Giroud Discourse

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

I'd have taken Huntelaar, Higuain or someone like them who will deliver goals, not some unknown unproven French guy with very little experience of playing at the top level in any country.

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Huntelaar flopped at the only two big clubs he's been at. He offers nothing apart from the goals, which while nice doesn't really work in a league where you need genuine class to continually unlock defenses. While Higuain is better he's also quite clearly out of our price range and we'd be overpaying for someone that's nowhere near world class.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Not really because I've seen people use the same sort of arguments against Pep and sometimes with Mourinho.

If Pep fails miserably with Bayern, wouldn't it be fair to say he was blessed with a very taleneted squad and that's partly the reason why he was so successful?

We shouldn't dance around the issue of why Wenger has done so badly in the past 7 years. The mentality of the squad when he first arrived is worlds apart from what we're seeing now. Why is that?

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I agree with this, if Guardiola does well at Bayern he'll have more credibility...repeating success somewhere else shows you can deliver in different circumstances. At Barca he had it all, money, quality players etc he also inherited Messi.

Top managers don't go years without winning if at a top club.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Not really because I've seen people use the same sort of arguments against Pep and sometimes with Mourinho.

If Pep fails miserably with Bayern, wouldn't it be fair to say he was blessed with a very taleneted squad and that's partly the reason why he was so successful?

We shouldn't dance around the issue of why Wenger has done so badly in the past 7 years. The mentality of the squad when he first arrived is worlds apart from what we're seeing now. Why is that?

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How many of those people are fans of the clubs where that success was delivered? That's the sad thing here.

I'm sure when the time comes in x amount of years that Goonersweb will be used as a bastion of knowledge as to why Wenger will not be our viewed as our most successful manager, a legend in the game and why the players who became legends themselves under his guidance will turn their back on him completely.

I'll keep dancing as long as you keep looning.

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Originally Posted by Boss

Huntelaar flopped at the only two big clubs he's been at. He offers nothing apart from the goals, which while nice doesn't really work in a league where you need genuine class to continually unlock defenses. While Higuain is better he's also quite clearly out of our price range and we'd be overpaying for someone that's nowhere near world class.

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He didn't flop at Real he was actually quite good, he just didn't get much of a chance and it's tough at Real.

Goals is fine for me, I'm sick of seeing players doing everything but score goals, we had Wright before and he was all about goals and he was fantastic..if a striker delivers goals I'm happy, Van Nistlerooy delivered goals and that made him quite a player. I don't want to see players dancing around outside the penalty area or laying of the ball, I want to see goalscorers up front.

We got 25 million we could have got quality for that (we had extra money we could have added if need be)

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

Not really because like I said "in the right circumstances".

He can't adapt, can't change and doesn't have the answers when the environment isn't right. That's not a great manager, great managers, evolve and adapt to changing conditions.

He's not done any of the above in the last x years, in fact it's been pretty dire.

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Ah, i see you changed that after my response.

So you do think he done a great job in those years then, we agree on that?

I'm not interested in the past 7 years because only if you choose to ignore them, you'll see my posts on the forum berating our manager. which is why i don't see why you keep repeating your feelings about that either - i know that very well. i've read it enough.

it's your ridiculous statements about the leagues/cups that i'm addressing.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

How many of those people are fans of the clubs where that success was delivered? That's the sad thing here.

I'm sure when the time comes in x amount of years that Goonersweb will be used as a bastion of knowledge as to why Wenger will not be our viewed as our most successful manager, a legend in the game and why the players who became legends themselves under his guidance will turn their back on him completely.

I'll keep dancing as long as you keep looning.

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That's not what i asked and I didn't ask for a sarcy comment either. It's a genuine question that's hard to answer.

you didn't ask but you got.

please see above.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

Ah, i see you changed that after my response.

So you do think he done a great job in those years then, we agree on that?

I'm not interested in the past 7 years because only if you choose to ignore them, you'll see my posts on the forum berating our manager. which is why i don't see why you keep repeating your feelings about that either - i know that very well. i've read it enough.

it's your ridiculous statements about the leagues/cups that i'm addressing.

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I'm really questioning his ability as manager, not his achievements.

Say whut?

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

you didn't ask but you got.

please see above.

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Try and keep your emotions in check. If you can't answer then just bow out without getting petty.