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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
You really are boring sometimes.
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Here you go again :yawn:Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
You really are boring sometimes.
Suarez is more what we need than Higuain. Higuain would have to rely on Walcott and Podolski to create chances for him. Since that is not going to happen, we might as well get someone who is willing to take on the entire defense himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
:lol: seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Are you wearing a tinfoil hat right now?
Really? They've been known to fake plenty of stuff/get things wrong, been enough scandals to prove that I would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
I like the way people take it for the gospel truth, where's his TV interview where he confirms this, that would leave us in no doubt after all. Higuain's dad said he's on his way to Arsenal so he should be here anytime now.
No, just the panties.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Higuain would have been fine, goalscorers score goals from nothing we've had our share over years, Wright scored plenty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harland
To be honest, I did receive an email from Suarez's agent asking whether I was willing to represent Suarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Why does Suarez have an agent from Uganda?
On a slight segway , what happens when a player submits a transfer request?
Didn't do much for Rooney a few seasons ago.
Depends what you want. Rooney didn't want to leave at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
you did say in another thread a few weeks back that you prioritised a top striker because you need a world class striker to win trophies. i remember backing you up in that thread as i pointed out if we kept van persie we would have gained around 10 more points over the course of the season, putting us up there with the big boys. well suarez is a top class striker, so according to your and mine logic, would really help us compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
here's what you said:
He's signed a new contract fairly recently, has shown himself to be a top top striker and Liverpool don't want to sell. So yeah he's worth 40 million.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...l=1#post298364
followed by:
It's not a fair comparison at all, a seller just wants a certain amount of cash for his asset (rarely is there a bidding war)...however with a player there's other things involved, like not wanting to sell to a rival, a player not wanting to move somewhere......and in this case the club not wanting to sell. Don't fool yourself into thinking we're attractive to Suarez, there's much bigger clubs who would be interested, clubs who sign top players, spend big and do anything to achieve success and achieve success. We have no chance of signing him.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...l=1#post298368
although you did say we need more than 1 striker tbf:
I disagree on the striker front, reason being in big games you only get a handful of chances and more often than not those will fall to strikers. With a top striker who can finish you know there's a much better chance of him taking those chances that come his way in these games....the lesser striker have a tendency to blow those crucial game winning chances.
I do think we could use a tricky winger and tough tackling midfielder, but I also think we need a top class striker to finish off the chances. A new goalie would have been good too, Chesney showed last season he's not ready.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...l=1#post298379
just pointing out that you seemed to really rate him very highly by the sounds of it so you cant and say he's not the type of signing you had in mind, when you classify him as being out of our reach in those posts. he's world class, he's exactly what we need mate!
Suarez is one of the best strikers in the world.
Don't understand why anyone wouldn't want him
The point is we have to get him and if we can't we have to get somebody else of note. This had better not be one crazy roll of the dice with the only alternative to go into the new season with Sanogo as our only business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
It feels good to be the "other" team for once. I'm loving the fact that people are gonna hate Arsenal more.
WTF does 'ink on a contract' have to do with 'safe'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I never said he wasn't a good player though (clearly he is) and as far as being worth the money, in this scenario he's worth what Liverpool deem him to be worth as he's got a contract which has gone a while to run and Liverpool don't want to sell, so in that sense he's worth 50 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Do I think he's actually worth spending 50 million on though, no, I don't think he's that good that he's worth the 50 million, that kind of money for me is the sort of money we should pay someone who is special and for someone who has marketability (as mentioned before someone like Neymar is much more marketable).
So yes I think he's very good (he scored a lot of goals last season) but I do think based on one season and his disciplinary record that kind of money is more than we should be paying as the team needs far more than one player. The other thing is and what you guys seem to ignore, it's all very good right now when he's kicking up a fuss at another club, but come a year or two he'll do the same to us and he'll get himself banned again as well, he's a troublemaker....and whilst he appeals now when we get screwed over it won't feel so good.
Incidentally I do think we need a striker to finish off the chances and I stand by the point I made, however if we signed him whilst he would improve the team it wouldn't be a magic recipe for success, he's suspended for 6 games and one player isn't going to solve our problems, the level of the team needs raising across the board. As mentioned before this would be returning us to a level when we had RVP and whilst he scored lots of goals we never won anything then either because we lacked quality in other areas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpcEietIoxkQuote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
You need to smoke some of that good stuff as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
If Suarez comes and noone else, that's still not a good summer but damn it, Suarez is a very good start.
Whilst he is not as clinical as people here think he is, his ability to draw defenders and create chances gives him a whole new dimension to what a player like Higuain will bring to us.
Having said all that, Wenger will probably play him as a DM.
BR's response to Suarez's most recent interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X811wlXW_C8#at=156
If Liverpool agreed that clause and Rogers said he’d help him leave if they didn’t qualify for the Champions League, then Liverpool are in the wrong also. It’s dishonest and I think Suarez has a point if Liverpool aren’t being true to what they originally agreed.
I wouldn't personally be that happy with our summers work, one player brought in (albeit a very good one) who will be missing 6 games (probably more during the season) and will probably want out in a year or two to go to a bigger club. We'll be a better team for sure but we won't challenge for silverware and we probably won't see much come in the the following years as we've blown our budget on one big player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harland
I think what we've needed for years is an out and out finisher personally, why does a striker have to do 10 different things, his job is primarily to score goals and if he does that he's worth the money in my book.
Don't disagree, but this clause is pie in the sky at the moment...if he's so convinced why is he just spouting out about it in the paper surely there's more productive things that could be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
In addition players have been screwing over clubs for years, it would be good to see the same happen to them, as I've said watching one of the mercernaries rot in the reserves and have their career ruined would be great to watch, it might make them more humble and make them realise they can't just sign a contract and leave when they feel like it.
yeah i also think we need more than 1 player but we're pretty much blowing our transfer budget on 1 player. £50m up front, 140k a week x 52 = 7.2m a year, 4 year contract? £28m. thats our budget gone. for that money we could buy pretty much anyone on the planet. but what choice do we have? we stood by like idiots to watch higuain go, david villa go for peanuts, negredo go, jovetic go. we have no choice but to go for suarez. take risks on a cheaper guy? risks havent worked out over the past few years. just put the money down for this proven goalscorer imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
one thing i will say is people who say 'this will take us to a level where we had RVP', well i think it'll take us further. when we had RVP we didn't have cazorla, podolski and giroud. they've added huge depth to the team as it means people like chamakh aren't coming off the bench. it'll be giroud coming on, who off the bench, is pretty decent.
fuck it, let's sign him up and get ready for the rollercoaster. as arsenal fans we're used to a ride, let's just hope for the best this time.
Liverpool should just hurry up and sell Suarez so they can strengthen the team and put an end to this saga.
The noises from the manager and chairman suggest they wont sell and if they do I reckon it'll be at the last minute. But let's not forget that these are very inexperienced people. Rodgers has very little football management experience and even less at the top level and the chairman has practically zero experience of 'soccer'.
It's not all doom and gloom for Liverpool fans. They're slowly shipping out the shite that Dalglish bought and are replacing them with good players. Coutinho looks like a star and they replaced Torres ok so I'm sure they'll do the same with Suarez.
I really don't see any point in Liverpool dragging this out. I can only think there are some European teams circling with a bid and Liverpool would of course much rather sell to a foreign club.
:haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Harland
Whilst it seems clear now that Suarez wants to talk to us/is interested in joining us I still think there is a very long way to go. He has 3 years left on his contract and ultimately Liverpool are going to dictate the price here. We have seen similar transfer sagas go pear shaped for the buying club, I.E. Modric to Chelsea a few seasons ago so it isn't all plain sailing for us.
I personally think if we don't up our offer and at the very least meet Liverpool halfway then he's not coming here, the rumours are we're not prepared to go a penny (mind the pun) above what we have already offered...so I personally don't think it's looking good at the moment irrespective of what Saurez is saying.
