Transfer News, Rumours and Bollocks Thread

Well, levels of trust from people doesn't mean shit imo, especially given the levels of trust around Arsenal in general recently.

Aside from that, I don't agree but unless we stop fucking it up at the end of the season it's all a bit moot anyway.

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Originally Posted by Darth Vela

I did not see zese mistakes, it seems to me that he's one of those guys that gets hammered for making the same errors as other players, I've seen Vidic be caught out of position and give away clumsy penalties and free-kicks yet some hold him up as some kind of demi-god whilst we're stuck with guys that can't put one foot in front of the other. There were more in the first few months, which was to be expected but aside from the Blues incident at Wembley he didn't do much wrong individually in the latter half of the season, not much more than any Serbian deities anyway.

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Agreed - it seems to be a habit of this board to slag off our own guys and say how shit we are when defenders (and strikers, come to that) make any number of similar mistakes in other teams. I accept we need some improvements in any number of ways but I wish people would make more effort to get a perspective on it in comparison to other teams.

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Originally Posted by Darth Vela

Well, levels of trust from people doesn't mean shit imo, especially given the levels of trust around Arsenal in general recently.

Aside from that, I don't agree but unless we stop fucking it up at the end of the season it's all a bit moot anyway.

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What do you think the problem is there?

Mentally weak ass players? Or just shit players being found out when the going gets tough?

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Originally Posted by Darth Vela

I did not see zese mistakes, it seems to me that he's one of those guys that gets hammered for making the same errors as other players, I've seen Vidic be caught out of position and give away clumsy penalties and free-kicks yet some hold him up as some kind of demi-god whilst we're stuck with guys that can't put one foot in front of the other. There were more in the first few months, which was to be expected but aside from the Blues incident at Wembley he didn't do much wrong individually in the latter half of the season, not much more than any Serbian deities anyway.

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Every defender makes mistakes but the frequency and occasion is what makes the difference. Kozza didn't have a good season and there is no sugar coating that. Made some very basic errors and good performances were few and far between. It's the reverse for top defenders. The bad games are few and far between.

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Originally Posted by Ach

What do you think the problem is there?

Mentally weak ass players? Or just shit players being found out when the going gets tough?

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More the weak ass players as far as I'm concerned, not enough of them willing to stand up and take responsibility when it comes to the big games. I guess you gravitate towards the shite players being found out by what you said.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Every defender makes mistakes but the frequency and occasion is what makes the difference. Kozza didn't have a good season and there is no sugar coating that. Made some very basic errors and good performances were few and far between. It's the reverse for top defenders. The bad games are few and far between.

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Well, I''m afraid you simply have to dismiss me as delusional.

I don't think he made more than any other defender at this level and nor do I think that his good performances were few and far between, we put in plenty of collectively iffy performances and as a part of the whole Kozza must take some blame for those but individually it was a good debut season imo.

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Originally Posted by Darth Vela

More the weak ass players as far as I'm concerned, not enough of them willing to stand up and take responsibility when it comes to the big games. I guess you gravitate towards the shite players being found out by what you said.

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Bit of both.

Even in Wengers trophy winning years 98-05, there were a couple of seasons there where we fell away at the latter end of the season most notably in 02/03 season.

And the players that season were better than the ones last season by quite a bit.

Whats the one similarity in those 2 seasons? Wenger.

Time for him to go

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Originally Posted by Ach

Bit of both.

Even in Wengers trophy winning years 98-05, there were a couple of seasons there where we fell away at the latter end of the season most notably in 02/03 season.

And the players that season were better than the ones last season by quite a bit.

Whats the one similarity in those 2 seasons? Wenger.

Time for him to go

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Can't argue with that, not convinced it's the solution but if big changes don't change it this season...

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

we have very little control of what gets down with the money
the only thing we can do and do well is bitch about everything from who is the next Charlie George to the texture of the toilet paper at the Emirates, or for that matter Ach's inability to tell good player from a bad one
so we what are we left to do, gotta suck it up and get behind the team,
I admit players do earn our wrath through constant bad performances, Bedtner or by showing no developement or contribution, Denilson/Rosicky or even by just being a complete clown, Eboue and should not look to hide
but players who we haven't even seen yet and have been bought by the club should be given some benefit of the doubt, Alvarez is coming under a lot of stick but I know you cannot judge the player based on youtube, you never know we could be pleasantly surprised

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The benefit of doubt was given to the garbage we signed last summer; even though people doubted that they'd be decent signings they were supported until they proved beyond all doubt that they were shite.

You can't guarantee a player's success but you can do certain things to make it more likely - signing players that are used to the league, for example, or signing players who have immense talent. We definitely didn't do that last season and I hope Wenger doesn't make the same mistake last year.

God weren't last summer's signings dreadful!

Chamspack, Squid, and Kos - fucking terrible.