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So we don't need Ozil? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
You already know my thoughts on him. Talented but doesn't really push himself to make more use of his abilities.
But it might not be him or his camp who leaked this story. We all knew he didn't want to come here. He might be over that now.
We arguably don't NEED any one individual who plays for the clubQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Would I rather have him here than not have him here? Absolutely
But I don't think any one player is instrumental to the clubs future performances and whatever I think of Ozil, I don't think I have ever maintained the opposite.
Of course we need him in this team, as he's central to how it plays.
Irreplaceable? Of course not. No one is. We wouldn't have grown as a club since our inception if that was the case.
Hopefully he stays but we'll see.
I think the key position for our style of play is and always has been central midfield. We get that wrong and it all falls down. We’ve seen a serious shift in how we play whenever we bring in a different style of player. From Vieira to Cesc and now Cazorla. It often all falls down in the engine room if we can’t build an attack.
When we moved Cesc to play the number 10 role and he wasn’t collecting the ball from the midfield as we would when playing as CM we struggled. Cazorla dropping back to play as a CM instead of AM has made him an essential player for us but it’s a shame it’s come so late on his career. Same goes for when we’d play Rosicky there.
Ozil –I’m not sure he’s central to how we play. With Sanchez now dropping deep to rack up the assists, I starting to think we could get away with someone like Wilshere or Iwobi as the number 10. It’s more of a support role now. I’d prefer a better player if Ozil were to leave but I think we need to address that Santi Cazorla role asap.
It's fucking Marca guys .... literally Real Madrid's PR Machine. Since when do we take any thing those guys say seriously.
At worst it's just his agent or a member of his entourage floating a brief rumour just to up his negotiating position. Said it before, but I genuinely think both Alexis and Ozil love it here.
Good money, first team starters, great fans, fantastic city to live in (strong economy and you don't see the visible poverty on the street as you do in Spain), a professional & modern club (with facilities to reflect that), none of the daily intrusion into your the personal life you get from the Spanish rags Marca/AS/El Mundo, low taxes (unless Corbyn gets in) etc etc etc ........ the only thing lacking is perhaps more silverware and doing better in the CL (which is why the PSG result is so grating) but as the likes of Pogba, Mkhiryran etc etc have shown, that's not even the be all and end all as long as the money is there.
Fuck your socialist wage structure and just fucking pay them what they want Wenger.
By the way I do kind of agree with you PnG, Ozil is definitely more replaceable than Alexis however if only for purely political reasons we absolutely CAN NOT let Ozil go. He was our first "big name" signing and it would send completely the wrong message to the football community about our brand and the appeal of our club. Not to mention make the likes of Alexis, Kosiencly think twice about signing deals with us in the future.
I think Marca are stirring pot, it's what they do best.
I see where TEG is coming from with his post above but I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that both Ozil and Sanchez are happy here, I think they are relatively settled but I think we are going to need to break the bank to retain either of them.
They both hold all the cards in these negotiations, they both know and the club should know that if we don't play ball they will both be off.
As TEG said, we just need to pay both of these guys the market rate, if 250k per week is what they want then that's what they should be paid, they are both worth it.
Ozil and Alexis are completely irreplaceable. The reason why is simple. If we aren't prepared to pay 250k a week to keep them then we can't afford or won't pay for suitable replacements. These two would already be tied down if they played for any other major club. With us, we're still living in the past. Sure, we love all the benefits of this new money era such as the big TV deals and the fuck off mega ticket prices. But when it comes to ponying up the costs attached to those benefits then it's back into scrimping and scraping mode. Whether the story is true or not, and a combination of the Metro and Marca almost guarantees it is created from thin air, the real problem is we still aren't a serious club when it comes to competing at the top. The stated reasons behind the stadium move, the "fuck me, are you serious" ticket prices and the years of putting up with bargain bucket transfer windows - all lies. This club has zero intention of competing at the top of the game. We're as far away as we ever were from properly competing in the CL and we have shown season after season, money or no money, that when an opportunity presents itself we neither have the personnel nor the bottle to grab it. 250kpw is of course lunacy, but that's the going rate for top tier talent. That's about 25mill a year between the pair of them, or 2/3rds of a Mustafi or a Xhaka - decidedly average players by comparison.
We have no problem paying outrageous Wenger's wages of course. And we'll have no problem resigning this bean counter masquerading as a football manager for another 3 torturous years.
No worries peeps, we got Ramsey who can play there.
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We need to keep Alexis without question. Now that’s he’s slotted into the striker role and looking at the shape of the market in that area, he can’t be replaced unless we’re willing to part with some serious cash. Pace, strength, mobility, desire, work rate, finishing long range or short, assists….the complete package.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
It would set us back years if Ozil and Sanchez left.
These are the 2 highest profile players we've arguably ever signed. If they didn't feel they could compete for major honours with us then the message that would send out would be incredibly damaging. Money is no longer the trump card it used to be, everyone can pay OTT, not everyone can promise to challenge at the very top though.