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Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
meh lazy and forcedQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yeah but enough about OzilQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Wenger is so arrogant, it's mind-blowing sometimes. He honestly speaks as if everything is fine and nothing needs to change, it beggars belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Those quotes do kind of confirm that there is some sort of power struggle going on between Wenger and Gazidis.
Because everything is fine and nothing needs to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Everybody has an opinion but what's important is results, and results are not great but if we miss out on the top 4 it will be the first time ever under me, and if you listen to Pep Guardiola you will realise that finishing top 4 is not as easy as everyone thinks it is
We will need to finish outside the champions league for at least ten years before you can start to question me, and even then the board don't set me targets i finish as high as i can. And with financial doping, i have massively over achieved
The quotes confirm that Wenger will never be part of a solution. "He does not even see the problem"
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
This is why it's impossible for us to ever kick on with him in charge. In his eyes, he is doing an exceptional job.
Magic Mirror on the wall, who is little bit best manager of them all?
Quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
He basically sets his own targets, he said as much in a quote I read in the Evening Standard yesterday. His target is to finish has high as up the table as possible, he has no targets set from those above him, those were his direct quotes!
He is basically a law to himself, he sets his own targets and decides whether he should be the manager or not....the whole thing is one big sham, it's a complete mess!
I think for the first time we're seeing the board distance themselves a bit from the manager.
Someone needs to take charge.
I'll do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Someone rational.
I'll do it.
Someone with a half decent face.
Fine...
:getcoat:
I'm doing it
Stan Kroenke is just a front for a shell corporation owned by me
Enjoy the football dicks :d
Somebody who is not fat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Yeah i'm fat alright, fat off the share values of the clubQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
What's a football dick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Commas :bow:
Grammar :bow:
Is it still right to assume a deals on the table but we're waiting for Wenger to sign? We've now heard from Gazidis and Sir Chips that it's a mutual decision. Gazidis has talked about a change, the press have been running with stories about staff shake ups with coaches leaving and a director of football being introduced but Wenger seems pretty rejected such ideas. Also, prior to his recent statement, Gazidis said Arsene Wenger is not Arsenal, along the same lines of the slogan of 'Arsenal FC not Arsene FC'. Somethings going on in the background. Really not sure about this talk of a deal being on the table otherwise Wenger would just sign. It's quite clear he doesn't give a damn about the negative atmosphere surrounding the club.
They were all the same during the knife fights over the shares. Them first, them second, fuck the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeNDzbFv2f8
Hard to say, a deal was on the table three years ago and Wenger did not sign it right up until the final moment, whether he'd have signed on anyway without top 4 or the fa cup hard to say (he seemed to suggest he would have walked away but then his current statements appear to contradict this).
Although if i remember correctly did not the club openly admit a deal was there for Wenger to sign?
Gazidis' comments seemed to suggest no deal was currently waiting to be signed, but realistically i tend to think if there was going to be any outcome other than him staying the wheels would already be in motion (which maybe they would, but it's hard to believe the media would have absolutely no idea of it going on).
But then again, this club with a total vacuum at the top....who knows what's actually going on. The depressing thing is it's unlikely Wenger would have come out what he did if he was not confident he would have the backing of the majority share holder, so again educated guess only that he's throwing Gazidis' words back in his face.
It is apparent that Wenger cares more about himself than the club. If not an amicable solution would be to kick him upstairs and bring another in. What faith can we have in him re vamping the club when he has failed for so many years. Due to his ego he has totally failed to embrace modern tactics. I genuinely believe he does not think he is in anyway to blame.
Unfortunately that wouldnt work with Wenger. He thrives, nay craves the daily tactile machinations of running a football club. Hundreds of staff treating him deferentially and harkening to his every word. The bantz with the media. He would be a lousy DOF. He himself would probably agree. He needs to leave amicably or bruisingly. Its the only way the club can progress in this decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodders
I agree I think all this means he is staying, if he was going to leave it would be announced and some planning would be going on and the media would know about it. Also if he said he was leaving then I think performances would actually pick up, the fans would celebrate the achievements he has made over the years and I do think there would be a more positive atmosphere around the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Uncertainty helps no one.
I dont think Gazidis will be around come this summer. Just my feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Same here. Was just thinking that this morning. In that world your reputation (deserved or mythical) is super important for the next role as you move up the ladder. If Wenger stays and nothing of real importance changes, Ivan will be shown to be a lame duck if he sits there and accepts it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermind84
yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I think its either Wenger or Gazidis at this point, and Kroenke will keep Wenger around.
Of course Gazdis is getting turfed, his role at the club is completely diluted by Wenger. He's easily expendable.
Yep, I think Gazidis is being kicked into touch. His comments the other day were his first publically since the Arsene FC comment he came out with in October 2016, he has had zero backing from Sir Chips and Silent Stan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Gazidis is a Goner IMO.
Gazidis wants change and rightly so but Wenger is digging his heels in. There will only be one winner, Wenger wouldn't be so brazen and arrogant if he knew he didn't have the backing.
Watch this one, Starts off, ho hum, then hmmmmmm, the a grin that just gets bigger and bigger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlDMqelALIw
Btw, Wenger, those last 4. THAT'S the standard. K?
That's the problem, there's no doubt even in the last ten years even if trophies have been lean pickings the football and goals up until the last few years has been good....I don't think any Arsenal fans wants to feel the resentment and emnity towards Wenger because there has been so much to enjoy about his tenure as manager even if it has gone on far too long now.
Watching Henry and Bergkamp especially have been the greatest privileges as a football fan.
I just want him to go so he can be remembered for bringing us that, not the poison and toxicity
Eduardo would have been brilliant for us. If not for a loathsome butcher. He had a lot of class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
That ship has sailed for a lot of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I know I've seen the golden age of Arsenal football which was delivered by the team Wenger put together. It really was a privilege to witness first hand.
But even, with those memories, the longer this drags on, the more those memories are replaced by animosity at how he is dragging us rudderless into an abyss.
He is singlehandedly pushing a lot of fans away from the Club.
This has to stop. But it probably won't.
The ship sailed, sank, was re-floated and towed back to port. Then the fucker rigged up a cheap outboard engine, hired Sanogo as first mate and drifted out into the nearest storm he could find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
Was quite surprised Anelka only bagged 28 goals. Was also shocked Lord Nick wasn't in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
He's not that kind of loathsome butcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0dtmhEUCYYQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn