Summer Transfer Shit and Everything Else

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Honest question, are there any English players we have that you do like?

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Honest question, do we have many English players?

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Originally Posted by Letters

We'd certainly get a metric shit-ton of money for him because he's young, English and, despite your ridiculous trolling sincere opinions, extremely good.
But we'd need to replace him and that wouldn't be cheap or easy unlike your mum

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Ahh...the classic trolling accusation.

Look, man. As I've continually asked, which games has he been really good in? Just tell me a few. Surely it's easy, given how good he is?

The racist abuse he received was horrendous and no one should be subjected to that but the reality is that he was deified from that point and is immune from scrutiny, much less criticism which he consistently deserves.

But, 90% of fitba fans have no idea what they're seeing (having never kicked a baw) and are happy just to be carried along by the narrative. Fine, man. But fuck off with your trolling accusations, you stupid little cunt.

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by mandela8

Ahh...the classic trolling accusation.

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Ahh...the classic wide-eyed faux innocent "who me?" response.
You've spent years on here trolling fella.

I'm not going to cherry pick games, just looking at his overall stats you can see how effective he is.
And if he's as bad as you think he is it should be easy for you to find some other experts who share your view - not fans, as you rightly say many of them don't know what they're talking about.
Show us all these ex-players or coaches lining up to say how overrated he is.

It’s fair to be sickened by the love-in for him, even rival fans adore him. He appears to be a pretty grounded and humble kid which is great to see.

I don’t like how he’s become undroppable though, there’s no doubt he should have been rotated a lot more during the run-in.

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Originally Posted by mandela8

Ahh...the classic trolling accusation.

Look, man. As I've continually asked, which games has he been really good in? Just tell me a few. Surely it's easy, given how good he is?

The racist abuse he received was horrendous and no one should be subjected to that but the reality is that he was deified from that point and is immune from scrutiny, much less criticism which he consistently deserves.

But, 90% of fitba fans have no idea what they're seeing (having never kicked a baw) and are happy just to be carried along by the narrative. Fine, man. But fuck off with your trolling accusations, you stupid little cunt.

Cheers.

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No one seriously accused you of racism so don’t start that one…being Anti English isn’t racism, it’s just having a chip on your shoulder for no rational reason


It would be honestly easier to name the games he was terrible, I don’t know what you’re expecting from him but when he consistently terrorises full backs, is consistently our most useful attacking player…even when he’s not playing well he manages to keep the ball in play and players have to foul him to stop him in his tracks

I know you won’t respond to this but you’ll read it. If you don’t rate him fine, but when you’re clearly the only person I’ve ever heard from who thinks he is shit, talking to the rest of us like we’ve got two heads might just lead people to think you’re a troll.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

It’s fair to be sickened by the love-in for him, even rival fans adore him. He appears to be a pretty grounded and humble kid which is great to see.

I don’t like how he’s become undroppable though, there’s no doubt he should have been rotated a lot more during the run-in.

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Well yeah but we all agree about that here, we do think he gets overplayed and it would do him some good to drop him

Rab C Thickshit acts like we won’t hear a word against him

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Originally Posted by Chippy

Honest question, do we have many English players?

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In the first team squad?

Ramsdale, Holding (hopefully not too much longer), Rice (tba), Nelson, Smith Rowe, Nketiah and Saka

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Originally Posted by Letters

Ahh...the classic wide-eyed faux innocent "who me?" response.
You've spent years on here trolling fella.

I'm not going to cherry pick games, just looking at his overall stats you can see how effective he is.
And if he's as bad as you think he is it should be easy for you to find some other experts who share your view - not fans, as you rightly say many of them don't know what they're talking about.
Show us all these ex-players or coaches lining up to say how overrated he is.

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I've never trolled on fitba matters and not at all since I returned. Fuck sake, I don't even read or engage with people I've no time for. Just don't have the same interests as I did, what, 15 years ago.

As for the ex players or coaches point, he's been deified. No one will say anything negative towards him publicly. It's ridiculous. We've seen him being the worst player on the pitch and get man of the match multiple times, ffs.

Stats are for idiots who don't know what they're watching but his aren't great anyway, so bit of a weird point, tbh.

