I know, that's what I meant as a curse. Wenger uses it to try and make the big players stay, but it doesn't work due to a lack of team investment/winning trophies, in that way it is like a curse :)
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I know, that's what I meant as a curse. Wenger uses it to try and make the big players stay, but it doesn't work due to a lack of team investment/winning trophies, in that way it is like a curse :)
:)
Annoys me he does it everytime. Vermy for me should have been cap'n, although, having said that, he's never fit, so I guess with the rvp situation, I'm struggling to think who else it could have been? We don't seem to have too many leaders these days, yet another issue with arsenal at the moment..
It's a sad indictment of a player's fitness when he's deemed less reliable than Van Persie.
Vermaelen :rose:
If he leaves can't blame him, why would any top player want to stay with the stuff that's been happening in the last few years, Wengers spirit and togetherness nonsense and his words about not wanting to kill the youngsters really do make him look like a total fool, his opinion that he can hold onto players he wants when he doesn't buy quality, doesn't address problems in the team and watching helplessly as his team collapse every season is misguided.
I blame Wenger for us not being able to hold onto anyone, he's the guy happy to put finances over success, he's the manager after all if he didn't believe in this policy he could try and do something about it.
fair - Joker - :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
nicked this from another forum, thought it had some pretty good points
Haven't been on here for a while. Last Sunday was particularly depressing as Spuds played as badly as they have all season and we still didn't give them a game at all. Bit of possession in midfield but we're all long enough enough in tooth not to be swayed by possession stats. But that will have been debated to death on here. What I wanted to talk about is RVP. Without doubt the best player in the team, the only world class talent (I'd probably put Verm and Sagna in there at a push), and our only goal threat. HOWEVER his contract's up when he's 30, and he'll be asking for a wage comparable to that that City would offer. Is he worth that as a 30 year old with a more-than-checkered injury record? I would also argue that he is far from the number 9 lone striker that Wenger plays him in. With Cesc and Nasri's departure, the quality he feeds off is greatly reduced, and there's no guarantee we'll be able to reproduce the quality Cesc provided him even if we did splurge a load of cash over the next 12 months. Obviously if money were no object, you'd give him whatever he wants and buy 'a Cesc' to provide the ammunition, but that clearly isn't an option. I think RVP has looked a little lost at times this year, largely to the incompotence of our midfield. But with his noises he made this week, and the fact that in my opinion Wenger will continue to play him slightly out of position, I would probably advise against a longish term £150k a week contract for a injury prone 30 year old. Hopefully that makes some sort of sense.Sensible comments welcome.
I could accept the loss of any player especially one that doesnt want to stay a la Nasbo, but I have not confidence in Wengers ability to replace the quality lost.
I would not like us to lose RvP if we think that 10 mil would be what it takes to replace him, however Kenny I hear what you are saying thay only Citeh can pay stupid money to a 30 year old, I dont think we have to go to such extremes to keep Robin but we will need to pay more and surround him with some talent
I personally think RVP is as good as gone. Arsene won't buy the quality required to keep our remaining top class players at the club & he certainly won't fight to keep RVP here by offering him a bumper contract IMHO.
I'm surprised that RvP seems to have survived international duty without one of his legs becoming detached from the rest of his body, must be a sign :wave:
One more game to go
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11670_7232219,00.htmlQuote:
Robin van Persie has backed Arsenal to recover from their miserable start to the season and begin climbing the Premier League table.
Arsene Wenger's side endured a summer of turmoil with the departures of key midfielders Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri to Barcelona and Manchester City, respectively.
And they have struggled for form on the field too, with just seven points garnered from their opening seven fixtures in the Premier League to sit 15th in the table.
An 8-2 drubbing at Manchester United was followed by an embarrassing 4-3 reverse at Blackburn and in their last outing the Gunners suffered a 2-1 reverse at the hands of local rivals Tottenham.
But captain Van Persie insists there is no need to panic and is confident Wenger and his players can get back to winning ways soon.
Not good
"I have every trust in the things we are doing within the club," he told the Sunday Mirror.
"There is only a fine line between winning and losing. Just look at our last match against Spurs. We could have won that game with the chances we had. There is no need to panic for anyone.
"Our start is not good. I would have felt better if we had won the derby. We didn't and right now there is a negative feeling. But I assure you, it is not all that negative.
"It is up to us, players and staff, to sort it out on the pitch."
Treasure
Van Persie's own future remains the subject of much speculation, with the Holland international reiterating that he is not looking too far ahead at present.
He added: "I am not going to make any statements about my future. Not now, not for a while.
"I've been at Arsenal eight years and that is quite extraordinary these days. Which is why I treasure this. What my future will bring, nobody knows.
"I can understand people are curious, but I am just dedicated to everything at
Arsenal right now.".
bye
Anzhi are after him
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...as-Anelka.html
Can't see him going there, then again if they are offering 250K a week might be a bit hard for him to turn down at his ageQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
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Arsenal captain Robin Van Persie sells house as rumours regarding his future build up – Premier League Update
Arsenal striker Robin Van Persie has add more doubt to his future at the Emirates, as the player has now gone on and sold his house.
The player was previously caught stating that he wasn’t sure of his future at the moment and that he would decide what to do, when the time was right. That being said, the player’s contract is set to run out in the near future and the time for him to decide what to do is now or never.
The striker has been linked with moves to Real Madrid and Manchester City and from the looks of things, he could potentially be on his way out sooner, rather than later.
Van Persie believes that he has spent a long time with Arsenal and despite winning a few trophies with the team; he seems to have not achieved his full potential.
Manchester City are currently looking to offload Carlos Tevez, who seems to have problems of his own with the club. As a result, the team has now turned to Van Persie are being the ideal replacement for the Argentine forward. According to rumours, the Manchester based club are going to make an offer for the Dutch striker in January and will be looking to include Tevez as part of the deal.
It is uncertain if Arsenal are going to cave into City and their offers for the player, but what can be said assuredly, is that Van Persie might just be looking to push for the move.
The fact that the player has sold his house in London, is a massive clue as to what he is planning. At the same time, his former teammates seem to be having the time of their lives at the Etihad Stadium and perhaps the Gunners captain is now looking to end his career on a high.
All in all, it is now a wait to see just what Van Persie has to say about his future, since all we have at the moment are rumours to get by on.
http://blogs.bettor.com/Arsenal-capt...Update-a103157
no quotes, no sources, no info just rumours therefore massive amount of horseshitQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
What few trophies would these be then?Quote:
Van Persie believes that he has spent a long time with Arsenal and despite winning a few trophies with the team; he seems to have not achieved his full potential.
Emirates Cup?
Amsterdam Tourney?
Morally Superior Cup?
hes won the fa cup just that thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Beginning to think he'll be off soon, when we inevitably suffer our end of season collapse and win f*ck all again he'll be thinking he's had enough of this team of bottlers and will want a move to a club where he can win something.
He's said he's been here 8 years which is already a hint that he's thinking that's a decent stint, at his age if he wants to win some medals it would be a good idea to find a club to match his ambitions.
Just a shame we can't shift the one thing we desperately need to, the guy whose lack of ability is leaving us with no success and no quality players.
This season looks like an all season collapse. Be lucky to be in top 10Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
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Originally Posted by FakeYank
Rubbish there are easily 14 teams worse then us
Not a lot to base that on though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Baring in mind we have bought a load of players they will need time to gel (hopefully very soon :pray:)
There's not a lot to base any assessment of this squad on really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Utd away, Spurs away and Liverpool at home are tricky games in any season. In the last two of those we were a little unlucky to come away with nothing (didn't see the Spurs game but a fan of theirs emailed me after and said he thought we'd been a little unlucky, I was at the Liverpool game and but for the sending off I think we'd have got a point).
We've looked pretty poor at times this season and not bad at others. Which sort of screams "mid-table" at me but it's fairly early days yet.
It's not like those games with Liverpool and Spurs were anomalies, as in we were winning all our other games and were just a little unlucky in those. I can't remember the last time we won back to back league games. We were lucky to beat Swansea so you can't look back at what might have been. It's just an assumption now, a stab in the dark if you like, to think we will suddenly find some sort consistency, when that hasn't been displayed for 20 odd games now.
Everything points to mid table unless we see an overnight transformation.
Well, the defence is fucking shoddy as fuck. We all know that, which puts all kinds of pressure on the rest of the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Confidence is low. Inexperience from Jenko, Gibbs, PingPong etc. No other recognised striker than RVP.
Basically, despite playing well enough in some matches (Spuds, Liverpool) we've still gone on and lost. And it's the confidence of the team that has done that.
The ability (whilst not anywhere near City) is good, the application and working model of it is fucked up. I still think we have a very good team. Arteta, Arshavin, RVP, Mertesecker, hjdksf.ds, Sagna, Verms, Song, Theo etc etc etc, are a match for anyone. It's the application of that talent....where fergie can make Park play well, we can't make Arshavin (by far the more gifted player) do a job.
Go figure.
But we ain't mid-table. Our form is though.
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Originally Posted by LDG
We have more points now than Liverpool did last season.
It took a change of manager to get them going (although frankly, 'King Kenny's record isn't that impressive), if the players have lost faith in Wenger then maybe we need to change manager to revive our form but the players are better than mid-table, the way they're playing right now isn't. If they can get a few results and restore some confidence then things will get better, if we can't it could be a long, hard season.
He's had enough? nigh on 8 years as a part-timer? the only thing he can be relied on to do is get fucking injured in an International friendly, if the team fails he's got to shoulder a fair proportion of the blame not get fucking sympathy the poor lamb, he wants to stop talking up his prospects of a move and start working on his set pieces, what is it? 3 fucking years since our free-kick specialist has scored from one?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I was watching a video of RVP's freekicks pre-2008. He was pretty awesome.
Dunno what the fuck happened there though.
Too hard to score a free-kick from the treatment table probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
When in doubt, blame Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Wengeritis? :bow:
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Nah, only an idiot would do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
4 wins in 18 would suggest its relegation form, not mid table and the only reason we arent in the bottom 3 atm is cos of the summer
just out of interest what has the summer got to do with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
edit: just realised you meant without playing in the summer not our signings
This just sell the cunt to tghe Russians for 50 Mill and build the team around that. sellling him won't be a loss as most thing if we got a decent fee for him tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perry
AW will give the 50 million back to the board because it will kill the other strikersQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Wash and repeat, man. It's deja vu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