We're run by idiots but you have to wonder who gave us the £40m figure. There must be something there and he is taking legal action. If Liverpool had a clause in his agreement and have been sneaky with the interpretation and wording then they're not being true either. If there was no such clause then they'd have a stronger case but if the player signed something and verbally expressed his desire to leave next season under certain conditions then this can't come as a shock to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Would he had signed a new agreement without the clause?
He's not mentioned legal action to be honest (don't think he has at least), just the PFA. If there was such a clause surely his agent would have been onto the lawyers to get it enforced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Would he have signed a new agreement, for more money probably yes, he seems the type.
It's clear they don't want to sell though and if they do it will be on their terms at the price they want and why not, he has 3 years left on his contract after all and was happy enough to sign last summer for more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Liverpool have already bought players and that Coutinho player is some player so I suggest they're in no hurry.
I think it's only a matter of time really before they decide to sell. Whatever this clause is, I don't think Liverpool can realistically keep him now. He's burnt all his bridges with the people in charge and most importantly the fans.
This would be an ideal time for AW to say, "meh, we're not interested any more..." and walk away smiling.
I don't think so, Tevez kicked up a huge fuss and then came back and played, fans forget quickly a few goals and it will all be forgotten about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I think Liverpool would be a lot more principled on this than a classless outfit like City.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
That is true but Man City can afford to do that, I don't think Liverpool are in the same position of strength.
My analysis? He's on his way!
Exactly. It's pointless comparing City to Liverpool. Liverpool don't have Aguero, Dzeko and Balotelli to fall back on if Suarez goes on a Tevez style walk about.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
The thing is though, Suarez has no choice but to play, it's World Cup year if he doesn't play he may find he's not in the squad.
Yeah that's one thing in Liverpool's favour. But can you imagine the shit storm this Suarez interview has created? Liverpool's fans seem to forgive him for everything so I can still see Suarez in a Liverpool shirt next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Either way nothing will happen quickly. We're in for another 3 weeks of speculation before anything happens with Suarez.
He's gone.
But I still can't see this clause turning out to be what he says. As I said last night whilst punching the wall, if Suarez and his agent were really sure they held the trump card they wouldn't have to resort to a ridiculous wishy-washy press statement. They'd have called the lawyers in and got this sorted within days; it's been weeks. These people are complete tossers, all this talk of not wanting to bring in the courts out of respect or whatever it is is just flagrant BS. It's the age old ploy, release a statement and try to force us in a corner. If they knew they had us by the short and curlies they'd be silent and would have already brought in the lawyers and made their case, it sounds far more likely right now that his agent has screwed up and is trying every trick to dig himself out of the hole, changing the terms of this apparent clause and then distracting everyone with talk of pwomises.
The threat of Gordon Taylor, Clark Carlisle and their Merry Men is horrendously weak. And in any case, if they did have their backing, the PFA would have most likely released their own statement to that regard and would have notified the club of their position. [With the caveat that if we have messed up, then the owners will face hell]
I'm not sure the fans would even be that bothered if we sold him now either, and lets face it that's the main reason they've been so publicly staunch in their position. Now he's burnt his bridges, we'll see that as much as an offence against them as much as the club.
Either way, he'll be sold before it even gets close to anything like that. If we have screwed up, we won't want it coming out that we've acted like idiots, and the same for Suarez and his cronies. And it'd cost a bomb and likely take time to sort out, surely too long to complete before the end of the window.
I think most likely is the clause can be interpreted in different ways. Each party will think it's in their favour. Lawyers would want to drag it out for months or even years to prolong their gravy train.
Sounds to me like Rodgers and Liverpool's chairman did the old 'Levy Gentleman's Agreement' trick and verbally told Suarez he could leave for £40m to a Champs Lge club. Players should record all conversations when negotiating a contract. Levy got another year out of Modric after giving his word he could leave and he's now doing the same with Bale and making sure he gets mega money for him. I know players are stupid but you'd think their advisors wouldn't fall for the oldest trick in the book.