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Originally Posted by mandela8

As for the ex players or coaches point, he's been deified. No one will say anything negative towards him publicly.

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So, basically, most fans don’t know what they are talking about.
Ex-footballers or coaches do so I guess they all know he’s terrible but won’t say so because reasons.
Which leaves you standing alone, you’re one of the fans who does know what they’re talking about and you bravely say it while the others won’t or can’t.


Either that or you’re full of shit.

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We've seen him being the worst player on the pitch and get man of the match multiple times, ffs.

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Well, you’ve seen that. But this is where if you’re not trolling then you’re clearly deluded.
It’s why you come across as a troll.
If you think he’s overrated then ok, that’s a reasonable position which can be discussed.
But it’s such obvious bollox that Saka has played multiple games, stunk the place up and then been given MoTM because of some weird conspiracy to inflate his status in the game.

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Originally Posted by Letters

So, basically, most fans don’t know what they are talking about.
Ex-footballers or coaches do so I guess they all know he’s terrible but won’t say so because reasons.
Which leaves you standing alone, you’re one of the fans who does know what they’re talking about and you bravely say it while the others won’t or can’t.


Either that or you’re full of shit.


Well, you’ve seen that. But this is where if you’re not trolling then you’re clearly deluded.
It’s why you come across as a troll.
If you think he’s overrated then ok, that’s a reasonable position which can be discussed.
But it’s such obvious bollox that Saka has played multiple games, stunk the place up and then been given MoTM because of some weird conspiracy to inflate his status in the game.

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Most fans don't know what they're talking about, correct. I've used 90% as an approximation but it's probably higher.

I've already explained the reasons pundits/media see him as untouchable. You may dismiss those reasons if you want. That's you're prerogative.

Aye, i do know what I'm talking about, clearly.

Aye, I've seen him be the worst player on the pitch and be awarded multiple man of the matches. I've also seen him be awarded one "not for his performance but for the smile on his face", which I posted about at the time.

The media have a history of building people up, for whatever reasons. Saka is lucky to be benefitting from this.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

In the first team squad?

Ramsdale, Holding (hopefully not too much longer), Rice (tba), Nelson, Smith Rowe, Nketiah and Saka

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I thought Nketiah was Nigerian?

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Originally Posted by Chippy

I thought Nketiah was Nigerian?

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Nope

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Originally Posted by Letters

So, basically, most fans don’t know what they are talking about.
Ex-footballers or coaches do so I guess they all know he’s terrible but won’t say so because reasons.
Which leaves you standing alone, you’re one of the fans who does know what they’re talking about and you bravely say it while the others won’t or can’t.


Either that or you’re full of shit.


Well, you’ve seen that. But this is where if you’re not trolling then you’re clearly deluded.
It’s why you come across as a troll.
If you think he’s overrated then ok, that’s a reasonable position which can be discussed.
But it’s such obvious bollox that Saka has played multiple games, stunk the place up and then been given MoTM because of some weird conspiracy to inflate his status in the game.

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Why over complicate things?, the guy is both full of shit and a troll

I have no reason to believe his opinion about Saka is anything but genuine. In some ways I’m sympathetic, loads of people rated Ramsey even though he was terrible.

But Saka? I’m not really seeing what the issue is…reminds me of players like Thomas and Rocastle. Does he have a point that the media overhypes players…yes but a) there’s a difference between that and saying he’s shit and b) this stuff about him being awarded the man of the match when he was shit is just utter horse manure.

Where he’s a troll is where he claims that what he’s speaking is objective fact…and then brings in the childish insult (now I love childish insults more than most, but you can’t claim you’re engaging seriously when you do)

I find it tiresome with him. That and the god awful Scottish affectation. I know so many Scottish people and they neither speak or type with this “hoots mon” nonsense he puts on. Maybe it’s because he lives across the pond and he needs to reassert some kind of identity that he has lost in displacing himself.

Either way the guy’s a prick.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Nope

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Must have got confused with the name I guess :doh:

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...ving-paperwork

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West Ham have now signed the deal to sell captain Declan Rice after finally receiving paperwork from Arsenal.

The transfer was agreed eight days ago and the Hammers were becoming increasingly frustrated by the delay to complete the deal.

