By all accounts today Guardiola has told Rossell to stop pissing around ( my choice of words ) and get Cesc because pre season is coming and he wants to prepare.
I get the feeling everyone is tired.
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By all accounts today Guardiola has told Rossell to stop pissing around ( my choice of words ) and get Cesc because pre season is coming and he wants to prepare.
I get the feeling everyone is tired.
They don't, all they did was bid knowing he'd go to madrid anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Boss
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...t-talk?cc=4716Quote:
Valencia starlet Juan Mata has played down rumours he could be on his way out of the club.
Mata, 23, has been linked with a number of clubs in La Liga and the Premier League including Barcelona, Real Madrid, Arsenal and Liverpool.
Reports in the Daily Mail and The Sun on Monday even claimed that Arsenal have already made an £18 million bid for the player, but Valencia have indicated that no written offer has been received and that they are not looking to part with the Spain Under-21 winger.
Given the club's financial position, it remains to be seen whether they would resist a more substantial bid, but Mata has now said that he is keen to stay if needed.
"I want to win a trophy with Valencia next season," Mata told SuperDeporte. "I've not planned anything different as I've a contract until 2015."
Guess that's not happening then.
When you have FIFAs, UEFAs and the Spanish FAs money at your disposal, its very likely they have money. They just don't want to pay £40m+ for Cesc cos they believe he's their player already and we stole him from them when he was a kid.
There clearly is a sense of embitterment and a desire to settle a perceived slight. Quite frankly we should not indulge their behavior. I would certainly support Arsenal if they were prepared to let Cesc sit on our bench rather than theirs if Barca do not stump up reasonable funds for Fabregas.
Agreed, it's a a mile wide, Barca are out to even up a score. This was the season where we were supposed to be cutting the deadwood and bringing in some quality. So far what do we have? A kid comes in and our captain and one of the best players in the world is on the way out. Yeah there's time for things to change, like we could buy a few untested foreigners. That policy worked well last year, didn't it? What's the enduring image of last season? Our untested foreigner getting a slap on the head as a kid who's standing in for the keeper Wenger wouldn't sign for an extra £2M picks the ball out of the next having just disintegrated under the pressure of a cup final. So how does Wenger react? Obvious really, he reduces the quality in the side. Of course Cesc should just be told he has a contract so get on with it. But uncle Wenger doesn't want to upset his children.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
He better be buying Cahill and Samba. He better at least get that fucking right.
Dude, I can see your frustration, I really can. And in certain parts of what you post, I wholeheartedly agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
But I still disagree that selling Cesc is the worst thing we can do. Far from it. Whilst he's a fucking amazing footballer, there are bigger priorities that just one man. It is a team ethic we are missing. A backbone, a shape and an ability to see a match through.
I understand that you feel that it's a backward step by letting Cesc go. But I see it as a forward step, because we've relied on one player for too long, and built a team around one player for too long....and this clearly hasn't worked.
His replacement / squad additions may not be as good as him (fuck me, not many players are), but they, hopefully, will form the basis of a team. Not a bunch of players who are in positions to suit Fabregas' game style.
This is Wengers problem imho. One which has pissed me off this last year, as I had hope he would build a team, with a team work ethic, that functions as a team all over the pitch....not just in the whole in front of the opposing teams line of ten.
I'm not for one minute suggesting that Wenger will lose the pig-headed idiotic nature he's made himself over the last few years, which is why he should get the boot....but as we're stuck with the cunt, we need to at least consider the possibility that he may make a team out of this lot + addidtions, cesc or no cesc.
Absolutely agree. When you dig right down Wenger is the problem. If the whole team revolves around Fabregas, that's Wenger's fault. We shouldn't have to sacrifice a top player just because the manager is so shit he can't build a team out of what we have. I accept Wenger is staying, it looks like no amount of failure can shift the guy - no matter how humiliating it all gets. He has a license to fail, a rare thing indeed in football. But he's staying and that's that. It's just very frustrating to watch him do even more damage. Why can't he just go on holiday and stay well clear of the club? At least that way we wouldn't lose out over the summer. In fact why doesn't he go on extended holiday and not come back until next summer? Does anyone else think we'd win more if Wenger WASN'T at the match or on the training ground and we just let the players sort themselves out? I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
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Originally Posted by Boss
And we have Cesc saying he has no plans to move and wants to win a trophy with the Arsenal next season and he has a contract for 4 more years. Does that mean he is not moving either?Quote:
Valencia starlet Juan Mata has played down rumours he could be on his way out of the club.
Mata, 23, has been linked with a number of clubs in La Liga and the Premier League including Barcelona, Real Madrid, Arsenal and Liverpool.
Reports in the Daily Mail and The Sun on Monday even claimed that Arsenal have already made an £18 million bid for the player, but Valencia have indicated that no written offer has been received and that they are not looking to part with the Spain Under-21 winger.
Given the club's financial position, it remains to be seen whether they would resist a more substantial bid, but Mata has now said that he is keen to stay if needed.
"I want to win a trophy with Valencia next season," Mata told SuperDeporte. "I've not planned anything different as I've a contract until 2015."
Effectively, Mata has said publicly the same things that Cesc is saying. Mata is behaving correctly with his current employers and that is a good thing. If we buy him, I expect he will show the same correct behaviour towards us.
I know it's embarrassing, but I don't think I can be too critical in terms of the personel he's brought in.
Yes, squillacci wasn't a resounding success. Silvestre was an awful purchase etc. And this was down to penny-pinching, and a risk.
I think Wenger knows what the best players are. Who is world class etc, but is either too frugal, or too restricted to do much about that in competition with your City's and your Chelsea's.
If you look at it properly, we all know that the team we had out last year was capable of winning the league, and most certainly the joke cup. So, to have got to that position, on the edge of winning something, they can't be that fucking awful. And these are players bought from nowhere...lest we forget Cesc was unknown. So we can't criticise him for buying "nobodys" because in a lot of cases they have worked. And were cheap.
What we can criticise him for is:
i) Not coaching a defence properly (sorry by Kos is better than many prem CB's who are all able to defend, we're just not schooled by coaches to position oursleves correctly)
ii) Letting a, sometimes arrogant, sometimes lazy, sometimes fightened, sometimes noncelent attitude manifest itself in the squad
iii) Not taking the extra step to ensure we have the quality when it comes to crunch time. Namely in the Jan transfer window.
iv) Not paying respect to inferior teams and the tactics they will use, and adapting to combat that
v) Not being ruthless enough when it comes to an underperforming player (Almunia, Denilson, Eboue, Diaby etc)
None of this takes money, aside from strengthening in January.
All it is, is being able to stomach, that PART philosophy isn't working. And that, that PART of his philosophy needs to change. And THAT is where we're failing. Not in the transfer market, imho.