Match Reaction v Barca (home) 15/16

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Originally Posted by Letters

Money HAS always been available but the new deals have made a difference too.
That season you're talking about, we lost Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy, Arshavin, Eboue...Bentner :d.
Signing one marquee player would have left us short.
I don't think anyone would argue that Wenger has got things right in the transfer market but if you're arguing that that new financial deals have made no difference and we could have always done what we did in the last couple of years then I don't agree. The key difference in the last few years is we've signed some big players without selling key players, hence the much bigger net spend.

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Those fees in your link are off. We sold Fab for a reported £35m. Nasri for £25m. So why not buy two marquee players not one? :doh:

How do you end up with Gervinho, Ox, Arteta, Park, Merts, Jenks and Santos? Zero marquee players after selling two!. Only Merts and Arteta served any purpose for the first team and people on here still debate their quality.

Is this not making any sense to you? Diluting the quality? And yes, we could have done what we're doing now years ago and quite possibly held on to one or two key players. Heck, you're marbles if you think we couldn't do with a better keeper in those days.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Problem with arguing with Letters is that he keeps on saying erroneous facts and hopes that its repetition will consolidate it as fact.

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Quite ironic you started a post like that and then went on to spout a load of 'facts' which are pure conjecture.
I backed up my 'facts' with a link where I got them from.
Meh.

Your facts are always facts, others are made up.
See PnGs response above

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Problem with arguing with Letters is that he keeps on saying erroneous facts and hopes that its repetition will consolidate it as fact. When we moved to the Emirates our net income went up immediately. We started saving money right away irrespective of the stadium payments. We were never in a position where we could not buy quality players, Onkly that we could not do it on the same gargantuan level as City Chelsea and United. We offered 42m +£1 for Suarez before we bought Ozil and before the new TV deals came into effect. Are we saying at that time we could not afford to have offered Pool 50m or even 60? Of couse we could we already had over 150m in the bank at that time. The 200m is increasing year on year. Wenger refuses to spend either because it suits him for CYA (cover your ass) reasons or because the directive from above is to keep the coffer in good balance to enable the club be used as collateral against other Kroenke related deals as we have just seen with his mega ranch purchase.

THe reality is IMO that no one cares about the on field achievements of this club. It is just a vehicle to further wider business interests. Another 10 years of this crapness would suit a lot of rich people just fine. Not to mention their quislings on this forum who are just polar opposite to rationale because it fills a vacuum in their day.

PS we never really SOLD any big players. They left because we could not give them the ambition to stay. A self inflicted curse that may soon be repeated.

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If we didn’t have the new sponsorship deals and Gazidis didn’t say we could afford a player like Rooney along with Rooney’s wages, we’d all probably think the Suarez debacle was just a myth. Similar to the stories about us being linked with Xabi Alonso, Reina, Cahill, Mata….it seems impossible that we’d miss out on quality players because we wouldn’t budge on the fee. We could never be that stubborn. But when you look on last summer and this January’s transfer windows, knowing that we have lots of money to spend but only bought a keeper and some guy that the Swiss league that can’t make it on our bench…how can you not look back on those days with suspicion? Wenger talks of only signing super quality but won’t play Elneny in league! We still haven’t bought a quality striker. Welbeck was another last minute fortunate deadline day buy that might not have happened. Wenger was close to going into that season with Sanogo whilst Giroud was injured. If we knew nothing about our new spending power, all the venom would be aimed at the Board with people assuming Wenger has been getting the short end of the stick. That’s the furthest from the truth.

He’s just stubborn and arrogant. You only have to look at his response to Vieira when he was calling for new star signings. You only have to look at what he’s said about Leicester’s success as if he’s been vindicated for not spending big. The fact that it’s taken Ozil and Sanchez for him to just win the FA Cup should be an embarrassment to him. He couldn’t even win the Carling Cup final against Birmingham City.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Money HAS always been available but the new deals have made a difference too.
That season you're talking about, we lost Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy, Arshavin, Eboue...Bentner :d.
Signing one marquee player would have left us short.
I don't think anyone would argue that Wenger has got things right in the transfer market but if you're arguing that that new financial deals have made no difference and we could have always done what we did in the last couple of years then I don't agree. The key difference in the last few years is we've signed some big players without selling key players, hence the much bigger net spend.

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Wenger's recruitment policy is by design, he plays the market the way he wants to based purely on his own principles and he's wrong.

The fact we are left short is on Wenger, it has nothing to do with finances, City doping the market, the chinese market, Stan the man or whatever mumbo jumbo is aired.