One insider told Sky Sports News: "I've never known anything like this saga".

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Stupid Sky, they could have at least mentioned my name... now I'll have to get the missus to do it :sulk: :satan:

Rice has posted his farewell video to West Ham, so this one is finally done.

West Ham also officially confirm he has left.

Come on Deccers

Shame, I was hoping this would drag out a bit more. Thoroughly enjoyed winding up West Ham fans

“Chill out guys…we will definitely get this deal done before the season starts, if you’re very lucky might even give you time to sign a replacement”

Just sold your star, to Mikel Arteta

I genuinely hate West Ham now, the way they conducted themselves over this transfer. They demanded an exorbitant fee (which they got) and a structure of payment that even City told them to go fuck themselves over (which they got) and then spent their time drumming their fingers impatiently because we took our time over the contract.

I sincerely hope that the contract contains a clause where in they become a repository for every inadequate shit player we want to get rid of, have to put in a mandatory minimum bid. We should definitely try to sell Holding to them.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I genuinely hate West Ham now, the way they conducted themselves over this transfer. They demanded an exorbitant fee (which they got) and a structure of payment that even City told them to go fuck themselves over (which they got) and then spent their time drumming their fingers impatiently because we took our time over the contract.

I sincerely hope that the contract contains a clause where in they become a repository for every inadequate shit player we want to get rid of, have to put in a mandatory minimum bid. We should definitely try to sell Holding to them.

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If you don't like the deal you should look at Arsenal not West Ham - we could have done a Citeh if we'd wanted - the only way people get away with behaviour like that is if they know there's someone desperate enough to buy the player because they've heavily committed to him publicly and now don't want to lose face by not getting them - if West Ham take advantage of that then they're only doing what any club should do and that's maximise the price they get for the player

https://youtu.be/FsKKiNxHB8k

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/1...kYBBpRqwg&s=19

No. 41 :haha:

What a man.

Let’s fugging go guys.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

https://youtu.be/FsKKiNxHB8k

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:lol: is this normal, or we just did it for the cameras?

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Originally Posted by Chippy

If he had joined Liverpool, he would have claimed that he was a life long Liverpool fan :rolleyes:
Fickle.com

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Actually no, he said he was an Arsenal fan a few years ago

MustTryHarder.com

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

It’s fair to be sickened by the love-in for him, even rival fans adore him. He appears to be a pretty grounded and humble kid which is great to see.

I don’t like how he’s become undroppable though, there’s no doubt he should have been rotated a lot more during the run-in.

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if you're talking about Saka I'm still convinced that Arteta didn't want to drop him for two reasons: 1) he felt like he could get a goal at any minute (even when he was worn out) but also 2) before he signed his new contract i think Arteta was too scared to drop him in case Saka (or his agent who was looking for a nice percentage from a new club) had their head turned by some other club promising he'd always be first on the team sheet

I'm hoping that now he has agreed a new contract and we have more options Arteta will rotate more but I'm still not convinced until I see it

with Timber on board, plus Nelson and maybe Tierney staying, plus Trossard and others, we should have some good selection alternatives and in particular a workable Plan B team we can field in certain matches like cup games and against more beatable PL opposition

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Originally Posted by Mac76

if you're talking about Saka I'm still convinced that Arteta didn't want to drop him for two reasons: 1) he felt like he could get a goal at any minute (even when he was worn out) but also 2) before he signed his new contract i think Arteta was too scared to drop him in case Saka (or his agent who was looking for a nice percentage from a new club) had their head turned by some other club promising he'd always be first on the team sheet

I'm hoping that now he has agreed a new contract and we have more options Arteta will rotate more but I'm still not convinced until I see it

with Timber on board, plus Nelson and maybe Tierney staying, plus Trossard and others, we should have some good selection alternatives and in particular a workable Plan B team we can field in certain matches like cup games and against more beatable PL opposition

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The squad, as it stands, is relatively fuckin brilliant, man. Compared to the last decade it's phenomenal. We lack a bit of quality in the 3 attacking positions, imho. We have good options and potential but not the same level we now have everywhere else on the pitch.

I think it's inevitable we'll sell a few and players like Tierney or Partey will be huge losses, but as it stands...great squad.

