.
Wenger - Out and take the board with you.
PS not to mention the fact that a so called great manager cannot fix a defence after 4 years....unbelievable
Look on the bright side.
After we've shifted Van Persie, we won't be a selling club anymore.
Of course we will Wilshere will be going to city for 60 mill well i say that, we say we ant 60 but sell him for 40 mill. With Aw claimin i had to let him go.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
It could be a frustration because we lost yesterday for all these reactions . But my opinion is we were very unlucky to lose . Coming to our poor defending the problem is not the players but the system . We attack as a team and it works but we don't defend as a team and we got caught up in counter-attact with 2 or 3 players only willing to defend and others watch like spectators . Thats our main problem .You could Arteta was gutted because he is used to defend like a team .
Yeah, these reactions are only born out of what happened yesterday.
Unlucky you say Ż\_(ツ)_/ŻQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
There was no bad lack involved sorry, just bad defending.