I was kind of sitting on the fence with Wenger and his recruitment policy up until the last few seasons, it's all clear now and it's all on him IMO.

He could and should have done more back then when we were allegedly strapped, he could and should be doing more now.

Wenger walked away from deals out of principle because we were a million or two short on the valuation of the player, based purely on his valuation of the player (Schwarzer, Alonso etc), that's totally ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by selassie

The fact we are left short is on Wenger

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I agree with that.

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it has nothing to do with finances, City doping the market

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I don't really agree with that. It has been a factor.

Last few years we've made some great signings without selling any key players, it's already yielded a couple of Cups, right now we're in the title race. Ultimately if we fall short that is on Wenger and he should be sacked. Earlier in the season I was saying we should challenge, right now given the likely alternatives - the mess City are in, the fact that Leicester and Spurs are the other candidates - we really should be winning it. I don't agree he should be sacked even if we do win it though.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I agree with that.

I don't really agree with that. It has been a factor.

Last few years we've made some great signings without selling any key players, it's already yielded a couple of Cups, right now we're in the title race. Ultimately if we fall short that is on Wenger and he should be sacked. Earlier in the season I was saying we should challenge, right now given the likely alternatives - the mess City are in, the fact that Leicester and Spurs are the other candidates - we really should be winning it. I don't agree he should be sacked even if we do win it though.

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I agree that the dopers have inflated the market but that doesn't mean we should just sit on our hands and not try and improve our team.

The dopers can only buy so many players, many very good players have moved clubs and are moving clubs well within our transfer budget, citing City as a factor to why we are not pragmatic in the market works perfectly as a distraction for us not to get involved. As PnG said on another thread Wenger is at it again talking about the Chinese market inflating prices, who cares?

Making a few great signings and not selling key players is the bare minimum requirement at a club of our stature, we should be aggressive in the market every single summer trying to sign the very best players available within our budget, isn't that why we moved to the Emirates?

P.S. I don't think Wenger should be sacked if we do win it but I would hope he would resign on a high if we do. I'm done with him TBH.

A 'for example' in the way it's affected us is when we were after SWP.
Chelsea swooped in, doubled the price and stuck him on their bench. 'Cos they could.
I don't think anyone would completely defend Wenger in the transfer market but there has been a chance in policy since the new financial deals were in place. We didn't do enough last summer though and if it costs us then he should be sacked.
If we do win the league then it will have been 3 seasons where we've won the cup then retained it and then won the title. It's bizarre to me how low Wenger's stock has fallen when that is still a fairly plausible outcome. I guess we'll know more after the next week our so. Couple of tough away games coming up the outcome of which will go a long way to deciding how this season pans out.

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Originally Posted by Letters

A 'for example' in the way it's affected us is when we were after SWP.
Chelsea swooped in, doubled the price and stuck him on their bench. 'Cos they could.
I don't think anyone would completely defend Wenger in the transfer market but there has been a chance in policy since the new financial deals were in place. We didn't do enough last summer though and if it costs us then he should be sacked.
If we do win the league then it will have been 3 seasons where we've won the cup then retained it and then won the title. It's bizarre to me how low Wenger's stock has fallen when that is still a fairly plausible outcome. I guess we'll know more after the next week our so. Couple of tough away games coming up the outcome of which will go a long way to deciding how this season pans out.

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Come on Letters the SWP thing was years ago. You can't use that as a justification to why Wenger leaves gaping holes in the squad every single season!

He's been mismanaging the squad for a long time now, it's not just this summer.

Wenger's stock has fallen because he's not doing enough in his job, he comes across as someone who just does the bare minimum, we signed no outfield players in the summer?! I mean that was just crazy, we don't have a perfect squad of players who can't be improved, yet Wenger tells us otherwise. Barca, Bayern, Real, they were all improving their squads in the summer, why weren't we?

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Originally Posted by selassie

Come on Letters the SWP thing was years ago. You can't use that as a justification to why Wenger leaves gaping holes in the squad every single season!

He's been mismanaging the squad for a long time now, it's not just this summer.

Wenger's stock has fallen because he's not doing enough in his job, he comes across as someone who just does the bare minimum, we signed no outfield players in the summer?! I mean that was just crazy, we don't have a perfect squad of players who can't be improved, yet Wenger tells us otherwise. Barca, Bayern, Real, they were all improving their squads in the summer, why weren't we?

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Spot on, there's just no excuse for his transfer policy, he fails to do the necessary in every transfer window. You just can't trust the man to improve the team in the areas it needs to be improved, he's too concerned about value for money and blocking the development of existing players to ever make the necessary signings, you just can't move forward this way.