Realistic options to sell that don't overly weaken the squad are restricted to Elneny or Jorginho, White and Nketiah. I won't hear a word about my boy Holding being sold, obvs.

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Originally Posted by Mac76

If you don't like the deal you should look at Arsenal not West Ham - we could have done a Citeh if we'd wanted - the only way people get away with behaviour like that is if they know there's someone desperate enough to buy the player because they've heavily committed to him publicly and now don't want to lose face by not getting them - if West Ham take advantage of that then they're only doing what any club should do and that's maximise the price they get for the player

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It’s not the deal although I don’t like that, it’s them whinging about how long it took us to complete the deal and being leakier than your incontinent nan

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Originally Posted by mandela8

The squad, as it stands, is relatively fuckin brilliant, man. Compared to the last decade it's phenomenal. We lack a bit of quality in the 3 attacking positions, imho. We have good options and potential but not the same level we now have everywhere else on the pitch.

I think it's inevitable we'll sell a few and players like Tierney or Partey will be huge losses, but as it stands...great squad.

Realistic options to sell that don't overly weaken the squad are restricted to Elneny or Jorginho, White and Nketiah. I won't hear a word about my boy Holding being sold, obvs.

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We should sell Eddie, Holding, Suarez, Pepe, Tavares, Lokonga and IMO Zinchenko - though in that last case, sadly that's about as likely as your achieving your own dream result of our selling Saka :lol:

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Originally Posted by Mac76

We should sell Eddie, Holding, Suarez, Pepe, Tavares, Lokonga and IMO Zinchenko - though in that last case, sadly that's about as likely as your achieving your own dream result of our selling Saka :lol:

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Suarez?


Oh Cedric Soares. I think sell might be optimistic, but should get rid

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Originally Posted by Mac76

We should sell Eddie, Holding, Suarez, Pepe, Tavares, Lokonga and IMO Zinchenko - though in that last case, sadly that's about as likely as your achieving your own dream result of our selling Saka :lol:

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Aye, fair enough. Forgot about Taveres, Pepe and Cedric...and Lokonga. Zinchenko stays or needs to be replaced and I'd keep Holding because I love him.

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Originally Posted by mandela8

Aye, fair enough. Forgot about Taveres, Pepe and Cedric...and Lokonga. Zinchenko stays or needs to be replaced and I'd keep Holding because I love him.

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We can replace Zin with a good qualiry LB - if only we had one on our books but - hang on - we do! KT :)

Problem solved

Lots of rumours suggesting that Partey has agreed personal terms to go to Saudi Arabia, in many ways hope this isn’t true because I think the money we’ve been forced to pay up front for Rice means we probably wouldn’t be able to bring in someone like Caicedo or Tchouameni to replace him

Must say I do like how Rice carries himself. Seems like straight talker and a very relatable individual, so much more personality than the average footballer these days.

I think he meant welcome to our professional sports club, not family. It's not a family and he's not their dad. We had enough of that already.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I think he meant welcome to our professional sports club, not family. It's not a family and he's not their dad. We had enough of that already.

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For me not enough coaches are like Terence Fletcher

Absolutely wouldn’t improve the performance but would be funny

It seems to me that sometime soon, Kane will be going to Germany.

I wanted him to stay and leave for free next summer.

Its a good deal for Spuds because if he signs a 4 year contract then he won't be playing for an English club for a while, but if they let him leave for free, he can sign for who he wants.

I knew Levy wouldn't allow him to leave for free.

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Originally Posted by dostoy

It seems to me that sometime soon, Kane will be going to Germany.

I wanted him to stay and leave for free next summer.

Its a good deal for Spuds because if he signs a 4 year contract then he won't be playing for an English club for a while, but if they let him leave for free, he can sign for who he wants.

I knew Levy wouldn't allow him to leave for free.

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Would be absolutely stupid and even if he was prepared to, he’d be overruled by others on the ENIC board surely

If they get for him near on what we paid for Rice that would be excellent business for them as long as it’s reinvested wisely

I have to say I actually like Kane as a person, not the sharpest tool in the shed but seems like a genuine bloke and if he’d wanted he could have really made a genuine stink about not being sold before now. But he hasn’t and I respect that

Been a good player for England too