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14-03-2012, 05:21 PM
Ollie the Optimist

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Originally Posted by Joker

You are the most boring **** on this messageboard. How about changing the fucking record and making a decent post once in a while, rather than pathetic little digs at me, which is all you seem to do.

tbf joker we could say the exact same about you with your stupid fucking posts about RVP not doing enough. you could have value in what you said baout him if he hadnt scored 44 goals in 45 prem games, several winners and equalisers and general bullshit about him
14-03-2012, 05:26 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

So Wenger not mouthing the exact words i said means he never said he believes this team will make progress in the near future.

I'm not sure what he's said but you can't just make up stuff about what Wenger says or where we were in the table at a certain point and then get all stroppy when I pick you up on it.

Do you think this season has been that bad? I think parts of it have but other parts have been brilliant. Recently we've shown some real fight and got some great results. There was a run earlier in the season where we did that and then slumped just after Christmas so I don't know what to make of us as a team right now. But I tell you one thing for free, I didn't expect us to be top 4 at this stage of the season and I doubt you did either. I didn't think we'd be 1 point off Spurs - a team who the media have been jizzing over all season and who were touted as serious title contenders. The team and Wenger deserve some credit for us being there.

To say people who support Wenger 'wont hear anything against him' is ludicrous. "Wenger can do no wrong" and "Wenger is a bumbling idiot" are not the only two positions. Both of those are extreme positions and both are ludicrous. Only the real WUMs on here take either position - and they don't really believe that either, they're just looking for a reaction. There are many far more sensible shades of grey in between those two positions

Wenger has, IMO, done well to keep us in the top 4 year on year despite the spending power of billionaire owners and other clubs spending big to try (and usually fail) to unseat us. BUT, we've not won a trophy for far too long for a club of our stature. And fundamental problems have been allowed to persist for far too long without being addressed. That is damning and Wenger should have been sacked for that. The issue for me is whether we're progressing. Right now I see signs that we are but I accept that there have been false dawns before.

Of course the team has deficiencies. EVERY team has deficiencies. The issue is whether Wenger is the right person to lessen those deficiencies and whether someone else could do so better (given that we have a board who seem to value profit over investment in the squad). I just don't know any more but right now I'm enjoying the football we're playing, enjoying the fight that the squad are showing and am cautiously optimistic about how things are going. In a few games if we've fell apart again I might feel differently.
14-03-2012, 05:47 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

So Wenger not mouthing the exact words i said means he never said he believes this team will make progress in the near future. Are we in a court of law here?. I suppose contrary to what I have said, Wenger has actually promised us that next year will be worse or just as bad as this. Sheesh!. You Wenger apologists simply wont hear anything against him and in his defence you resort to nitpicking words and nuances. So we were never 15th this season at a time when Manu were already in the top 5. How are you going to finish first when you habitually give more than capable opposition a 10 point head start. I suppose wonderful Wenger can probably climb Everest with one hand and no rope While Fergie straps on the GPS laden equipment.

I can see that us fans are split in 2 distinct groups. 1 who think we are basically punching above our weight and great things should actually be beyond us and those who think footie is played on the park with equal number of players and a capable set of people working in the background. It is disingenious to think what we say on thees boards is irrelevant. it probably is, since disgruntled fans have existed long before the internet. it however does not make it less salient the way the game makes each and everyone of us feel.

This team, this club has deficiencies, this is an incontrovertible fact. In 99.9% of other clubs, the manager is where the correction begins. The only question which is what the poll asks is if we want to start with this change or not.

Top post fella top post, and your right Arsenal fans are split into to groups. For me its what is success we may not all agree but it does not make anyone of us on here less ambitious then anyone else.

Lets be real in the era of the billionaire in the 1st 3 seasons from 2006-2008 its clear we had no money (repaying of loans for the stadium) and the target was 4th plain and simple and Wenger delivered. the next 4 years 2009- 2012. Between these years we had good enough squads to win a trophy which really should have been the aim, Even though We were Challenging we were never going to win the league why, not enough quality was added to win the league even though we had enough to challenge.
14-03-2012, 06:16 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Letters

To say people who support Wenger 'wont hear anything against him' is ludicrous. "Wenger can do no wrong" and "Wenger is a bumbling idiot" are not the only two positions. Both of those are extreme positions and both are ludicrous. Only the real WUMs on here take either position - and they don't really believe that either, they're just looking for a reaction. There are many far more sensible shades of grey in between those two positions

Wenger has, IMO, done well to keep us in the top 4 year on year despite the spending power of billionaire owners and other clubs spending big to try (and usually fail) to unseat us. BUT, we've not won a trophy for far too long for a club of our stature. And fundamental problems have been allowed to persist for far too long without being addressed. That is damning and Wenger should have been sacked for that. The issue for me is whether we're progressing. Right now I see signs that we are but I accept that there have been false dawns before.

Yep agree with this letters. Just because people don't say Wenger out every week don't make then then Wenger in brigade or fans who have been conned.

Big question is why was AW given so much time on this project? Should have been given a target of 3 years and with failure should have been sacked.

Will a new manager be allowed to remain here for this long if he don't win nout in the next 3 years or will it be samey same.
14-03-2012, 06:44 PM
Alpha

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

When AW was signed, did you know who he was? How many of you had RVP's smile from last night when he signed in 96? I'd think no one... so why not get someone who looks promising and can do a good job?

If we want a 100% top manager, there is Capello & Riijkard (off the top of my head)

Football changes with time mate . I doubt this is the time to give the job to an inexperienced manager at the Grove . When Wenger signed he was already a top manager even though he was unknown in England . He didi a great job at Monaco winning the league and tasted the old version of champions League as well . He gave to the japanese the legacy in football with Nagoya Grampus . He has started a great job at the Emirates . Let him finish it first . He will move on one day . Capello or Riijkard for Wenger ? Well Capello was a great manager with AC Milan but England just exposed him . Do you think he will be confident strait away to fill Wenger's boots ? I'm not sure about .
And Riijkard ? He inherited Barcelona and made us believe he was a top coach . By the way , where is he ? Why can't he prove it somewhere else before he takes charge of Arsenal ? I'm tempted to believe Barca was a one-off . Don't you see everyone managing Barcelona looks a good manager ? Question is : Is Barca making them look great or the managers making Barca great ? If so, why Barca are changing them ?
14-03-2012, 06:51 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Football changes with time mate . I doubt this is the time to give the job to an inexperienced manager at the Grove . When Wenger signed he was already a top manager even though he was unknown in England . He didi a great job at Monaco winning the league and tasted the old version of champions League as well . He gave to the japanese the legacy in football with Nagoya Grampus . He has started a great job at the Emirates . Let him finish it first . He will move on one day . Capello or Riijkard for Wenger ? Well Capello was a great manager with AC Milan but England just exposed him . Do you think he will be confident strait away to fill Wenger's boots ? I'm not sure about .
And Riijkard ? He inherited Barcelona and made us believe he was a top coach . By the way , where is he ? Why can't he prove it somewhere else before he takes charge of Arsenal ? I'm tempted to believe Barca was a one-off . Don't you see everyone managing Barcelona looks a good manager ? Question is : Is Barca making them look great or the managers making Barca great ? If so, why Barca are changing them ?

Put it this way if pep game here we'd still not be as good as barca in fact where ever he went they not be as good as Barca. Its the way the whole club is run and it will take ages to do it anywhere else.
14-03-2012, 06:59 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Put it this way if pep game here we'd still not be as good as barca in fact where ever he went they not be as good as Barca. Its the way the whole club is run and it will take ages to do it anywhere else.

Well obviously Pep wouldn't turn us or anyone else into Barca, that goes without saying. However to put his success down to the players does a disservice to him because Barca were not the side we see today under Rijkaard.
14-03-2012, 07:12 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Well obviously Pep wouldn't turn us or anyone else into Barca, that goes without saying. However to put his success down to the players does a disservice to him because Barca were not the side we see today under Rijkaard.

Too right and id never say it was not down to him, he has done wonders with them, but the way the club is run is a way most should be imo.
14-03-2012, 07:20 PM
Alpha

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Well obviously Pep wouldn't turn us or anyone else into Barca, that goes without saying. However to put his success down to the players does a disservice to him because Barca were not the side we see today under Rijkaard.

But you can't deny the quality of players make the job easy for any manager .Even Rednapp would win the the league , champions league , FA cup , Carling cup the same year with a team boasting players such as Messi , Fabregas , Iniesta , Xavi , David Villa ..etc..I think Barca have a very solid team . From the academy to the first team they are amazing and any manager would look world class .
14-03-2012, 07:23 PM
Syn

I'm not being funny - give me a squad with Messi, Iniesta and Xavi in and I'd fucking win the Champions League.

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